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Thinking about moving away from CCBill to Epoch

09-07-2017, 10:43 AM

Am I alone in this, or is anyone else thinking of the moving away from CCBIll?

Please give me your opinions, advice, or experiences.

The problems I am having are:

1) I started a split to pay a model for one of my sub accounts. During the approval process for the split, they did a review of the sub account. They found fees from chargebacks dating back to 2008. This particular sub account was approximately $300 in the negative.

After several emails, I was informed that the CCBill development dept. had found fees on "more than one sub account" now. I don't like to be in debt, I wanted to know the amount and for what sub accounts. I got nothing.

Then, just yesterday... a month and half later. I persisted again and got an answer of, just disregard all of this. You will not see any fees. I feel like there could be pockets of money here and there, that have just went poof.

2) I have no account rep.

3) Admin is almost intolerable. It's slow, works in Google Chrome sometimes, works in Firefox all of the time... but I do not like Firefox.

4) The main ccbill.com site is not even HTML5.

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09-07-2017, 10:58 AM

Another thing about ccbill is that on slightly older systems, they are unreachable as a security breach. I am on a iMac thats from 2010. I am using the latest version of chrome that my imac can run, but when I try to goto ccbill I get this...

Now we know that its usually older people that actually pay for porn, and older people will probably have older computers as they are less interested in gaming or 'The Latest Thing'...

So how many people cannot get to a ccbill join page? Can get to epoch, verotel even zombaio perfectly fine - Just not ccBill...

Just my observation...

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09-07-2017, 11:00 AM

This is insane Sir!
How many years have you been without a rep?
Hit up paulk at ccbill dot com, he's helped us over 7 years.

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09-07-2017, 11:00 AM

How many affiliates do you have and how much of your sales are they pulling in?

if affiliate sales are a considerable part of your business, I would at the very least have that discussion with your top ten affiliates in like a closed group email or something.

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09-07-2017, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Adraco

How many affiliates do you have and how much of your sales are they pulling in?

if affiliate sales are a considerable part of your business, I would at the very least have that discussion with your top ten affiliates in like a closed group email or something.

I have 15,000 active affiliates according to CCBill. But I would venture to say, that number is not even close.

Affiliate sales this year are 17.464788732394364% of my gross revenue.

That sounds smart, talk to the top affiliates. I could also write some code that shows ccbill links to cookied traffic also.

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09-07-2017, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by RyuLion

This is insane Sir!
How many years have you been without a rep?
Hit up paulk at ccbill dot com, he's helped us over 7 years.

It's been around 6 months or so.

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09-07-2017, 11:46 AM

Verotel is pretty good, Epoch doesn't have an affiliate side anymore

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09-07-2017, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by wehateporn

Verotel is pretty good, Epoch doesn't have an affiliate side anymore

I wonder how long ccbill will support affiates. The banks and money laundering laws are putting the squeeze on money flows, no?

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09-07-2017, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by phil-flash

I wonder how long ccbill will support affiates. The banks and money laundering laws are putting the squeeze on money flows, no?

I am not optimistic about this long term

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09-07-2017, 12:06 PM

Was there a big shock when Epoch stopped supporting affiliates? Didnt a lot of ppl get pissed?

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09-07-2017, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by phil-flash

Was there a big shock when Epoch stopped supporting affiliates? Didnt a lot of ppl get pissed?

Lost about 1k per month here, but I didn't hear many others too upset

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09-07-2017, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by phil-flash

Am I alone in this, or is anyone else thinking of the moving away from CCBIll?

you lose about 50% of sales due to ccbill declines (they have very heavy scrub)

get your own merchant account
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09-07-2017, 01:04 PM

Whatever you do, please make sure affiliates can still promote you.

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09-07-2017, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by mechanicvirus

Whatever you do, please make sure affiliates can still promote you.

ha! Thanks for that

Don't worry, I won't do anything silly.

BTW, my number was wrong, it was only half. Affiliates are doing 34% of sales...

THANKS MECHANICVIRUS, as you are big part of that

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09-07-2017, 02:33 PM

For Epoch you will need tracking software like NATS.
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09-07-2017, 04:05 PM

While it's true we no longer offer a payment program for affiliates, we do track all information on affiliate sales and can pass that data to you. And, we accept many more payment options than you would be able to with your own merchant account.

If you have any questions for us, please feel free to contact me directly or write to [email protected].

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09-07-2017, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Rand

While it's true we no longer offer a payment program for affiliates, we do track all information on affiliate sales and can pass that data to you. And, we accept many more payment options than you would be able to with your own merchant account.

If you have any questions for us, please feel free to contact me directly or write to [email protected].

Just hit you up on ICQ, thanks.

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09-07-2017, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by mechanicvirus

Just hit you up on ICQ, thanks.

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09-07-2017, 06:30 PM

let us know what you decide to do!

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09-07-2017, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by phil-flash

ha! Thanks for that

Don't worry, I won't do anything silly.

BTW, my number was wrong, it was only half. Affiliates are doing 34% of sales...

THANKS MECHANICVIRUS, as you are big part of that

Glad to hear, you're my top 5 sponsor from ccbill of all time, so yay to both of us making money off tiffany teen. (btw, just put up some of her gifs).

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09-07-2017, 10:42 PM

epoch is great at sales and promotion and kissing industry ass, bad for clients. their tech is from the 90s. they never thought to improve the client experience. every install is a nightmare. its the only biller install we have to charge for because they can take weeks or months.

on the other side of the coin, Verotel installs are done and approved in a few hours.

personal opinion of someone who does a lot of biller installs every month.

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09-08-2017, 12:13 AM

In my experience, CCBill and Epoch both have their own pluses and you can keep your affiliate tour for CCBill and just make a duplicate for Epoch if you want to try it out. I use both.

Also, in my experience, Verotel do not pay, but your mileage may vary.

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09-08-2017, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Rand

While it's true we no longer offer a payment program for affiliates, we do track all information on affiliate sales and can pass that data to you.

I doubt many affiliates would sign up, once sponsors have the money many are reluctant to lose it, sponsors have excuses ready to avoid paying affiliates. When I reached out to Epoch about it, you guys said there was nothing you could do to ensure the sponsor paid me what was owed, it was a big hit I took. Thanks for the good times, but now affiliates should stay clear of Epoch with the current setup, as it leaves them far too vulnerable to having their hard work count for nothing.

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09-08-2017, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by phil-flash

I have 15,000 active affiliates according to CCBill. But I would venture to say, that number is not even close.

Affiliate sales this year are 17.464788732394364% of my gross revenue.

That sounds smart, talk to the top affiliates. I could also write some code that shows ccbill links to cookied traffic also.

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09-08-2017, 07:23 AM

Even with all the CCBill problems, they convert a LOT better than Epoch.

I suggest you to don't move from CCBill.
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09-08-2017, 09:40 AM

A very good move CCbill sucks big time

...and WTF it is all about converting? Converting what ? Nobody is making and processing content??? What a den of thieves this place is...or what am I missing?

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09-08-2017, 09:43 AM

Both CCbill and Epoch = 3rd party processors that control how many of your sales they let through. They have very heavy scrub setup, so you're losing up to 50% of your sales.

Get your own merchant account and your own setup that you have full control over.
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09-08-2017, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Google Expert

Both CCbill and Epoch = 3rd party processors that control how many of your sales they let through. They have very heavy scrub setup, so you're losing up to 50% of your sales.

Get your own merchant account and your own setup that you have full control over.

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09-09-2017, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Google Expert

Both CCbill and Epoch = 3rd party processors that control how many of your sales they let through. They have very heavy scrub setup, so you're losing up to 50% of your sales.

Get your own merchant account and your own setup that you have full control over.

So

1) find a friendly bank willing to do adult
2) convince visa and MC that you are all up an up
3) hire additional programmers to keep you hacker proof ( if that is possible)

....or what am I not getting here ??

BTW: the outfits providing merchant accounts are here today gone tomorrow, most of them ate cowboys from Belize,Malta etc....
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09-09-2017, 08:03 AM

Instead to make things more easily for business, Epoch and CCbill are ruining it with every new month. Why would anyway go to the company that just fucked up so many affiliates by discontinuing affiliate program?

And the CCbill is the separate story. Most of the sales are N/A ( can't track where from they are coming), increased price of wire transfers, admin section from 17th century....

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09-09-2017, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by femdomdestiny

Instead to make things more easily for business, Epoch and CCbill are ruining it with every new month. Why would anyway go to the company that just fucked up so many affiliates by discontinuing affiliate program?

And the CCbill is the separate story. Most of the sales are N/A ( can't track where from they are coming), increased price of wire transfers, admin section from 17th century....

OK but what about those of us who actually make and sell new content and not playing tricks with affilaite recycling, gaming,VR scams,dating scams, cam scams etc....

..are there any of us left ??
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09-09-2017, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by celandina

So

1) find a friendly bank willing to do adult
2) convince visa and MC that you are all up an up
3) hire additional programmers to keep you hacker proof ( if that is possible)

....or what am I not getting here ??

Get in contact with Mitch from NetBilling and they will hook you up with everything.

Downside is you will have to install some affiliate program script like NATS or MPA3
And do payouts by hand (Paxum / Bank Wire / Payoneer)

If you have good volume (50-100+ sales/day), this is the way to go.
If you're small time, then don't bother, just wait till you get pushed out of business completely. It's not like you're making any decent money anyway.
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09-10-2017, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Google Expert

Get in contact with Mitch from NetBilling and they will hook you up with everything.

Downside is you will have to install some affiliate program script like NATS or MPA3
And do payouts by hand (Paxum / Bank Wire / Payoneer)

If you have good volume (50-100+ sales/day), this is the way to go.
If you're small time, then don't bother, just wait till you get pushed out of business completely. It's not like you're making any decent money anyway.

100 three dollar sales a day does not cut it for me. I make my money by selling new and original video content one (or more) at a time, Penny pinching membership fees or scamming affiliates to make 10 K a month is not my gig. I do much better without NATS,NUTS or other "promotional" tools.
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