what sponsers do you suspect shaving?
 

ill go first

nastydollars
pornprofit
cen

you can always make a test sign up with them :thumbsup

ouch, Ars is actually one of my best sponsers..

Ohh come on guys. All per signup sponsers shave. Some perhaps more then others. Just use the ones that send you the biggest check and dont worry about ratios.

where at in ohio do you live? im northeastern, warren.

stupid threads like this makes sponsors feel more comfortable about shaving...

good job, keep it up. :321GFY

Im still promoting ars...from all the sponsors they made me the most in the last 2 years but the way their ratios go up and down from 1:100 to 1:10000 is just ridiculous. But i agree with blaze.

Most all sponsors shave

what is a sponser?

it should be SPONXOR, bitch.

Iv been getting 6+ signups a day with nastydollars, but today, I havent gotten shit. Im not saying I suspect them of shaving, but Im keeping my eyes open

PPS ones, maybe.

I haven gotten a signup with them in weeks... however today I did get one.

:eek2

They all shave!!
And if you think that sponsors with third part billing dont shave!:1orglaugh
You are fucked in the ass!

actually threads like these are good,cause if sponsers are mentioned too many times of shaving,then traffic will stop being sent,and see how fast they shape up.

..Werd

We don't shave. We never have and we never will.

not if people keep saying "all sponsors shave", like it should be an accepted fact

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I use third-party billing and tracking from CCBill. I'd love to hear how a program like that could shave.

This is actually very simple....log into your CCbill admin and click
around. You can set a variable that determines how many times
affiliates get credited with recurring members.

DynaMite :2 cents:

Every per sign up and per click program shaves... except maybe a FEW. Very sad!

Brad

Ouch. That's not cool.

Cleveland area.

ahh, i don't think that is what it was intended for. i seen that option before and with a partnership program it kinda of defeats the purpose

They all own this great Weapon ....

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/shave.jpg

I know it´s not intended for shaving......but that doesn´t mean
it cannot be used for shaving. That´s just 1 example there are
more options that could be used different then what they are
intended for.

Also there are quite a few tricks that one can use without using
the CCbill software......it requires very little creativity to come with
something.

My only point is just that third party programs/stats are no
guarantee that you can´t get shaved as a webmaster because
you can.


DynaMite

So what does that prove? That you sent your 404 traffic to Adult Movie Station all month and it sucked?



That's bullshit, no one has been accused of shaving more than ARS, and nobody has more active webmasters than ARS.

All threads like this are good for is newbies who have been getting one signup a day for a week, then go 2 days without a signup, to join together in their pissing and moaning.

We shouldn't just accept shave cause everyone does it...this is flat out theft, I have swithed to dialers and international traffic and things are going great, dialer $$ is alot harder to shave from what I've seen.

Shaving is stealing and not all sponsors do it. If a company can't make money without shaving, they're in the wrong business. :2 cents:

Well said

I agree totally, we don't shave, we don't have to.

We have realistic payouts, anyone thats paying $35 per trial is shaving for sure, there's no way.

Well said..

For someone who runs a partnership program you make some
fucking stupid statements.

What the fuck do you know how others make money?

DynaMite :2 cents:

Most of the sponsors who don't shave are like wegcash , freepassbucks per email..

My best sponsor for signups that I am sure they don't shave is SilverCash..

Nasty dollars i don't know ..
WegCash : Average 1:6 (1,10$ per email) Don't shave
FreePassBucks : Average 1:7 (1$ per email) Don't shave
SilverCash: Average 1:150 (up to 80$ signup i think) Don't shave
Nastydollars: Average 1:300 (35$ signup) Hmm dunno if they shave
Orgasmcash: I sent 15 000 persons on my site for 10 days for them and only 1 sign up very suspicious .. i'm not using them anymore
and ClickCash is a fucking scam

I'm always left to wonder with 'Hey is XXX down for you?' how
much preceived shaving is just badly written affiliate software
and system clitches.

On a popular program what is the small percentage that are
just 'lost' in the system?

we don't shave and we convert extremely well

Like I've said before you can test us out anyway you want we don't shave. period

so now you have nothing to complain about. if you don't try us out its your fault for getting shaved now

Indeed! And to elaborate, if a company can't make money without shaving...then they shouldn't be in business, period. They give all sponsor programs a bad name.

Don't accept shaved stats from any company, check your numbers against the traffic you send to Flynt Digital, you'll see that our numbers are right on.
:2 cents:

BIG PLAYERS SHAVE BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!! How else they can afford to pay $50 per sign up.

WTF? Why should anyone get paid if someone signs up and cancels? Shaving offsets the cancels that happen after you've been paid $35 - $70 for a $2.99 transaction.

Come on and face reality.

Its not like sponsors shave so they can buy Ferrari's, Lambo's and Lear's . . . . . :1orglaugh

this is one aspect of the industry that really makes me mad

You're full of shit.
TheDoc from largecash has explained the numbers at least half a dozen times on the board here.
If you think the only way the sponsors make money from your traffic is the trial + rebills then you're sadly mistaken.
If that was their only source of revenue then $35 would be a loss, but they have many ways of cashing in on your traffic.

Just because YOU can't afford to pay $35 without shaving doesn't mean it can't be done.

If the math just does not work, they should offer a different deal. They should negotiate harder on the front end but keep their word on the backend.

And, while we are listing folks who appear to shave, allow me to mention Bumble. Anybody else have experience with them?

you can't really assume a sponsor shaves because of paying $35 on a 2.95 trial theory. there lots of stuff you can do as a sponsor to maximize your income

no.. SE and type-in traffic.. the same that has been converting 1:300 with topbucks for years.

WORD