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fnet 04-05-2003 10:41 AM

Tsunami shift in Google updates crashing through your yard
 
"Get smart about xml feeds and the realtime update future, or face SE extinction."

You can quote me on that.

Have a nice day. :)

JackFoley 04-05-2003 10:44 AM

Already there, but thanks anyway.

fnet 04-05-2003 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by JackFoley
Already there, but thanks anyway.
Well, I figured there were a few... very few.

But are you offering other webmasters scripts, help, etc, particular to this?

JackFoley 04-05-2003 11:02 AM

I have a TGP that created an XML/RSS feed of the last X number of galleries submitted, but I disabled the feature when weblogs.com and other RSS sites started blocking my URL. :(

fnet 04-05-2003 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by JackFoley
I have a TGP that created an XML/RSS feed of the last X number of galleries submitted, but I disabled the feature when weblogs.com and other RSS sites started blocking my URL. :(
Right, we need the adult equivalent of those RSS pools.

NineNine 04-05-2003 11:12 AM

Anyone want to clarify this...?

Vox 04-05-2003 11:13 AM

Crap, something new I need to learn. Got any good resource sites about xml

NineNine 04-05-2003 11:33 AM

All XML is is a way of storing/transmitting data. It's equivalent to comma-delimited data files. Very, very simple stuff.

fnet 04-05-2003 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by NineNine
All XML is is a way of storing/transmitting data. It's equivalent to comma-delimited data files. Very, very simple stuff.
Close- it does have a tree node structure that helps in manipulating the data and interfacing with the presentation layer, which is important. It's also a raw grammar, and can be manipulated just like a regular expression. Extensible description frameworks are also quite helpful in semantic searches.

These are some of the <i>big</i> reasons it's important in general. In this context, we're just talking about the syndication of news, and attribution to a source.

wimpy 04-05-2003 12:34 PM

The only thing I know about XML is that I don't use it.

I've always understood XML to be not that important, at least not now.

What is this tie-in with XML and seo? I've not heard of it before. (and there's not much about seo I haven't heard of.)

NineNine 04-05-2003 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by fnet


Close- it does have a tree node structure that helps in manipulating the data and interfacing with the presentation layer, which is important. It's also a raw grammar, and can be manipulated just like a regular expression. Extensible description frameworks are also quite helpful in semantic searches.

These are some of the <i>big</i> reasons it's important in general. In this context, we're just talking about the syndication of news, and attribution to a source.

XML doesn't have to have any kind of tree structure at all. By definition, it's just a way of formatting data (a very bloated way, actually). It can be nothing but a long list of values. It DOES add another CPU-intensive layer to whatever process you're using it with, so I really question it's functionality (after being an XML developer for several years).

fnet 04-05-2003 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by NineNine

XML doesn't have to have any kind of tree structure at all.

Ok, if you say so. I'll just go tell the xslt people now. I assume you haven't had a serious algorithms course.

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so I really question it's functionality (after being an XML developer for several years).
I just looked up the word serious to see if it might have some other literary interpretation.

Hmm, wait, I thought you said SERIOUS xml developer. Sorry. My bad I guess.

NineNine 04-05-2003 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by fnet


I just looked up the word serious to see if it might have some other literary interpretation.

Hmm, wait, I thought you said SERIOUS xml developer. Sorry.

Whatever you say kid. I don't care enough to get into some kind of juvenile pissing contest with you. Now, go away.

fnet 04-05-2003 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by NineNine

Whatever you say kid. I don't care enough to get into some kind of juvenile pissing contest with you. Now, go away.

If it were your thread I'd already be gone, hint hint.

fnet 04-05-2003 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by wimpy
The only thing I know about XML is that I don't use it.

I've always understood XML to be not that important, at least not now.

What is this tie-in with XML and seo? I've not heard of it before. (and there's not much about seo I haven't heard of.)

New things are like that.

optikalz 04-05-2003 01:25 PM

http://image.bkonings.net/upload/oldnews.jpg

Ruskie scripts that handle this are already on version 4. Try CerVlad's version...its the most stable.

fnet 04-05-2003 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by linkyd

Ruskie scripts that handle this are already on version 4. Try CerVlad's version...its the most stable.

That handle what, chief?

Who is CerVlad? The only thing webferret and google pull for "cervlad" is an Italian Lion's club.

I think you're trying to pull my leg with dental floss.

optikalz 04-05-2003 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by fnet


That handle what, chief?

Who is CerVlad? The only thing webferret and google pull for "cervlad" is an Italian Lion's club.

I think you're trying to pull my leg with dental floss.

I think I've said enough. :thumbsup :thumbsup

fnet 04-05-2003 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by linkyd


I think I've said enough. :thumbsup :thumbsup

I just looked at your post history... all you do is post these stupid images in threads.

Near's I can tell you're a 14 y.o. kid who just learned how to post images. Care to say anything other than posting another thread cutting image link that will get you banned?

TheJimmy 04-05-2003 02:05 PM

Did someone say we needed mo images around here?

<img src="http://your-mother.blewme.com/fucyoucracka.jpg">

Mr.Fiction 04-05-2003 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by JackFoley
I have a TGP that created an XML/RSS feed of the last X number of galleries submitted, but I disabled the feature when weblogs.com and other RSS sites started blocking my URL. :(
Was anyone syndicating your feeds?

fnet 04-05-2003 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy
Did someone say we needed mo images around here?

<img src="http://your-mother.blewme.com/fucyoucracka.jpg">

Thanks, we needed some color.

JackFoley 04-05-2003 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Was anyone syndicating your feeds?

I got it listed in a couple places (rss pools) but for the most part I couldn't tell if it was worth the effort. Then I started posting to sites like weblogs.com and blo.gs once in a while, after an update. Those posts never pulled more than a handful of clicks, and I eventually stopped updating the XML file altogether.

Getting back on topic: some of the better search engines will start ranking & indexing XML files as well as HTML, PHP, PDF, etc. I'm pretty sure Google has been doing this for a while.

I don't know if it will revolutionize search, but it will allow users to find timely information (from feeds updated each minute/hour/day) quicker & easier than before. Imagine hitting the "I Feel Lucky" button every time you searched. :Graucho

notjoe 04-05-2003 06:13 PM

If SE's were only to accept XML then i am willig to bet they would go downhill faster than Enron.

Only commercial sites really support XML, so what about all the information the surfer really wants to find? the information which makes the SE what it is and not just an advertising medium?

Sorry, your XML theory is total BS.

fnet 04-05-2003 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by notjoe
If SE's were only to accept XML then i am willig to bet they would go downhill faster than Enron.

Only commercial sites really support XML, so what about all the information the surfer really wants to find? the information which makes the SE what it is and not just an advertising medium?

Sorry, your XML theory is total BS.

sigh. your interpretation is corny. think in terms of news, recurrence, immediacy. imagine everyone thinking that way. imagine the blogosphere being ubiquitous.

pornJester 04-05-2003 07:02 PM

i'm still trying to master cut & paste...

fnet 04-05-2003 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by pornJester
i'm still trying to master cut & paste...
GayWideWebmasters is not you, right? For a resource site, being able to lurch ahead in Google rankings mid month would seem to be crucial

pornJester 04-05-2003 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by fnet


GayWideWebmasters is not you, right? For a resource site, being able to lurch ahead in Google rankings mid month would seem to be crucial

GWW isn't me. My site is http://www.gayaw.com & doing very well in Google :)

fnet 04-05-2003 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by pornJester

GWW isn't me. My site is http://www.gayaw.com & doing very well in Google :)

Yeah I was just pointing out that he's #1 for gay adult webmaster, which is like your title. but freshbot could fix that for you.

pornJester 04-05-2003 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by fnet


Yeah I was just pointing out that he's #1 for gay adult webmaster, which is like your title. but freshbot could fix that for you.

i'm a close second on that ranking :Graucho

JackFoley 04-05-2003 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by notjoe
If SE's were only to accept XML then i am willig to bet they would go downhill faster than Enron.

Only commercial sites really support XML, so what about all the information the surfer really wants to find? the information which makes the SE what it is and not just an advertising medium?

Sorry, your XML theory is total BS.

He's not saying the SE's will go XML-only. That would be ridiculous. Look at all the formats Google is already indexing (not just web documents but newsgroups, catalogs, products, etc.) though, and you'll see why adding XML makes sense.

BTW, there are 1000's of non-commercial sites out there using XML to syndicate content, see the "Collections" links at the bottom of this page for more info:

http://www.webreference.com/authorin...uages/xml/rss/

lEricPl 04-05-2003 08:05 PM

fnet,

Dude, I would not waste your Chars on idiots like 99 and notjoe.

Do a search for some old XML threads with these guys in it...

Look at it this way...


Keep the goodies to yourself...Don't share the wealth if you know what I mean.

If these guys are too dense to image what 'could' be done...let em sink man :)


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