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Paul Markham 10-07-2016 01:21 AM

Who cares if it's 4K if it's shit?
 
The obsession with technology is getting out of control.

I like watching TV and movies, the problem is finding something decent to watch. What today compares in quality to series like Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Shield, Sopranos, etc.

SBJ 10-07-2016 01:55 AM

aww do you miss your 26" console TV that you had till last week? Or maybe you should go back to listening to the radio like you did when you were a kid cause they didn't have tvs yet.

MaDalton 10-07-2016 03:18 AM

You said the same about HD ten years ago.

Paul Markham 10-07-2016 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21205144)
You said the same about HD ten years ago.

And nothing has changed.

MaDalton 10-07-2016 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21205273)
And nothing has changed.

yes - shitty content will always be shitty content

but nobody in his clear mind would claim today that we should still shoot and watch in SD.

And the same will apply to 4K in 10 years - when I look at our early HD videos today, they look blurry compared to what cameras do now. And SD is almost unwatchable on a big screen.

Roald 10-07-2016 06:22 AM

im having a déjà vu moment....

redwhiteandblue 10-07-2016 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21205372)
im having a déjà vu moment....

Say again?

atom 10-07-2016 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21205093)
The obsession with technology is getting out of control.

I like watching TV and movies, the problem is finding something decent to watch. What today compares in quality to series like Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Shield, Sopranos, etc.


We are in the golden age of television right now. There are more good shows on tv than ever before..


Game of Thrones
Stranger Things
Mr Robot
House of Cards
Better Call Saul
The Walking Dead
etc etc

I could go on and on. While none of them in your opinion maybe as good as the ones you listed (personally I like them all more than yours except Breaking Bad) Networks are spending more money and time on developing a long running series in hopes to find the next audience as devoted as the Lost or Game of Thrones followers
.

2MuchMark 10-07-2016 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21205093)
The obsession with technology is getting out of control.

I like watching TV and movies, the problem is finding something decent to watch. What today compares in quality to series like Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Shield, Sopranos, etc.


Hi Paul,

The artists behind the shows all work together usually to engage the viewer, and sandwich the story, acting and technology to do this. So try to rip open that sandwich and look at the individual components. Is it a boring story? Bad acting? Or a subject matter you're not interested in?

If the technology is really good, you won't notice it. But if its bad, you will. A great story shot on VHS would suck no matter what because the low quality picture and sound would be a distraction nowadays.

4K is beautiful, and not just for pixel resolution. 4K and HDR can really let good cinematographers shine and add alot of dramatic oomph to a scene. Learn to love the technology.

NatalieK 10-07-2016 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21205093)
The obsession with technology is getting out of control.

I like watching TV and movies, the problem is finding something decent to watch. What today compares in quality to series like Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Shield, Sopranos, etc.

agreed...


Quality of the film isn't as important as the quality of the content :2 cents:

seeandsee 10-07-2016 08:11 AM

no good movies in last few years, or there are some?

candyflip 10-07-2016 09:04 AM

4K isn't typically about the deliverable, but about getting more freedom to do what you want in post. I understand that you're old, no longer producing and don't get it.

https://fstoppers.com/originals/6-re...w-it-yet-77535

nikki99 10-07-2016 09:52 PM

yesterday I finished Breaking Bad, best serie ever!

Spunky 10-07-2016 09:58 PM

That's how the ballers roll.they just buy the latest shit even though they don't need or understand it

romeo22 10-08-2016 04:35 AM

you are hungry you eat the zero

LatinaCamChat 10-08-2016 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21205492)
agreed...


Quality of the film isn't as important as the quality of the content :2 cents:

Anyone surprised that this disgusting cum dumpster / broke pimp are constantly in agreement with old man suffering from dementia?

NatalieK 10-08-2016 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LatinaCamChat (Post 21207199)
Anyone surprised that this disgusting cum dumpster / broke pimp are constantly in agreement with old man suffering from dementia?

:1orglaugh You've a mental problem...

This is the porn business, porn stars fuck, enjoying cum & my partner can't be broke, we live in Spain on our own income...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuHnx64WYAAvdCw.jpg


retard, get a life & check out your own latin dirty bitches before slapping me, coz I slap back, twat :thumbsup

Klen 10-08-2016 05:36 AM

Considering now every tv even the cheapest one have support for HD content, i'l guess in future 4k will be also supported on every tv. Tho not much use of it as none of TV stations emits in HD anyway.

LatinaCamChat 10-08-2016 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21207232)
:1orglaugh You've a mental problem...

This is the porn business, porn stars fuck, enjoying cum & my partner can't be broke, we live in Spain on our own income...


retard, get a life & check out your own latin dirty bitches before slapping me, coz I slap back, twat :thumbsup

Living in a trailer park in Spain on your own income of turning tricks for a couple of euros and barely paying your server bills is not being broke?

NatalieK 10-08-2016 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LatinaCamChat (Post 21207298)
Living in a trailer park in Spain on your own income of turning tricks for a couple of euros and barely paying your server bills is not being broke?

you're making a twat out of yourself...

We live in an apartment, sea views, roof solarium, private pool & 30c summer and 20c winter, raining 10 days of the year. Obvious our life's better than the obvious troll :1orglaugh :321GFY


Oh & just to rewind...

you asked why I agreed with Paul. The only & right answer to is because his post was true :2 cents:

Watch a film in 4K, but if the film's shit, it's shit!

now :321GFY

LatinaCamChat 10-08-2016 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21207346)
you're making a twat out of yourself...

We live in an apartment, sea views, roof solarium, private pool & 30c summer and 20c winter, raining 10 days of the year. Obvious our life's better than the obvious troll :1orglaugh :321GFY


Oh & just to rewind...

you asked why I agreed with Paul. The only & right answer to is because his post was true :2 cents:

Watch a film in 4K, but if the film's shit, it's shit!

now :321GFY

You don't have a 4K TV/monitor/etc therefore to you it's shit.

In reality, you have no idea what 4K movies are like, you're just spamming your disgusting cum dumpster website in your signature.

AMDWarrior 10-08-2016 03:13 PM

Bingo. Sad lol gary

NatalieK 10-08-2016 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinaCamChat (Post 21207808)
You don't have a 4K TV/monitor/etc therefore to you it's shit.

In reality, you have no idea what 4K movies are like, you're just spamming your disgusting cum dumpster website in your signature.

when did I say 4k was shit?

proven twat above :1orglaugh :thumbsup :321GFY

We, Paul or I, never said 4k was shit ass hat. And again, who's the dick head spamming? No one wants to buy anything from you cunt :thumbsup


Get your shit spammy link out of here fuck head :thumbsup

Paul Markham 11-13-2016 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom (Post 21205450)
We are in the golden age of television right now. There are more good shows on tv than ever before..


Game of Thrones
Stranger Things
Mr Robot
House of Cards
Better Call Saul
The Walking Dead
etc etc

I could go on and on. While none of them in your opinion maybe as good as the ones you listed (personally I like them all more than yours except Breaking Bad) Networks are spending more money and time on developing a long running series in hopes to find the next audience as devoted as the Lost or Game of Thrones followers
.

Some good ones there. But not Game of Thrones or Walking Dead. They're too predictable and illogical. Simple point, to oppress the loser group the winners have to execute the leaders. Rick is still alive. Walking into that trap was also comical. Mr. Robot is just your normal 18 years old's series.

Incidentally we watched Lawrence of Arabia last night. Shows why the Muslims are still too occupied killing each other.

celandina 11-13-2016 10:07 AM

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astronaut x 11-13-2016 10:11 AM

Paul, while I have always defended you (especially in regards to copyright infringement), you are really becoming the GFY antithesis of development and progress.

Bladewire 11-13-2016 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21205144)
You said the same about HD ten years ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21205273)
And nothing has changed.


Grapesoda 11-13-2016 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21205093)
The obsession with technology is getting out of control.

I like watching TV and movies, the problem is finding something decent to watch. What today compares in quality to series like Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Shield, Sopranos, etc.

the members, were you currently shooting you would be aware $.02

Paul Markham 11-14-2016 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 21297595)
Paul, while I have always defended you (especially in regards to copyright infringement), you are really becoming the GFY antithesis of development and progress.

I love development and progress but not at the expense of quality. How many 3D films were true greats? Now compare that to 2D films.

Walking Dead was fantastic, up to series 5. Then like too many series well past their best, they struggled for good logical story lines. Tudors is another series that could have been far better. Tudor times were more than just Henry the 8th's sex life. They missed out on the greatest Tudor and why those rulers had to do what they did.

Paul Markham 11-14-2016 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21297601)

Did HD bring more sales or just those that bought SD turned to buying HD? Those that didn't watch HD on a Tube.

GS has a point. In 1990 I show the content for 1990. I adapted to the changing markets till in the end, we were shooting primarily for magazines around the world, with the Internet being a backup sale to add to the profits.

Today I wouldn't even bother to shoot for sale. I would be shooting content to entertain people and make money off of ads and sites like Youtube. I would if I needed to work, but after a successful career, I don't need to or want to.

Even in SD, I would aim at the content being entertaining.

Grapesoda 11-14-2016 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 21206779)
yesterday I finished Breaking Bad, best serie ever!

when you know those guys personally the show is kinda fake.

Jay-Rock 11-14-2016 06:49 AM

4K is now..... the majority of new prosumer cams have 4K
8K will be on all prosumer cameras by 2020

But to answer Paul's question.

People who have a screen over 50 inches and sit closer then 10 ft to their television.
In HD under 10 ft away you can see the individual pixels. In 4K you can't see the individual pixels
making the image look more realistic.

If you sit over 10 ft away from a 4K TV you won't see the difference between 4K.

Its a simple answer but technically correct.

Paul Markham 11-14-2016 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 21299239)
4K is now..... the majority of new prosumer cams have 4K
8K will be on all prosumer cameras by 2020

But to answer Paul's question.

People who have a screen over 50 inches and sit closer then 10 ft to their television.
In HD under 10 ft away you can see the individual pixels. In 4K you can't see the individual pixels
making the image look more realistic.

If you sit over 10 ft away from a 4K TV you won't see the difference between 4K.

Its a simple answer but technically correct.

The problem with easy to use technology is it's easy to use.

The problem with the skills Jay-Rock and some have is it's impossible for most to use.

Watched Planet Earth 2 in whatever it is. Fucking awesome. Did I think Planet 1 was the same? Yes.

In fact seeing David Attenborough being playfully knocked over by Mountain Gorillas was equally awesome.

My entire point is 4K doesn't make a bad program good. And some seem to rely on special effects too much and creative writing, producing, directing too little.

Jay-Rock 11-14-2016 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21299533)
The problem with easy to use technology is it's easy to use.

The problem with the skills Jay-Rock and some have is it's impossible for most to use.

Watched Planet Earth 2 in whatever it is. Fucking awesome. Did I think Planet 1 was the same? Yes.

In fact seeing David Attenborough being playfully knocked over by Mountain Gorillas was equally awesome.

My entire point is 4K doesn't make a bad program good. And some seem to rely on special effects too much and creative writing, producing, directing too little.

Its true no matter the resolution. Shit in = Shit out

candyflip 11-14-2016 11:30 AM

No one cares about 4k expect for distributors and post production folks.

And those are really the only people who should, except for maybe the camera operator.

Jigster715 11-14-2016 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 21299566)
Its true no matter the resolution. Shit in = Shit out

Plus +100 for the GIGO crew.

It's easy to see Paul's comments were about the content and not the resolution.

Taking Paul's analogy a step further I've tried finding new programs on Hulu and Netflix like the shows he mentioned.

Trouble is, most are shit. The writing is dreadful and boring and the dialogs (exposition) are monotonic, meaning all have 1 voice...barely. A lot of content is that way as well today.

It's hard to sell because it is boring to watch or just like the last 5,000 scenes pumped out by the same hacks.

Grow tech, grow the art of shooting porn...please.


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