seems that Catalans already splitted from Spain, regardless of referendum results
 

Idiots from Spanish government seem to not know that violence leads to more violence and strong actions leads to even bigger contrmeasures, especially in dedicated souls...

I'm not pro catalan independence, I think that they are being played by their local politicans that want to steal even more (than Rajoy and his crew does:winkwink::winkwink: ), but how the Madrid plays this issue is a classic example HOW THEY SHOULDN'T DO IT.
Also, I think that Catalunyan independence would be bad, both for average Catalans and Spain of course (maybe only rich catalans will get better). But in the days like today, Catalans received just more moral power to their cause and regardless of the referendum result (and if it it will even succeed), their independence cause only got stronger.

You didn't write that referendum is Putin's plot? Strange

Videos like this surely won't help the Spanish government..
https://twitter.com/JaumeCarballo/st...23969566138368

One thing is sure, they will get independence only with war. But what i learned how independence is relative anyway, as in the end there will be always politicians which will steal your money.

https://twitter.com/alextortsagues/s...668673/video/1
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/914410345120325632

I did not, although I'm aware that disinformation, manipulation that leads to DIVIDE of nations and countries is very useful tactic, not only of Russia's FSB, GRU and their foreign policy as a whole :winkwink::winkwink:
but they seem to mastered it really well - 80 years of KGB experience were really useful

and as for Spain - well I wish all parties good luck. but Madrid's actions will only lead to more pro independepent thinking, not less.

And I'm pretty sure thats the case at the beginning here - local catalan bonzos stir up things to steal more and better than current Rajoy government. which seem to be actually really hard task lol, as Rajoy is well known to be a really crooked status quo corrupted politician over there:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

...and let's not forget about things like cutting off Internet access to voting points, taking the voting cards or blocking the access to voting points...
Also, a ride of the .cat domain registrars and local internet company....all days and weeks before in September
typical LOL actions of the government that seems to live in XIX century, so typical for this country :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

yes we all know that. I made a poo today, saw Soros in my toilet. Later went to the street and met Elvis & Hitler, they are still alive !

cut off the bullshit please, its really retarded:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

We can pretend it is Mr Putin if that makes you feel more comfortable, but we'll have to make sure we don't research it, so please don't click the link below

George Soros is funding the independence of Catalonia

The government is doing right, they have moved people from sitting in the street creating blockades to oncoming traffic. Some people have just forgot not fuck with the Spanish police. That´s why all ISIS were caught and shot the other week.

Spain´s a strong country & shall remain strong. The dividers, anyone wanting division, they got it in the UK because the government was weak and continued the lunacy, here in Spain.
Hopefully it will be different & people ignorant to dialect or politics trying to divide the country shall have to deal with this. Again, hopefully this will be over shortly, shorter time than the riots or carnivorous behavior of the US & UK riots.

UK do right, Spain wrong

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wp-...y-peace-no.png

how about PUTIN, comrade ?
is he like that Russian bird of hope and democracy that shines deep in your mind ?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/kgba...?cb=1437741439

Well it's official...90% voted they want out, I expect the UN to go all bleeding heart over Catalonian independence...let the double standards begin...

well, the referendum wasnt legal....even 1/3 of catalunyan parliament walked away when their voted act of referendum...and those who voted that even didnt have 2/3 majority...

the right to self determination can not be taken away or made illegal...I am not hoping for war and conflicts...I am just hoping for the UN to go all double standard :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

well true. However this issue is played by catalonian big fishes and idiots like PP gov...
regardless of the outcome of the yesterday's referendum, Madrid behaved like it would want to lose Catalunya forever..idiots

as for the differences between that and Kosovo - here it is all about money and more local freedom, while in Kosovo it was more about life of opressed people...see any difference :) ?
although Spanish gov behave in exactly stupid way like Yugo/Serb gov did..violence will lead them nowhere

it is always about money and politicians and never about the people...

kosovo is a bad example because now that they are suddenly not "oppressed" they are not booming in population like before but leaving kosovo at 5%/year LOL...croats will be 1/4 gone in like 14 years...

its never really about the people...

as for madrid, the best thing they could have done is just let them have the vote and ask them nicely to stay in the country with them regardless of the outcome...they fucked up now...

...especially that thet result could be NO...

I dont recognize current vote as valid, too big mess, police was doing everything that it could to disrupt it - so no internet connection, no time to verify voters, and frequency less than 50 %... hard to say it was valid at all..
local hard heads are resposible for the current mess, just like the other hard heads from Madrid....Anyway, if catalunya would leave Spain that would be a HUGE blow to Spain...one of the richest provincies...and we have also Pais Vasco, maybe Galicia(prolly not)....

even if they would allow the vote, and the result would be YES, the road to real independence would be still really long..imagine all these obstacles: 50 % of population actually undecided or against it, lots of companies that are based on Spanish capital, lots of infrastrcuture built...yet these idiots from catalunya gov say that they would shout for independecy in 48 hours lol...

spesial for you - фйычщджэюям :1orglaugh
http://severpost.ru/docs/upload/1405754389.jpg

????????? already drunk ?????

I have a special mental exercise for you...Imagine, that.
1. uaz is like Russia under Putin
2. train is the reality
3. guys shouting PIZDA are like greek choir from greek tragedy :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



COMRADE, lets shoout PIZDA together !!! PIZDA, PIZDA !!!!!!

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If England was to get an independence referendum it would break free of the dead weight overnight.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh, I guess its a 2X4 NOW :Graucho

:thumbsup exactly... and besides, Catalan keep speaking about Franco, not that the past should be to do with the future, however, Asturians should feel more against Spanish government, but they deal with it and appreciate the future. As one as Spain.

what dead weight? The 20% of voters? on the dole, unemployed and thieves, the same 20% of the 55% that voted to leave the EU?

figures not exact, just the POV :2 cents:

I never heard of Catalans until Friday.... I know all about the Basque, but never heard of Catalans.

Spain govt really fucked that shit up bad. Going heavy hand over something like that is the sure way to force a split..

A EU member from Spain knows what happened.
The Nazi's want to split the country and Russia helping them.
And some people think that politicans are smart and know better.

Vice President of the EU, having a meltdwon.

https://uploads.gscdn.nl/uploads/648...akantelaar.png

if they would let them do this referendum there would not be a majority for the split.

in the 2014 poll, 80% of voters voted for independence, but only 30% of the electorate voted.

various polls from different media came on a result between 35 and 40% for the independance.

the conservative right winger rajoy changed that now with his brutal act and I am pretty sure that 80% want to be independent now.

no matter if this idea of Independence is smart or not - no matter if the votes would be legit or not - this don´t give them the right to act like that.

it is not forbidden to make a vote no matter if the result can be legally enforced. what they have done here is pure human contempt and brings a new Basque uprising to spain.

I hope the violence ends soon