Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21796882)

From 3 days ago: Trump Impeachment Articles Now Being Drafted, Says Democratic Congressman Al Green | Newsweek

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21796900)

Isn't that just grandstanding, though? He can draw them up, and stand on the floor and read them, but with the Republicans controlling both houses, there is no way this is going to go forward unless Trump is actually charged with and convicted of a crime.

To me, this feels like when the Republicans voted something like 75 times to repeal Obamacare knowing that Obama would never sign it so it was never going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21796873)

The Articles of Impeachment for Donald J. Trump are Ready to File | Slate

Article 1: Compromising the integrity of the presidency through continuing violation of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause. From his first day in office, Trump’s continuing stake in Trump Organization businesses has violated the clause of the Constitution proscribing federal officials from receiving foreign payments. The true and full extent of Trump’s conflicts of interest remains unknown. For his part, Trump has transferred day-to-day control over these interests to his adult children and the management of the Trump Organization. However, he remains the ultimate beneficiary for these businesses, so the fundamental conflict of interest remains. These foreign business ties violate both the letter and spirit of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause, and arguably provide the clearest basis for impeachment based on the facts and law.

Article 2: Violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the duties of his office by disregarding U.S. interests and pursuing the interests of a hostile foreign power, to wit, Russia. L’affaire Russia began during Trump’s campaign for the presidency, during which several top aides reportedly had contacts with Russia and its intelligence service. His campaign manager also had reportedly worked either directly or indirectly for the Kremlin. These contacts continued, famously, into the presidential transition, when the president’s chosen national security adviser, Michael Flynn, had his ill-fated contacts with Russia. Beyond these contacts, Trump has substantively acted in myriad ways that benefit Russia, including dangerous diplomacy that has reportedly frayed relationships with our allies and allegedly put allied intelligence assets at risk. By offering classified information to the Russians, it was reported that Trump risked the intelligence assets of a Middle Eastern ally that already warned American officials that it would stop sharing such information with America if that information was shared too widely. In risking that relationship, Trump has opened up the possibility for the loss of that information stream for combatting terrorism, and potentially put American lives at risk from the loss of intelligence that could inform officials about future attacks on Americans at home and abroad.

Article 3: Impairment and obstruction of inquiries by the Justice Department and Congress into the extent of the Trump administration’s conflicts of interests and Russia ties. The Trump administration has systematically impeded, avoided, or obstructed the machinery of justice to obscure its business relationships, its Russia ties, and the forces acting within the Trump White House to animate policy. The most egregious and visible examples have been Trump’s firings of Acting Attorney General Sally Yates and FBI Director James Comey. [Update, 6:18 p.m.: The New York Times reported on Tuesday afternoon on an even more egregious case of apparent obstruction of justice, wherein Trump allegedly directly asked Comey to end the FBI's investigation of Michael Flynn.] Each termination had what appeared to be a lawful pretext; subsequent statements or admissions have indicated each had more to do with obstructing justice than holding leaders accountable. Alongside these sackings, the Trump administration has also worked to starve Justice Department inquiries of resources and refocus investigators on suspected leaks instead of the White House’s own Russia intrigues. The Trump administration also interfered with congressional inquiries through attempting to block witnesses like Yates from appearing or selective leaking of classified information to House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes, compromising Nunes so badly he had to recuse himself from the matter.

Article 4: Undermining of the American judicial system through felonious intimidation of potential witnesses. In his desire to continue Comey’s public humiliation, and ensure Comey remained silent about Trump’s possible sins, the president threatened Comey on Twitter with disclosure of “tapes” of their conversations. This follows a pattern of Trump roughly treating witnesses and litigation adversaries that stretches back for decades before his presidency. Since taking office, Trump has also used the bully pulpit of his office to threaten intelligence officials for purported leaks and badger former Yates before her congressional testimony. In addition to falling beneath the dignity of the presidency, these verbal assaults also constitute obstruction of justice, prohibited by federal statutes on witness intimidation, retaliation against a witness, and obstruction of federal proceedings. These attacks don’t just harm the individuals who are targeted; they assault and undermine the rule of law. As such, they constitute further grounds for impeachment of Trump and his removal from the presidency.

Article 5: Undermining of his office and the Constitution through repeated assaults on the integrity of the federal judiciary and its officers. During the presidential campaign, Trump publicly attacked federal district Judge Gonzalo Curiel on the basis of his ethnicity, saying Curiel had been “extremely hostile to (Trump),” and that the judge had ruled against Trump because of his “Mexican heritage.” Since taking office, Trump has continued his unpresidential assaults on the federal judiciary, particularly after repeatedly losing court battles over his travel bans. At one point, he described a member of the bench as a “so-called judge,” undermining the premise of an independent judiciary. These statements also undermined both the dignity and power of the presidency, and threaten the rule of law by attacking the integrity of the federal judiciary.


Article 6: Demeaning the integrity of government and its public servants, particularly the military and intelligence agencies, in contravention of his constitutional duties to serve as chief executive and commander in chief of the armed forces. Trump swept into office with considerable disdain for the government and its military. Indeed, during his campaign, he insulted former prisoners of war, Purple Heart recipients, and Gold Star families; criticized the military for its performance in Iraq; and said today’s generals and admirals had been “reduced to rubble” during the Obama administration. Trump carried this disdain into the presidency, through his attacks on the “deep state” of military and intelligence officials that he believed to be obstructing his agenda. He also demeaned the military and its apolitical ethos through use of military fora and audiences as public spectacle—first to sign his immigration order in the Pentagon’s Hall of Heroes, and then to deliver rambling speeches at military and intelligence headquarters suggesting that pro-Trump elements in those agencies were grateful Trump had taken power. Trump has also continued to wage political war against his intelligence community, suggesting as recently as Tuesday morning that it was sabotaging his administration through leaking and other nefarious activities. In doing these things, Trump has undermined his constitutional office as president and commander in chief of the armed forces.

Article 7: Dereliction of his constitutional duty to faithfully execute the office of president by failing to timely appoint officers of the United States to administer the nation’s federal agencies. Shortly after taking office, Trump administration strategist Stephen Bannon articulated his plan for the “deconstruction of the administrative state.” During its first four months in office, the Trump administration’s neglect of governance illustrates how this strategy is to be executed: delay of political appointments, failure to reach budget agreements with Congress in a timely manner, and delib The vresterate neglect of governance and government operations. These actions and failures risk the health, welfare, and security of the nation, and represent a dereliction of Trump’s constitutional duty to faithfully execute the office of the presidency.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21796954)

That's a lot of work for grandstanding.

Trump has done everything listed.

It will go down in history what party demanded justice, yet again.

There are Republicans just waiting for their legislation to get through before the dump Trump. The writing's on the wall.

Then there's this

Preliminary Impeachment Inquiry Filed Against President Trump

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21796987)

The only one of these that may have teeth is the emolument clause of the constitution. Everything else is pretty much nonsense.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 21796975)

You looking forward to a Pence presidency, gay boy? :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by shiraz9944 (Post 21797062)

Did anyone on this board actually go to and or graduate from an accredited college? a 4 year one not counting the University of Phoenix online? Cause wow, pretty much everyone here has so much hatred for Trump and no idea of what the law actually is or how the gov't works it's really shocking to see and read. What's funny is you call Trump supporters ignorant and unintelligent, when you don't know the first thing about how this all works. No wonder he won in an electoral landslide. BTW is the only one that counts to all you popular vote idiots.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21797089)

I did. In that school, they taught me the definition of the word landslide.

Trump won. There is no debating it. Everyone knew the rules going into the election so they can't complain about the results, but he BARELY won this election. It was far from a landslide.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21797095)

They won districts through extreme racist gerrymandering that the supreme Court ruled illegal last week.

Supreme Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Racial Gerrymander | Mother Jones

Roughly 30 percent of North Carolina's voters are registered Republicans, but the GOP holds 10 of the state's 13 seats in Congress. They stole those elections through illegal racial gerrymandering. How undemocratic. So much for one vote per person and equal rights eh?

Now that the supreme Court has weighed in things will change in 2018 & 2020 elections because Republicans have been doing this the last few years, rigging voting, to steal elections.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21797113)

Gerrymandering is also only part of the story. Republicans like throw around statements like "Trump won 84% of the counties in the country." Now that number might not be exactly correct, but it is in the ballpark. That is technically true, but in many of those counties there are barely any people in them. Take, for example, my state. We have 36 counties. Trump won 28 of them, but he lost the state by 11 points. When you look at the breakdown you can see that Oregon has about 4 million people. 2 million of them live in 4 counties (all won easily by Clinton). Trump won a bunch of counties that have hardly anyone in them. In one county he got 671 votes and won it easily as there were only about 900 total votes cast in that county. Winning a bunch of empty space is not a landslide.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21796900)

Isn't that just grandstanding, though? He can draw them up, and stand on the floor and read them, but with the Republicans controlling both houses, there is no way this is going to go forward unless Trump is actually charged with and convicted of a crime.

To me, this feels like when the Republicans voted something like 75 times to repeal Obamacare knowing that Obama would never sign it so it was never going anywhere.

Originally Posted by shiraz9944 (Post 21797149)

and this is exactly what I mean........you obviously didn't pay attention in said school. That's why the electoral system exists, so exactly what you're saying doesn't happen. The two coasts can't control the entire political system and those counties with less people but MORE land get equal say. Yes his electoral count is what election experts call a pretty big landslide (305-227), nearly as big as Obama over Romney (332-206).

Why there are two houses of congress. Senate for those seeking a solution for not giving all the governing power to the more populous states. The HofR is more reflective of the general population and it's funny because the GOP holds a larger margin in the HofR than the Senate. They made it this way on purpose so idiots on the coasts couldn't force their will on the middle less populous states. Read a book and UNDERSTAND what it is telling you.

If everyone was as liberal as you want people to believe, then why are 3/4 of both the state legislatures and governorships GOP controlled? Gerrymandering can't explain the Governorships so don't go there please. It's a tired and old argument that Dems use when they are in the minority of everything, but not when they are winning like the past 8 years. They couldn't muster the votes to pass the ACA so they nuked the filibuster, now they live with that decision and as soon as either this stuff goes away with Kushner being removed from the WH or Pence in power, either way. It's going to be an ugly 4 years at least for liberals as the conservative's smash every single thing down their throats and there isn't a thing they can do about it.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21797491)

This is just from Congress, there is still the FBI/DOJ investigation going on.

Word has it Trump was handed a sealed notification that he was target of a grand jury investigation from the DOJ.

My guess would be these articles of impeachment are connected to that. Republicans are reportedly looking for a way out but none of them want to be the ones to kick the ball first.. They are spineless..

They want to get Trump gone and get Pence in, hoping it quites all the Russian shit down so they can shove through as much as possible before the DOJ case blows wide open and takes down Pence as well.

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 21797524)

The desperation in this thread is downright pathetic.

Hey libtards- there's no evidence of wrongdoing.

But keep listening to Olbermann & Maddow, i'm sure they have the real scoop :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:pimp

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21797719)

But there are multiple on going investigations all of which have been brought to bear and are being run by Republicans not "libtards" because they have determined that there is enough "evidence" to conclude that there needs to be an investigation.

Originally Posted by shiraz9944 (Post 21797149)

and this is exactly what I mean........you obviously didn't pay attention in said school. That's why the electoral system exists, so exactly what you're saying doesn't happen. The two coasts can't control the entire political system and those counties with less people but MORE land get equal say. Yes his electoral count is what election experts call a pretty big landslide (305-227), nearly as big as Obama over Romney (332-206).

Why there are two houses of congress. Senate for those seeking a solution for not giving all the governing power to the more populous states. The HofR is more reflective of the general population and it's funny because the GOP holds a larger margin in the HofR than the Senate. They made it this way on purpose so idiots on the coasts couldn't force their will on the middle less populous states. Read a book and UNDERSTAND what it is telling you.

If everyone was as liberal as you want people to believe, then why are 3/4 of both the state legislatures and governorships GOP controlled? Gerrymandering can't explain the Governorships so don't go there please. It's a tired and old argument that Dems use when they are in the minority of everything, but not when they are winning like the past 8 years. They couldn't muster the votes to pass the ACA so they nuked the filibuster, now they live with that decision and as soon as either this stuff goes away with Kushner being removed from the WH or Pence in power, either way. It's going to be an ugly 4 years at least for liberals as the conservative's smash every single thing down their throats and there isn't a thing they can do about it.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21797737)

We will have to agree to disagree on the definition of a landslide.

As for the Electoral College, I think it is outdated and no longer needed. I also think it encourages disenfranchisement and corruption. Just look at the numbers. While Trump did lose the popular vote, it was still pretty close especially considering that he didn't bother campaigning in places like California or New York and Hillary didn't really campaign in places like Texas. Conservatives complain saying that we shouldn't allow the "idiots on the coasts" to run things. But should those "idiots" have to live the way someone living in a small town in Kansas decides? While I agree that someone in Kansas shouldn't have to live how someone in Los Angeles tells them to, the reverse is also true.

If it were a popular election, both candidates would have to campaign in all states to get all votes. One candidate could win every vote in California, Texas, New York, and Florida (the four most populous states) and still lose badly if the other candidate did well in other states.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21797764)

Not really the major population centers would elect the President which involves a half dozen or so cities and I personally would not like that nor would almost all of the other people from about 45 or so states in the Union.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21797764)

Not really the major population centers would elect the President which involves a half dozen or so cities and I personally would not like that nor would almost all of the other people from about 45 or so states in the Union.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21797722)

Acepimp is just another fake Joushamo alt.. No reason to take anything he posts serious his only goal is to support his main nick and try to derail topics.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21798241)

His fake nics are obsessed with me, they created 3 threads about me today 🤣

Are you still saying by January Trump will be impeached? Or you think sooner now?

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21797722)

Acepimp is just another fake Joushamo alt.. No reason to take anything he posts serious his only goal is to support his main nick and try to derail topics.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21798241)

His fake nics are obsessed with me, they created 3 threads about me today 🤣

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21797014)

That's the easiest. Drumpf's DC hotel isn't tracking foreign money, they said it's too difficult if not impossible. Another lie from Trump to the American people:

Trump Isn't Enforcing His Plan to Avoid Violating the Emoluments Clause | Mother Jones

Originally Posted by shiraz9944 (Post 21797062)

Did anyone on this board actually go to and or graduate from an accredited college? a 4 year one not counting the University of Phoenix online? Cause wow, pretty much everyone here has so much hatred for Drumpf and no idea of what the law actually is or how the gov't works it's really shocking to see and read. What's funny is you call Trump supporters ignorant and unintelligent, when you don't know the first thing about how this all works. No wonder he won in an electoral landslide. BTW is the only one that counts to all you popular vote idiots.

Originally Posted by shiraz9944 (Post 21797149)

and this is exactly what I mean........you obviously didn't pay attention in said school. That's why the electoral system exists, so exactly what you're saying doesn't happen. The two coasts can't control the entire political system and those counties with less people but MORE land get equal say. Yes his electoral count is what election experts call a pretty big landslide (305-227), nearly as big as Obama over Romney (332-206).

Why there are two houses of congress. Senate for those seeking a solution for not giving all the governing power to the more populous states. The HofR is more reflective of the general population and it's funny because the GOP holds a larger margin in the HofR than the Senate. They made it this way on purpose so idiots on the coasts couldn't force their will on the middle less populous states. Read a book and UNDERSTAND what it is telling you.

If everyone was as liberal as you want people to believe, then why are 3/4 of both the state legislatures and governorships GOP controlled? Gerrymandering can't explain the Governorships so don't go there please. It's a tired and old argument that Dems use when they are in the minority of everything, but not when they are winning like the past 8 years. They couldn't muster the votes to pass the ACA so they nuked the filibuster, now they live with that decision and as soon as either this stuff goes away with Kushner being removed from the WH or Pence in power, either way. It's going to be an ugly 4 years at least for liberals as the conservative's smash every single thing down their throats and there isn't a thing they can do about it.