No debates needed, just a poll: should we be doing this war or not?
 

Just curious what the poll numbers would be here, not looking for more debate :)

I think a simple yes or no doesn't suffice, since there are many different reasons for being either for or against the war. :2 cents:

Isn'it a bit late to ask that question ....

Abit like after cumming ,you ask yourself if you should fuck that broad ... or not....

:2 cents:

But all I want to know is if we should be there right now or not. I think most people can say if they think yes or no

Which is why POLLS are all bullshit! They don't tell you anything because they allow no shades of gray.

What did Mark Twain say? "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

What does that have to do with anything? It is a simple question: either you do support the war or you don't. You can't "sort of" support the war. So, yes or no suffices. I think we've had plenty of threads with people telling us WHY they are for or against it. This is a simple breakdown of "Yes, I think we should be doing this" and "No, I don't think we should be doing this."

SpaceAce

Thank you!

The KISS method can be useful.

No, because its over already:1orglaugh

Only a fool would think that.

When this war is over, the real war will be just beginning.

Get ready for waves and waves of terrorist suicide attacks both on your own soil and against US interests overseas.

The real fireworks are about to begin.

Enjoy the show.

don't you wish.

Isn't that the same thing that was said would happen if/when the war started?

Now we have to wait til after the war?

Lets just say you won't be able to say that you didn't bring it on yourselves.

I believe that you reap what you sow.

This is a WAR on terror, not hiding from terror :)

The dead bolts and barred windows for your living quarters must have been quite expensive. How much did you have to pay for your safe room? How much do you pay for security guards?

Hmm...apparently he must be occupied feeding the Dingo's, or maybe adding another deadbolt.

haha, you hit that right on the head.

I'm pretty sure he babbled this shit about afghanistan too. :1orglaugh

Well they certainy bent you over and anally reemed your nation on September 11, 2001. Don't think it won't happen again. This war has created hundreds of thousands of new terrorist recruits who are just as keen to die as you are to live.

Enjoy.

I noticed someone responded to your post with "You wish!" And that made me start thinking about those that are against the war, those especially outside of the U.S.A.

6pack..DO you REALLY want to see the U.S. get hit by "waves and waves of terrorist suicide attacks" (not will it happen...but do YOU want that to happen..and don't flame me for being pro war as I was against this war).

An honest response would be appreciated. Thanks!

No, but I won't cry a river when it happens.

You will have brought it on yourselves through your own military aggression, cultural and economic imperialism and your financial and military support of Israel, a nation that is systematically oppressing the Palestinians.

Like I said before, you reap what you sow. That's how I feel about it.

You don't seriously think terrorists want to attack your nation and kill Americans because they have nothing better to do with their time.

Do you?

You must be new here. You obviously never seen him glorify the WTC destruction have you? He'd love to see a US city Nuked tomorrow.

Some people hide there heads in the sand. Americans don't! We didn't in the 80's when Regan put ICBM's in Europe to combat the USSR, and the whole fucking world cringed and screamed that he'd start WWIII.

We sure the fuck ain't gonna start now.

Kill it BEFORE it kills you! :thumbsup

sure kid.

just like the thousands you said we created after afghanistan.

the pain of your impotence never lets up, does it?:1orglaugh

I will be bumping this thread after the next big terrorist attack.

We'll see who's right.

this speak volumes.

And I'll be bumping it up when we snuff out the next country who supports the terrorists.

CluelessJoe,
Don't forget the 2000 Austrailian Troops in Iraq.

Are you reaping what you sow? :321GFY

He will, personal and close up.

i vote zipit

So, you are saying you wish that millions of Americans die, even all of those that were opposed to the war?

What are the people that were opposed to the war suppose to do? Disarm the troops..somehow stop the ships & planes taking the troops over to Iraq? You are quite willing to blame an entire nation for what a HANDFUL of men did?

You honestly wish innocents death because of what a handful of military/politicos decided upon and carried through?

I'm not that new. I just want to know what motivates a person to so viciously hate a complete stranger he's never met before. Especially those that did not do any of the things he posted in his message. I've never known a person who would wish the death of some innocent in say South Dakota just because that person lives in the United States.

Joe Sixpack dosen't believe what he posts. He is just a troll, nothing more than a troll. He is an irritating troll, and one that I would gladly smash if given the chance. No troll, no mo'.

Ever heard the saying: "People get the government they deserve."

'nuff said.

You have anger management issues old man.

Maybe if you got yourself some pussy you would loosen up a little and you wouldn't need to masturbate to breaking war news on CNN.

I expected much more from you! Instead of something APPROACHING intelligence, you leave a lame ass quote?

Let the record show that your flame burned out big time!
(AS IT SHOULD! :thumbsup )

interesting thing about anti-war arguments though. i do remember hearing most of the same arguments against this war around the time we went into afganistan.

What exactly did you expect?

All I'm saying is that if you get more terrorist attacks then your nation has brought them on itself. Your successive governments have been responsible for your foreign policy. They were voted in by the people. The people are responsible. Why are the lives of Americans worth more than the life of an Iraqi or anyone else? The bottom line is that they're not.

Here's another saying for you: "You make your bed and then you have to lie in it."

Well, I'm not as radical as a lot of people are, but I do believe the war will end up doing more harm than good.

Everyone keeps talking about the "bigger picture".
Well, the bigger picture in regards to 9/11 was that it took years of preparation.

And while there have not been any terrorist attacks on Mainland USA, you don't honestly think that the Iraqi war CALMED down the threat of suicidal terrorist attacks do you?

I do believe it has served as a great recruiting tool for Bin Laden and his cronies. So again, it IS the bigger picture that one has to take into account here.

You absolutely refuse to answer a direct question! You would WISH the death of an innocent who DIDN'T vote for BUSH, was against the war, and let's say is a QUAKER (religious pacifist)?

Were we who were against the war supposed to somehow OVERTHROW an elected government to stop the war?

I guess in light of what has been said, it's no wonder you can't answer the question because there is NO SANE LOGIC for wishing the death of ANY innocent.

I made my bed..now get your butt out of it!

I don't ever like agreeing with Joe6 but he is correct in that when this over is over, the real war will just begin.

What's currently going on in Iraq is not a war. It's a battle. There's no doubt in anyone's mind (except for maybe Saddam or Tariq Aziz) that the U.S. will easily defeat Iraq militarily.

Unfortunately, however, there is no pure military solution to terrorism. If there were, Israel would have figured it out.

We will defeat (or at least minimize) terrorism in the aftermath of the defeat on Iraq. If we follow through on our promises of liberation and truly provide the Iraqis with a better life than they had under Saddam (which shouldn't be hard) we will be in a much better position to convince other Arabs that our intentions are noble. If we don't, we could be screwed.

Israel won 1967's 6-day war decisively, but if what they have suffered in the aftermath is victory, I don't know that I want it.

I don't wish death on anyone but if thousands more Americans were to die from one or more terrorist attacks I would say that the foreign policies of the current and previous US regimes were responsible and that they brought the attacks on themselves.

As I said in a previous post, you don't think terrorists blow themselves up in terrorist attacks because they simply don't have anything more interesting to do that day. They are driven by hatred. Why don't you look at why that hatred exists and you might come a little closer to understanding why terrorist attacks like Sept. 11 happen.

And, no, its not jealousy. :1orglaugh

but then again, it's just a family feud passed on for generations. or the hilter-esque brainwashing of the masses to some extent (probably similar to what you consider what the media does to US citizens, supposedly).


there are several groups out there, even in the US that have somewhat unsubstaniated claims, yet they do the things they believe in or are taught to believe in just because it's fun.

sometimes that includes doing some pretty nasty things.

Do you have any idea how many times we have heard that one over the last 19 months?

Do you know how many times the people saying it were wrong?

It may happen - and it certainly may not - but it's been predected now 25-30 times. If they do - their fate awaits them.

I don't know about jealousy... but it sure sounds like the same old anti-American crap you have been whinning about for the last couple months... you seriously need a hobby - something to divert the hate that for whatever reason, you feel you need to expose us all to.

I hate to break it to you - although you are fun to play with, not one person in the United States really gives a shit what you think - but you keep telling us over and over and over...

Glad to know you speak for everyone in the USA. :1orglaugh

By the way, this place is my hobby. Nice to know I'm giving you the shits though. Thank you for the compliment.

I do understand where hatred comes from. It comes from people like yourself who perpetuate it. You sit in your country and judge my country by the actions of a handful of men & women you neither know or understand. You can criticize any political system you want.

But you have taken it to the deepest level there is..and that is the personal level. The personal level of people who have no stake or involvement in this war. The personal level of people who were against the war but could do NOTHING to stop it. You think it is fine if they get killed right along with the "militarists". I guess for you that's acceptable collateral damage.

But I do NOT take pride in seeing American bombs killing innocents in Iraq. I do not find comfort that our military command will also say it's just collateral damage. And most of all, I DO NOT WISH THE DEATH OF ANY INNOCENT!

Maybe it's time YOU start practicing a bit of what you SEEM to be preaching. Why didn't *YOU* SOMEHOW stop the Aussie troops from going to war in Iraq? Why didn't *YOU* somehow stop your government from backing the war? Why didn't you do something, any fucking thing other than writing inane messages on a message board about how bad the Americans are?

Oh..that's right..you didn't do anything because there was no possible course of action you could affect to change the outcome.
Following your logic though, that won't make any difference to the terrorists and YOU should be subject to death also then!

The difference between you and I? I don't wish that upon your country like you wish it upon mine.

Since you're UP for cliche's "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!"

I think that there will be more "terrorist" attacks against American assests abroad and very possibly upon the mainland. I also think that there will be greater hatred spawned in the Muslim world and it will probably iincrease the roles of existing "terrorist orgs" as well as spawn new orgs.

I also think, and have previously so stated, that the take down of Iraq is about strategic positioning and a show of force, as being the primary reasons for this war, among multiple reasons (not the least of which Saddam has been a thorn in our side for 12 years). We are basically showing the muslim nations that we will not tolerate "terroists" and sending a loud message that if you do not control your people, we will control your nations.

This administration made it clear, and it would have been difficult to make it any more clear, that we are engaged in a war, a war that the Administration said could last as long as ten years (others have said as long as 20-30 years). The Administration made it clear that if you harbour, feed, assist in any way, "terroists" we will consider you as being "terrorists". This message, though not specifically stated as thus, was directed at the muslim nations. Bottom line, if acts of terrosim against the US are continued, ultimately, for every American death there will be a 1000 Muslim deaths and more Muslim nations taken down.

We Americans, and the world, will have to see what future events happen and what future Administrations do, but I have little doubt that, if there are continued attacks, particulary against the mainland, other Administrations will take nations down.

You are right - I cannot speak of all of America.

I've read your silly attempts to put the US down - I've see the replies you've gotten.

So I can say very, very few people in America give a shit what you think of the US - but I sure can't imagine who or why. You've never had anything constructive to say that I've ever seen, about anything, ever.

If bad-mouthing the US is your "hobby" - I guess I'll quit laughing at you and offer some pity. You must be one sorry and lonely dude.

You gotta love apologists for terrorism. People who say things like you, but are in power, reate more terrorism than anyone else, because they make terrorists think they have a sympathetic ear.

Thanks, Joe.

DAMN well said !!!


But I guarantee you it fell of deaf ears....