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Up until now, I didn't think 12-clicks was worth the time of day. That is, until last week, when I decided to check out his AllClicks program at Standard Internet. Since clicking on the AllClicks Blind Link he provides to affiliates, the following has happened:

a) A popup window stays resident on my computer. Every so often, it pops up a new window.
b) Any pages that can't be found redirect me to hitpointer.com and then an additional popup window...which all strangely enough have links on the pages which are ALL directed at other Standard Internet products. Searchtraffic, their cellular phone service, and on and on.

So, chances are pretty darn good that these annoyances were spawned from the original Standard Internet AllClicks product.

I have tried to remove this scumware using various software solutions, all to no avail. So, since this won't work, I have gone the next step... I have launched an official complaint with the FTC and the FCC. It seems that they might be interested in a company, which 12-clicks himself alludes to having an incredible marketshare, hijacking the browsers of 1,000's upon 1,000's of unwary consumers. Luckily, while in the adult industry there is a certain grey area as to what is legal and what is not, the law regarding browser hijacking has been tested and this type of practice is in fact illegal.

Have you had a similar experience: file a complaint here:

www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaintfiling.html
www.ftc.gov/ftc/complaint.htm

You're not the only one..

http://www.computing.net/security/ww...orum/4713.html

Hey at least you didn't send them traffic then get accused of running a hitbot...

I just had a hardworking (it's Sunday) IT colleague test this out from his computer at his office. He was able to break this down further.

The first link goes to hitpointer.com, which then redirects to textlinks.com (another Standard Internet domain) and then finally to the page with all of the Standard Internet search links and services.

To make things more interesting, my colleague heads the IT department at our municipal government. He too is now filing a formal complaint. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would assume that a local government issuing a complaint to a Federal government department may just cause a few waves.

Again, I would recommend that if you have experienced a similar issue, submit a formal complaint to:

www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaintfiling.html
www.ftc.gov/ftc/complaint.htm

youve been served

Interresting, to say the least...

still didnt answer the question roosty.

did you actually see Bowling For Columbine or Roger and ME?

Not that i could give a crap, but you should really think about removing those links.

I'm playing devils advocate here but....
You may be pissed, and rightfully so, but asking users of GFY to report another to the federal governernernernment is slightly beyond the bounds of good forum etiqutte. Would you want someone doing the same to you?

Early DVD winner prediction.

They're prop fixing their sites now. after the heat is gone they'll be back to the old ways again. :(

now my browser is the shit.

where are you living now?

Can't believe I am agreeing with mrPopup. I will add.... It is also a bit low to post accusations like this in the middle of a long weekend. If it was against me it wouldn't matter much, because I am around most of the time anyway, my business is home-based. But Ron is an office guy, and it is common knowledge that guys like him are usually monday to friday type guys. Usually. He may pop in here today, maybe not, but it's pretty low to pull this on a holiday.

China

Lookie Lookie we be on the same level for once.

I cant have that, it just doesn't feel right....hmmmm......

I got it... :321GFY

My intent is not to give Ron a forum to defend himself... I for one do not believe that this type of practice is ethical, and a man to man talk on the forum will not make the alleged practices right.

And, he talks highly of himself and his company on this board, and is quick to call many others cheaters, without a shred of proof. This type of practice is far from the "above board" actions that I would expect from a company which so viciously attacks others.

If you really want this post to die, simply do not respond any further...and it will quickly be buried in the depths of the board, never to be seen again.

I have never once seen him or his company "viciously attack" anyone. I have seen him answer the posts of others who are viciously attacking him, but not the other way around. When he has chosen to "bite back", he seems to have some fairly irrefutable proof of what he says, as far as cheaters go.


Keep it factual at least. Where are these posts where he has initiated vicious attacks?




And there are two sides to every story, regardless of what you think. You've made a public accusation here, in the middle of a long weekend. There certainly IS room for a rebuttal, and anyone blindly going to your posted links and lodging a complaint before hearing one should be flogged like a ratfaced weasel. Everyone has a right to have a say in their defence.

mexico.

:drinkup

Cheers.....

No, I said if anyone else has experienced the same browser hijacking, then file a complaint. Do not "blindly" file a complaint, if you have not experienced the same.

And, in this case, as outlined in my first 2 posts, I believe that I too have "some fairly irrefutable proof ". My browser has been hijacked...all links on the hijacked pages (and at least one of the domains in the redirect chain) return directly to Standard Internet products. The ONLY blind lnk program I have visited in the last month is AllClicks by Standard Internet. The browser hijacking occured IMMEDIATELY after visiting SI's link.

I agree that perhaps I should have let the 2 complaints now lodged by myself and my colleague take due course...but I certainly do not apologize for pushing ahead with my formal complaints.

Oh no, the big bad 49th is complaining to the FTC about Ron.

I'd be shitting in my pants if I were him...

I hate nobodies that have the ability to take down large corporations because they arent intelligent enough to remove said spyware.

:ak47:

Why did you post the same thing in two threads?

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...15#post1633215

Why dont you ask him how to remove the spyware?

Been taking the stupid pills again?

Yes, thats it, Im taking the stupid pills... So what pills exactly will you need to take to see my sarcasm?

Been smoking too much of that easter plastic grass? Me thinks the other kids are waiting for you outside, its time to find the eggs. =)

It is not my responsibility or anyone elses to have to seek out a solution to this invasion. I do not want to make peace with SI and ask them how to remove their program. I want to insure that this type of practice is not continued.

49th,

While you might be pissed off right now the more professional thing to do would of been to call / email Robert (mojo) and explain your problems / situation to him.

Mojo has been around for many years, and I have always had a good experience with him and his company.

my 2cents you know, but it's not like our industry needs anymore heat :)

The in-fighting in this industry makes you want to beat someone over the head with a two-by-plank.


Repeatedly, in some cases. :Graucho

Just to be clear on something.....What are you guaging this "type of practice" against? Your own personal viewpoints of what is right or wrong or "ethical"?!?

And i guess you were elected sheriff somewhere along the way?

dude....you got burned...suck it up....learn from it....and build something better.

I am curious about the same. Is there a specific law/regulation against such practice?

now this is a drinking thread.

:glugglug

To test this further, I have just installed Netscape for the first time on my system. I then signed up for a new account at SI and went to the AllClicks linking code they provided.

Immediately, McAfee Virus Scan came back with a JS/Exploit virus warning. Yep, good old clean fun from the bunch at SI.

I am way ahead of you bro.

Well Mr 12 Clicks is always asking and demanding proof so lets see what is response is here.

:ak47:

Even the complaint of a nobody should be perfectly valid if they are reporting someone for doing something unethical and illegal.

You really are fucking mad arent you....holy shit....gotta stay outta your way.

Cayman islands?

Goth,

I agree 100%, but only thought on this subject was to get with Robert and or Ron privately first. If private doesn't work, well then you have other choices.

I mean look at me, I can be an asshole, and have done so a few times over the years.

3-4 times companies have been very slow to pay us for design, I contact them many many times, when I finally reach the point where I think I might get fucked, I email them once more and say I am going public, if no pay then, I fucking burn them on the forums. I don't like doing that at all, but as I said it's only happ. 3-4 times in all these years after doing thousands of projects.

peace

todd

You know....this thread has all the markings of "landmark" all over it.

Drama, intrigue, the feds.....

You think Dick Wolf would be interest in this?

<b>Law and Order: Internet Investigations Unit</b>

Who wants to start working on the script?

Does anyone have a link that explains the specific law/regulation against such practice?

Let me see if I got this. You signed up for someone's program and didn't read the terms?

Is there an explanation about "hijacking" a surfers browser in the terms of agreement?

Kimmykim - Nope...read the above again carefully....

And correct me if I am wrong, but I am assuming that Standard Internet does not issue terms to each unexpecting surfer, which would need to state:

"By clicking on our link you agree that our pages will wilfully hijack the your browser and install a JS/Exploit virus on your system".

But, then again, why am I defending my position again. It is laid out quite methodically above...no punches pulled...

And the point of my post is simple..I have laid complaints, a colleague has issued a similar complaint...and if you too have fallen victim to this type of browser exploitation, the applicable links are available at the start of this thread to enable you to to let your voice be heard.

Am I missing something here?

"That is, until last week, when I decided to check out his AllClicks program at Standard Internet. Since clicking on the AllClicks Blind Link he provides to affiliates, the following has happened: "

I don't think you've laid anything out methodically since obviously I can infer from this statement that you signed up as an affiliate?

Perhaps you should clarify. Go slowly and pretend I'm a simpleton if that helps.

Am I missing something here?

What does signing up as an affiliate or the terms of agreement have to do with the "hijacking" of a surfer's browser?

Perhaps you should clarify. Go slowly and pretend I'm a simpleton if that helps.

I think the point of the TWO posts that you made was to slander someone.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...15#post1633215

A methodical person might have sought out the individual and tried to work it out first as gentlemen.

12clicks might be a dink here at GFY...but I can attest to the fact that outside of this board, the dude was reasonable when it came to solving a problem. I contacted him personally and he was quick to respond to my concerns. Civility works sometimes.

Try Spybot, it's FREE and finds stuff Ad-Ware doesn't find. Onlt thing Ad-Ware reports it as spyware (which it's NOT)

Yes KK, you are missing the very fundementals of this post. This IS NOT an affiliate issue...and whether I signed up as an affiliate once or signed up 100 times over, is simply not an issue. To call this an affiliate issue is simply deflection.

If you have followed any of my many posts on this board, you will know that before I promote anything other then my own products, I inspect the programs with a VERY fine toothed comb. I have heard Ron talk highly of his programs on numerous occassions. Since I have a tremendous volume of non-adult traffic, I am always interested in non-intrusive additions to my revenue stream. To this end, I am always looking for search engine links, or other surfer friendly additions to my sites.

To this end, I signed up for all of SI's products and then began to test them. (You are aware that to fully test a program, you need to get the actual links that your surfers will get...not simply a sample link included with the affiliate sign-up page). The rest is history.

So, now that the deflection and search for hidden agendas is complete, you can find the complaint links on the top of this thread.

Yep, :thumbsup don't know how I could agree with you more.

That's a
two-by-four.... not plank:winkwink:

yea really, at least give him a chance to make up some bs like it was a coding error or something.

Speak for yourself. When I get carryin' a big shitwacker, it's a plank. A big one. Hardwood.

Somehow I doubt the rest is history and I'd bet there's more to this story than meets the eye.