Do you think there will be an all out war in north korea?
 

I predict that north korea and its fat ass leader will be destroyed by the end of this year. Shit is going to hit the fan and it wont be good.

I really hope that Kim has a few nuclear missiles and it will nuke Los Angeles and New York. Maybe this will stop american nazis for a while.

I think that their inhuman regime must be destroyed of course, but I don't think it will be an easy war for the States... In case of the ground operation, 100's thousands of coffins will be sent back to America. Many here say: "nuke them". I don't think it will work. There is South Korea near and it will be seriously affected by the radioactive fallout. The same applies to China, which won't tolerate that and remember, China has its own nukes too. Not even mention the millions of potential refugees...

If the USA gets involved then yes it will be an all out cluster fuck failure just like every USIS invasion...

it will be BAD, real real BAD.

With irresponsible Kim Jong Un and unpredictable Donald Trump, the worst is possible. :helpme

North Korea has been on a suicide mission since 1950.
It's unacceptable that madmen have nuclear weapons.

That said, a ground invasion is out of the question.

Easily in the next 20 or 30 days... (if not this week)

Trump and the US have no choice but to strike now BEFORE N. Korea develops there long range intercontinental missiles w/nukes attached.

I'm pretty sure Trump just got the green light yesterday when they had that UN meeting with only the world's biggest top dog country leaders attending.

The world wants to pull the plug on NK, and Trump is just the guy to get that shit done.

S. Korea will lose a lot of lives, but if that happens, Trump will bomb the shit out of NK until there isn't much left.

no country would need any protection from US if US would not make their enemies to those country´s enemies.

think about that !!!!

I don't think it will happen but you can only poke the bear so much

hope not, those poor bastards have suffered enough :2 cents:

true. Im even pretty sure that the majority of the dead will have had no idea what was even going on.

U.S. starts ?swiftly? installing controversial anti-missile battery in South Korea

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...114_story.html

Seems the South Koreans are not too pleased with the THAAD anti-missile deployment.



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The Mother of all Diversions is what happens.
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I thought about it. LOL

I'm a huge fan of South Korean products (electronics, cars, computer games etc). So if fat Kim Ass-in will hurt RK because of American political ambitions, I will blame it all on you, guys...

i really hope so...i better get my 3rd son his passport and fast :( this shit is starting to freak me out

Only if China gets involved.

Fat Boy is just jealous. South Korea is making lots of money trading with the world -- while most North Koreans barely have what to eat. Most of the North Korean GDP is used to support the NK military machine apparently ...

But you have it wrong: South Korea has tried and tried to reach a negotiated solution -- North Korea will not compromise they would rather starve.

I gave you far too much credit.

I do not know if there will be a war or not. If there is, it will be over quickly. North Korea can just not go head to head with a super power. It will be just like Iraq and Afghanistan, where the governments and their military fell quickly.

Then why are we still fighting, and our servicemen still dying, in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Would there be an insurgency to fight there also -- you have to look at the long game. The combined UN forces withdrew from North Korea 27 July 1953 and our military has remained in South Korea ever since.

"Jan 11, 2014 - South Korea said on Sunday it had agreed to pay 920 billion won ($866.86 million) in 2014 towards the cost of the U.S. military presence ..." That was then ... So ... WTF is going on?

We'll use small nukes not the big ones and we'll leave the bitch China to clean up the mess fuck China they're 80% of NK trade and they gave NK the resources & knowledge to go nuclear fuck China.

And the rain will wash the nuclear fallout remaining -- where?

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let´s make a small count:

north korea have 25 million people the south have 50 million aproximately.

IF NK have nukes it will bomb SK for sure and let´s say 30 million of the 50 will die.
nuking NK will probably kill 80% of them what is another 20 million

let´s assume that 70% of all northkorean are against the regime and 30% would die for it.
so from the 5 million what are left 1,5 million would still die for it.

result: up to here we have already the same number of killed people as in WW2 and we have an additional number of 1,5 million NEW TERRORISTS.

we have huge region in the world what will be uninhabitable for the next few hundert years and another 20 million south koreans what need a new home - WHO WILL TAKE THEM ????

the only thing what can destroy this regime in NK are their own people.
hunger and thurst is stronger and louder as any dictator´s voice.

china already stopped a lot of connections with them and china is also NOT interessted that this punk will have working nukes.
so pacience is the only answer that can prevent my calculation.

Wars without prejudice to the country always harm the people

Patience?

Over 20 years of diplomacy

Over 20 years of NK threatening to bomb SK, Japan & America.

Diplomacy doesn't work with dictators, clearly. Bomb them now and let China clean up. NK is China's dog anyway.

You have to understand the difference between a war, an occupation, and an insurgency.

A war is fought between the military forces of two countries. In both Iraq and Afghanistan, the war was quickly fought and quickly won. Their governments and their military were quickly removed.

In both Iraq and Afghanistan there was an insurgency after the fall of the government and the military. At times this seemed significant. It's over in Iraq now. It's still happening in Afghanistan, but at this point US forces are more in a police action than anything else. Quite frankly, you cannot kill six hundred people that are hiding.

Would that happen in Korea? Most likely not. The population relies on the government for EVERYTHING and without this support, the North Korean people will die.

I always wanted to visit NK, shit, I better hurry up.

I hope you get run over by a bus, we can all hope right?

That's also 20 years of them not bombing SK, Japan and the US..

Surprising how that very simple and very important fact is lost on some people...


I think that Trump is just itching to push the button. He's certainly crazy enough to do it. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

correct !

and let´s think a bit back to cuba - 1962 it looked the same (or even worse) than the situation now because it happens right in front of the US homeland.

nobody knows what would have happen if someone would loose pacience but i am pretty sure we would not be here and discus that now.

and today ? i can´t see any problems with cuba any more - even when many people told kennedy to push the button.

unfreedom will not survive for ever. not even the iron curtain with all their ressources and power could stop it´s own end.

you can only remeove one dictator with another one because if the people there do not fight for a change they are not ready for a change - it is that simple.

look where the majority of all terrorists are comming from. the come from the so-called liberated countries - they will not understand that you liberate them if you thow a bomb on their house and kill their families. they will hate you for it and they will think about nothing but avenge themselves.

every form of violence generates violence - if we did not learn that in the past 100 years when shall we learn it?

NK is constantly threatening to nuke it's neighbors & America, now they actually have 10-30 nuke bombs to do it.

If we'd have bombed them in the last 10 years they wouldn't have the nukes they have now. They need to be stopped from creating more. Period.

"The latest Chinese estimate that North Korea could have 20 warheads today and 40 by 2016, reported exclusively by the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, surpasses that of most U.S. experts. The current U.S. Congressional estimate is that North Korea has 10-16 nuclear weapons. Apr 23, 2015" SOURCE

Wars will stop the day they are fought on US, China & Russia soils ...

I understand dying in service to your country is dying. Dead is dead.

The United States has not won a war since WWII.

We 'won' some minor skirmishes like Grenada -- my cousin was one of the medical students held hostage.

We did not win the "peace" in North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria.

If you think Korea War 2 will be decisive -- why? Sure, the USA has the military might to blow North Korea off the face of the earth. Do you expect China and Russia to congratulate us?

If China and Russia who are bordering countries and stakeholders in the issue agree to act with the USA in unison we could all finish this without a shot being fired -- absolute embargo with the exception of minimal humanitarian aide.

The USA shooting unarmed Minuteman III missiles into target ranges 4,000 miles into the Pacific is just as antagonizing as Fat Boy shooting unarmed missiles into the Pacific threating the territory of other Asian nations.

This is just stupidity at its finest.

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Not this shit again ...

You are wrong. We have won wars.

Saddam's military was defeated, and their government removed. The government we put in place is still running the country. The war is over.

The Taliban have been removed from power, and have been replaced by our government. At this point the Taliban is no longer an effective fighting force, and all they are capable of is random terrorist attacks against soft targets. This is less of a military action and more of a police action at this point.

We are not engaged in war against Syria. We are bombing ISIS, and this includes ISIS in Syria, but this is being handled by the Syrians, the Russians, the Iranians (oddly enough), and the Iraqis. This is not our fight and we are on the sidelines.

The problem with modern day warfare is that are afraid to commit fully. During World War II we were fully committed. We had no issues bombing and destroying entire cities. We would kill fifty thousand civilians in a single bombing and no one gave it a second thought. When Germany and Japan surrendered, the population was utterly done with the war. They were done with living in bombed out ruins and starving. As horrible as this sounds, this is how war needs to be waged. Until we are willing to do this to another country, there will continue to be resistance against a new government. There always will be unless they are faced with complete and utter destruction.

Also, in Vietnam.... We never lost a single battle. Not once. The Tet Offensive was considered the turning point in the war, but not because they won. It was a stunning defeat really. It was the turning point because that was when the US public and the US government decided to walk away. With Vietnam we never went in 100%.

Peace Peace Peace

War war WAR!

Yeah, Iraq and Afghanistan. That went well didn't it?

Quickly? you call 10+ years quick?

Drink the Kool-Aid if you want.

I am more concerned with keeping the nuclear materials necessary to create crude dirty bombs out of political terrorist hands. As long as ships are coming and going from North Korea this is the only 'clear and present danger' (as they say).

Half ass sanctions only create financial need. If Fat Boy wants to get back at the west this is his easiest way.

The Long History of the Pakistan-North Korea Nexus | The Diplomat

Our enemy's enemy is not our friend ...

This is a lot more complex than Trump sending the Great US Armada to change the world. As long as your enemy has the will to fight on you have no victory.

Only a pyrrhic victory ...
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saddam did not attack USA - he was attacked for chemical weapons what he never had.
before this "great" war there was nobody dying in the streets of bagdad after this stupid "cleaning" there are hundrets of people dying every day.

and why than USA have to throw one bomb for the price of 314 million dollar if that problem is resolved?

you should inform yourself a bit better about this fucking war there and it´s reasons.

don´t missunderstan dme but you won the WW2 with the help from 80% of the rest of the world against a country what have the size from texas.

hitler was the same idot as trump and thought he can rule the world - Gerams have been tired already on this war on dday - if not the whole alliance would not make a footstep there.

remeber - the strongest army in the world in the beginning of WW2 was the french and it took hitler 2 weeks to overrun them and collect seashells at the atlantic.

it is easy to win a war with help of the rest of the world against people who are tired from war and lies. if they would meet believers at ohama beach it would be the last people they had met.

yes bu you went out 100% - vietnam is a communist country what it would be also without tenthousands of dead US soldiers.

they had no aircrafts - no tanks - not modern weapons - not enough to eat - but they had the will to die for what they believe.
you underestimate the will of people and you overestimate the power of US.

Excuse me... Did you say the USA have won WWII? How many Nazi troops, tanks etc were killed/destroyed by Americans? Oh, maybe the US army have took over Berlin? Why I can't see stars and stripes on the US flag over Reichstag then?

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The USA was on the winning team -- they were a major factor on the Western front and Russian Army was the main factor in the Eastern front -- what happened after the war was won is another matter 'comrade' -- that has evolved into the cluster fuck we live in today. Maybe, history will prove out that WW2 was a Pyrrhic victory too.

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You are confusing a war with a police action.

Let's put things into perspective.

In Afghanistan we removed the government and defeated their military in about a month. Combined with the resulting police action which is still ongoing, the United States has lost a grand total of 2394 men.

In Iraq we removed the government and defeated their military also in about a month. Combined with the police action, we lost a grand total of 4818 men.

Compare that with the twenty million people Russia lost during WWII. Then compare that with the fifty thousand the US lost in Vietnam.

Then keep in mind that a lot of the people we lost in Afghanistan and Iraq were "non hostile" - accidents and what not. Don't believe me? LOL, okay:
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The government we put in place in Afghanistan is still in place, and the government we put in Iraq is still in place. If fact, the new Iraqi military is fighting ISIS for us.

well i talk about THEIR perspective not from the real one.
we both know that the ww2 would have another end if a few things would not happen

1. the biggest alliance (in wich USA was a huge part) against Germany
2. if hitler would not touch russia
3. if Germans would not wake up and saw that they were running far over the limit what they expected when the war started.

but actually i do not want to blame US people for the "we won the war" that is kind of kindergarten and we know they need it for their ego. what i want to say is that you can´t win a war against people what are believing in what they are fighting for.

this is also the reason why a war against islam terror can´t be won because the actual policy is producing everday a few thousand new ones. and this is easy to explain because even for us who were growing up with education and far more options for information it is very hard to understand what is going on there. how can somebody expect a better knowledge a better education and a better information in those countries. all what these people see are bombed houses and dead neighbours and family members and someone who is tellimg them who have thrown this bombs.