To all the old school webmasters stuck in their ways....
 

How are you going to feel when the newbs of today are schooling your ass on money in a few years because you are so stuck on the belief that what you do is the only way to make money?

You guys that aren't afraid of TGP's and new ideas are exempt from this question.

Good day. :glugglug

Reminds me of an old company I used to work for...

:thumbsup

fuck you

You too. Have a good one though. :thumbsup

Are you saying TGP's are on the same level with new ideas?

Definately not. I just find it hilarious the number of webmasters that are so worried about TGP's fucking up their business.

they DO fuck up our business, it's nothing new......

TGP's and UCE...


Love & Hate relationship isn't it?

TGP's are pure evil. I own 12 of em.

Hail Lucifer.

:1orglaugh

You are definately one of the people I am referring to. So what are you going to be doing as the newbs of today are banking more and more of "your" money?

Heh, you are fucking the adult business up royally then aren't you. :winkwink: Personally, I could care less if you owned 1000.

The day I'm scared of TGP's taking away from my money is the day I get out of this business.

The sky is falling...
The end is near....
Fear the newbs!

I also own 5 paysites. I'm just an all out slut. Fuck me.

:winkwink:

Just so you Newbie's know, people have been bitching about TGPs for as long as they have been around, but the guys bitching aren't the guys making bank...
:winkwink:

I'd give you a decent reply but i haven't slept all night and it's 9:40 am right now so I'm going to bed
I don't care much about tgps but they DO fuck up our business, prove me wrong......if you can make money off of it, good for you but I'm just saying if there were none, life would be so much easier, I think a lot of people would agree with me

never change a winning system !
:2 cents: :winkwink:

Yes, you are one of the people passing up some of the old schoolers as we speak. I could tell you weren't a close minded pessimist by one of your comments in the kill Kazaa thread.

:glugglug to those outside the box.

I've been waiting to be schooled by a newb for about 5 years now.
so far I've seen lots of talk. :1orglaugh

I'm not arguing that TGP's aren't taking away from your money. It's called free enterprise. Instead of being uptight about TGP's you should have been working on your business enough that no competition could hurt you.

How ironic that most of the old skool webmasters are the ones
that payout the checks to all you clever schooling newbies

Start a thread like this when it's the other way around....then
we'll talk again.

DynaMite :2 cents:

I don't know what area of the business you are in so I can't say anything about what you do. Are you one of those people that laughs off every new idea that someone comes up with even when you see them cashing in on it?

I don't have the desire to start an affiliate program on a paysite. Are you saying you have to have an affiliate program to be somebody in this business?

12clicks doesn't need new ideas. He got rich from the old ones long ago.

:glugglug

scared of tgp? Not likely. Digusted is more like it.

I checked out tgp once. One of the first forays into tgp was my old splitinfinity stoplist with its "free pic" feature. I turned that on and immediately my sales went down to a small fraction of what they were. I took that free pic thing down immediately and never went back. No free content from me, they pay or they go waste tgp bandwidth.

TGP works, there's no doubt about that. But it does not work well. And it ruins the business by giving away so much free content that people no longer need to buy, thus ruining it for everyone.

TGP is what webmasters do to get traffic when they aren't good enough webmasters to get traffic any other way. Fear them? No way, I actually pitty tgp webmasters. Really, I do.

No you don't but there are not a lot of old skool webmasters
that post galleries or run 10K tgp's. You talk about newbies
that outsmart old skool webmasters while at the same time
those stupid old skool webmasters that got stuck are the
ones that pay your checks.

And this statement is like yours a generalisation. Not all old
skool webmasters are stuck or run affiliate programs and not
all newbies post galleries or run small tgp's.

DynaMite :2 cents:

This thread is not directed at any webmaster with a lick of sense. I'm speaking of the people that continuously bash people that are new to this business and any method of advertising they don't use themselves. The webmasters that go with the flow of this business are the ones that will make it for years to come.

I didn't say anything ill of anyone posting galleries or running TGP's. If you don't get every extra piece of the pie that you possible can there will always be someone that will.

Tgp's were invented by "old skoolers". Let's see... The Hun, Al Fore, Thumbzilla, Shemp... I think the Buffet Family were the first to coin the term. And the list goes on.

I say we all go back to the link list model. Mmmmmm. The sweet smell of alphabetical link lists. Those were the days! I'm sure the surfer will forget that TGP's ever existed once they see the monster of all link lists...coming soon!

:winkwink:

I wouldn?t loose any sleep over it personally. A few more months and I will be retired and on the beach with all of the others that started making money online early. This isn?t a career or a vocation? It has been a means to a VERY profitable end?

If you newbs make as much money as quickly and easily as we oldies did then I am happy for you. It?s all that really counts. :2 cents:

I'm not nearly as new to this business as alot of posters here but I did only start just over a couple of years ago. I make enough money and more every month. I'm not saying you couldn't make money the old way, I'm speaking of the webmasters that are so stuck on what is they are oblivious to anything different. The same ones that feel threatened by TGP, newbs, and any competition whatsoever.

Congrats on your retirement. Me, I'm in the business for a long, long time. Making money isn't a job to me it's my hobby. Instead of skiing, playing instruments, or working on muscle cars I have always enjoyed the challenge of running a business and making as much money as possible. This is one of my kicks in life and I'm loving every second of it. :winkwink:

rich is a relative term. I won't feel rich until I no longer work. :winkwink:

of course, I still have more new ideas and $$ off of them that all the newbs combined.

If you are still spitting out new ideas and have an open mind about this business you will probably never get caught by the newbs of today. You know the webmasters I'm talking about, "that shit won't work", "tgp's are stealing my money", "I can't pay my models more than $50 or I'll lose money", etc. If you have been in the business for 5 years and you are still pumping out new things and going with the flow of the business in general you are obviously a smart man. Some people just don't get it. :winkwink:

This reminds me of that Rumsfeld quote- something about not knowing what we don't know.

You don't really want to help them see the light do you?:Graucho

or maybe the DUNE quote "when you look into that place you dare not look, you'll see me staring back at you."

I honestly wouldn't mind, and theres most likely zip that I do that interferes with anything most webmasters here do but I don't have the time. I'm running on around 24 hours right now and probably won't get to sleep until late tonight if at all.

I don't mind helping people out from time to time but there are alot of completely lost people trying to make a buck on their own when they would be much better off at a job. Business in general isn't right for everyone but adult is by far the easiest of them all.

Yeah sometimes maybe. The other times it's Indians and buffalo.

LOL:1orglaugh

Old School webmasters made money when there was lots to be made. Seems to me that many people nowadays are fighting over the scraps in a bloated market place.

If those old timers didn't know what they where doing they wouldn't be making the kind of money they are so this thread doesn't make any sense.

Just another poor attempt at getting some needed attention.

That time a month again huh! :1orglaugh

"TGP is what webmasters do to get traffic when they aren't good enough webmasters to get traffic any other way."


Exactly. Any dunce can make a TGP.

I like Newbies!

They give me ideas.

I don't mind tgp's I started submitting to the Hun in 1996

Sure there is a lot of free porn however if I surfer really gets into a girl/guy/fetish he/she will always pull out a credit card

I think its great to see new webmasters make bank.

:glugglug

12clicks is a nobody, he should listen to you i think

;-)

WHat if I'm old school, too lazy to be new school but smart enough to have hired new school guys to take care of that part of the business? I'm I half lame then? =]

nope mark you are then a "beautiful people"

hahahhahah


where are those sexy see through diamond studded glasses.

LOL hahhahahha

oh christ, I've been exposed by an indonesian, young boy chasing, beach bum.
:winkwink:

they're called LadyBoys, or Katoeys... let's get the terminology right damn you people

Pay sites are still the money engine of the adult internet.

Apparently what TGP'ers have learned is that it's good to put up a page full of links consisting of teaser photos which, when you click on them, blind link to another TGP.

Brilliant.

free porn does fuck up the business. anyone can figure that out, but there's nothing that can really be done about it. just gotta go with the flow.

more competition will always hurt.

The problem is most adult webmasters start out as porn surfers. when they first build a TGP, they build what they were looking for when they were surfers instead of what makes money.

Oh Lordie, I've heard this quoted so many times. Frankly, I don't think most of you will last 6 months anyway.

As for belief in what ways work and the argument about it?

Welcome to 4 years ago. I hate to quote him, but I will... "There is nothing new under the sun that webmasters can do" Brad "The Bastard" Shaw.

I somewhat agree with stocktrader, too often we see these old timers coming and talking about shit that nobody cares about, they are living in the past and holding on to these memories of when they use to "be on top". Its fairly sad as most of these people are only a legend in there own mind. If they had made as much money as most of them claim daily, they should of long retired but instead they keep putting out there boiler plate sites and cursing the younger guys who are making better sites that they end up copying anyways. (bangbus, cumfiesta, collegefuckfest) etc.

Porn is evolving into a business that is owned more by younger people, We are starting to see a phasing out of alot of the older "legends"..

Who really wants to be in there 40's and say they own a porn site anyways? You will be known as the block pervert and the guy that has one pair of jogging pants.