Money for nothing
 

The US isn't the only country guilty of spending more than it produces. The problem is getting people off the drug of expecting something for nothing.

The problem is the depravity of society.

the point of no return has long been reached...

Something for nothing? What the fuck?

All my life I pay taxes on everything I buy from electricity to water to food and yearly state and federal taxes, social security and Medicare tax too (that goes into my retirement & medicare/medicaid). Now we're told my generation won't have Medicaid/care because it's going bankrupt.

Paul, your generation has FUCKED our generation! Your generation has been in power and put all economies in a deficite with your selfishness greed.

YOUR generation is responsible for this mess and you're fucking is over so we won't have what you have now, even though WE paid into it all out lives!

Your generation is so fucked that you don't cut Medicaid/care for your generation (the mess you created) no, you keep all your benefits 100% and mooch off the system doing NOTHING and make more in my generation die from lack of care.

Your generation is the problem. You got us into this mess and you're all leaving us behind to suffer and clean up your mess while
rigging the system to keep 79-o0 year olds in public office to make we are fucked instead of your generation paying the piper. You all feel entitled and act like my generation who paid in all our lives aren't entitled just the same!

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And with tubes you get your "chicks for free" too :upsidedow

Paul's generation has fucked us all. We should take over government, cut retirement payments in half, charge for all medical care full price and end all free medical programs for those over 65.

Paul's generation is doing this to us in America, but to all 50 and younger. So when we're they're age we are fucked.

I say we fuck the most expensive ones, 65 and over. If they can't afford it they die and save us money, those in society producing, working and living a life :2 cents:

You don't pay enough in taxes to meet the costs.

So your generation should turn it around. Bring jobs back to America and pay more for the goods so the extra workers in America can pay more in taxes.

So change it and start paying more for your Medicare and retirement.

So don't vote for the same people over and over again.

The reason you're in a mess is you don't pay enough in taxes or enough for products to be made in the West. The deficit and trade gap prove me right. So stop voting for people who want to keep doing what has been done for 40 years. Bring back jobs to the West and be ready to pay more to give the country the boost it needs.

Clearly, Medicare is a problem, a problem that can only be solved with more money or a switch to the system the rest of the West uses. Start by looking at how politicians have voted and do not vote for anyone who has voted in favour of Wars that don't need to be fought, for big business interests, voted against stiffer trade barriers, voted against higher taxes, voted to allow the Banking sector to have less control, voted against less monitoring of big business, etc. Don't vote for anyone who relies on big business donors to get re-elected.

No, the people in America who are making your Medicare system so expensive are the staff in the hospitals and the entire Pharm industry. We do it in Europe a lot cheaper.

So it's the America whatever generation you choose to blame.

Maybe more should have been spent on your education.

I invested in private pensions and healthcare by paying more.

It's a shame that most won't even see this documentary. Those guys destroyed the economy, got away with it and made even MORE money afterwards. That's the world we live in.

little faggot = Prince, for those who didn't know.

Stop blaming others for being a cuck.

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So, Bitcoin isn't money for nothing too?
Money is like casino chips at the roulette wheel of life -- don't run out of chips :2 cents:

When people give out Bitcoin for doing nothing. We can all be rich.

Here in the real world money has to be worked for.

This is all a game and then we die.

Common working people have never controlled the money supply throughout history.

The only thing I care about is how the FED, ECB, BOE, Bank of China manipulate the markets and how infinitesimal me can use this to get more chips in the game of life.

Your unborn great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren will be dead and buried with none of this changed.

The problem is the apathy of society.

Have you registered here just to insult British people?



(for those of you don't know - just a snarky remark at his comically retarded and laughable claims :1orglaugh)

I don't understand. I just like candy... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Deep down in the sea

He is partly right. We started the slide in 1970 by giving the Third World trading terms that made them far cheaper than the West. Which started the decline in wages for some. How many production companies closed down because they could never compete with workers on $5 a day? How many scandals did we read about child labour making goods for famous name companies?

The promise was that the West would be making the hi-tech products of the future. Chinese space stations. How much more Hi-Tech do we need to be?

Chinese military.

https://www.google.cz/search?q=chine...nese+hi-tech&*

It took 50 years to fuck us all. In the next 50 years our decline will be complete.

And we did this so we could get cheap stuff in the shops.

no it was all because of paul markham-ing...you embraced the cheap goods with both hands and did everything you could to get cheaper production costs and labor...like paul markham for example...

The problem is that of the 7.4 billion people on the planet less than 1 billion can claim to be living in the "first world."

Not a thing old man Markham

Not even one fucking thing.

The problem is people like Paul Markham betraying their country to do cheap business overseas, look where that lead him :(

In the end in never pays off to bite the hand that feeds. Now he's stuck with no money to get back home or even support himself, if he could get back, without having to live in a British Muslim slum neighborhood.

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We went to Czech because of the quality of the girls. It left me being able to produce 10 times the amount of content.

Doing very nicely thank you.

exactly! you "paul markham-ed" :2 cents::2 cents: this is why apple went to china and all the other big corps...nobody really wants to employ an expensive 1st world-er or buy domestic goods...they just want to blame it on others hence the "paul markham-ing" LOL

outpriced out of his own country sub-OP :2 cents::2 cents:

Right you're guilty of doing the same thing you complain about the west doing that lead to "it's demise". Now you can't afford to live in Britain at the same standard of living you do now and things are getting more expensive where you are now uh-oh ;)

Yes I'm guilty of moving my business to Czech where there were 10 times the number of girls ready and willing to pose. Yes costs are cheaper here than the UK and our house would have double and staff would have cost double to quadruple.

It's cheaper to live here than in the UK and my pensions go further.

But it's all allowed in fact encouraged under today's system. Change the laws so my sales balance the advantage to me and the disadvantages to you and you might be able to get off the dole and get a job.

I blame somali refugees in nigeria for paul markham not wanting to hire british models :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The US government took 2.9 % Medicare Tax from my income for 40 years. The US government owes me that plus investment interest and has to adjust that amount for inflation (how the US government has stolen your money for years). That amounts to $70K (easy) per 1 million of lifetime earnings.

So, if they would like to write me and millions of others unaffected by the Social Security changes a check ... pay us off ...

Moving the goalpost for those under 57? is fucked up and was supported by guess who and now embraced by the Trumplicans.

Meantime, this new Trumplican Dontcare (estimated) is going to cost me $530 a year more after the US Government gives me $4,000 in new tax credits. My slave rate to the insurance company will be $800/mo approximately for 1 insured over 60. Oh yeah, I will be able to tax defer $6,400 now into an HSA also. Bottom line I will have to pay out about $16,000 per year to get $10,400 in tax credits and non taxable health care payments and tax deferred income.

This is so much simpler, less expensive and WONDERFUL.
Thanks Trumplicans.

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problem is that SS/medicare/etc was supposed to be a trust fund where you put $$ in over 40 years, then when you reach old age $$ would be withdrawn... but some brilliant politician came along and figured "lets start spending this $$ now, and turn it into a ponzi scheme!"... you (or your parents) figured "brilliant idea, lets do it!", went along with the plan, enjoyed benefits of this scam for decades, and now 40 years later you are sitting here playing dumb "why are my benefits getting cut?", they are getting cut because for decades money was withdrawn from the trust fund and now there is insufficient level to let this ponzi scheme go on...

I don't blame you, I would be a bit pissed too, but lets not kid ourselves, everyone knows damn well why it's happening... it's not because some evil Republicans want to fuck you, it's because some idiot politicians decades earlier decided to spend the $$ in the trust fund...

and really, what are you complaining about? you are getting off easy, you will get back most of the $$ you put in, and maybe if you are lucky you will even come out ahead... younger generations on the other hand will almost certainly get fucked, they will get back only fraction of what they put in over the years...

"simple" would have been if this whole ss/medicare/etc bs didn't exist in the first place and instead you saved $$ into your own retirement account, you would know exactly where you stand, there would be no one to steal your funds for their own projects, there would be no cuts in benefits, etc... you would have saved up significant sums of money over your 40 year career, enabling you to have a quite comfortable retirement...

Social Security has been a ponzi scheme to force retirement benefits since 1938.

The worker to retiree ratio has steadily decreased and the tax rates gone up over years.

The Social Security Trust Fund is just a floating accounting -- the count of the 'take' from the taxation. It is 'invested' in government notes. The government can change the terms they took the money from you for anytime the want. If you did this in private business you would be arrested and convicted.

Social Security is an ethical government contract <= BIGLY oxymoron.

If the US Government wants to settle with me they can send me a check for all the Social Security and Medicare taxes I paid for 20 years adjusted for inflation with 12% interest -- then exempt me from Social Security and Medicare.

Do that for Millions and you will see how inflation will rise -- there is no winning really. Their currency -- their game. That is one reason the euro zone is self destructing -- currency policy. That is one reason why the Winklevoss Bitcoin EFT was denied by the SEC https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/b...-rejected.html losing control of the currency is the US Government's worse nightmare.

So they will pay me off my Social Security and Medicare the same way I paid for my parents but with a lower payee ratio and higher taxation -- aided by more inflation -- and the cycle continues until is collapses one day.

Repeal the Income Tax (IRS) Amendment
Repeal the Social Security and Medicare Acts
Give every adult citizen $20,000 and the parents or guardians of every minor $6,666
And go back to Duties and Excise Taxes to pay for it all.

I can hire a peasant to till my land and sharecrop to eat. That's if his government stipend is not enough. :laughing-
Or the economy collapses ...

I'm glad you're smart and I like that about you, and the fact you take the time to post detailed spot on posts like this. You lay things out so clearly and with more detail than I do. Thank you :thumbsup. I was gonna add HSA to your list and read it at the very end of your post and was like YES he covered everything! ( that I know of anyway ) :1orglaugh:thumbsup

This is why 64+ need to pay the piper. I went into detail about this with Paul in a previous thread. That generation is trying to fuck us, while keeping all their benefits they gambled away spending that money. They've been in charge for decades they need to suffer the consequences too.

I have no problem raising their rates to pay for care but am for lowering rates for those working, and allowing them to work and get benefits.

I think and added solution is raising the monthly limit on earned income from $1,410 to $2,000. People want to work & get their SS but they can't survive on $1,410 + benefits so TONS of people cheat the system to qualify for additional benefits through disability to get a few extra hundred dollars a month to survive.

The reason US Healthcare costs so much is Americans lack the will to vote in politicians who will adopt the European System.

It has nothing to do with Trump, Obama, Clinton Bush, etc. It's about you voting out the people ripping you off.

Not just Governments are guilty of this. Private companies are just as guilty of raiding workers pension funds. However, Governments should have made pension pots both Public and Private ring fences and untouchable.

Add to it that pension funds invested in the financial markets and you have a perfect storm.

Do some research. Companies go bust taking the workers pensions with them.

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Simpleton response -- medical practitioners make wages of 3 to 5 times in the US what the make in Europe.

Nurses and technicians make 2 to 3 times the wages in the US what the make in Europe.

Americans make a lot more money that most Europeans.
Americans pay a lot less taxes too.

You cannot just say give the government control and cut all wages 40%. That is unconstitutional.

The only way to solve the problem is to make the government a 'bully healthcare' provider. Operate a medical network, pay prevailing wages and forgo any profit. Costs could be reduced 20% this way. The infrastructure cost to do this would create trillions in new debt however.

Well, private business pensions not publicly managed are risky -- the government covers that risk -- they should not.

Most state and municipal pension funds are in tough shape -- better today than in 2008 but that could change rapidly.

You want a guaranty by a vacuum cleaner

The problem is more complex and will get worse.

At the base, none of us pay enough in taxes to cover the cost of running a modern country. If we did our Governments would only have to borrow for very large scale investments, not just to keep the country running.

This is a recent thing and due to the exodus of businesses to the Third World. This has sucked Trillions out from the West and has led to growing borrowing. Cheap stuff in the shops isn't that cheap when it's made in China.

Then there are the issues of mass migration bringing in workers undercutting resident workers and mass automation. Both slash Government revenues in favour of corporate profits and more government expenses.

So Governments are left trying to pay for all the demands without looking like the country is broke. Which it is in the real world. Earning $100k a year, spending $110k per year while being over $100k in debt with no chance of repaying it, is the definition of being broke.

The problem is no Western Country has ever tried to address the issue and have in fact kept the problem growing. There are no real measures to stop companies producing overseas and nothing to stop the mass migration of low-cost workers. The shit will hit the fan very soon as companies automate and machines don't pay taxes.

http://www.simontaylorsblog.com/wp-c...11-634x409.png

This mirrors most Western Countries debt to GDP ratios, just found US/UK first.

We should have been paying an import tax when I sold my products to countries outside the Czech Republic. The problem is the EU is behind the scheme to take the UK's wealth and share it with the less profitable countries. Both my brother in laws work outside CZ driving vans at a lower rate. Now who made that possible?

Robots are personal property business personal property is taxed by most local governments -- the feds could tax robots too and probably will. Mechanical slaves taxed by government :2 cents:

So stop bitching.

That means Nationalisation. The extra debt would be paid back over the years.

Why so much debt? No big need to build new hospitals once Public Sector ones start taking patients away from the present system. Also doctors, nurse, etc can be offered contracts for less or no job if they don't move to the public sector.

Start by voting out any politician who votes for the Pharm industry.

Edited to make it correct.

The reason pensions looked so good in 2008 is because the markets were making $1 look like $2.

You want a guaranty, buy property. Not 100% but better than a vacuum cleaner. :1orglaugh

that's nonsense, since the beginning of time taxes were trivial, only in recent times mass taxation for everything became the norm... the actual problem is that somehow people got a twisted idea in their heads that government is supposed to take care of them "from the cradle to the grave", but throughout history that was never the role of the government and it shouldn't be now...