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onwebcam 09-28-2016 10:32 AM

Obama is getting the smackdown today
 
Senate Votes to Override Obama Veto on 9/11 Victims Bill

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us...bill.html?_r=0

Word is the House is fast tracking a vote in just a few hours.

GFED 09-28-2016 10:37 AM

This will be interesting.

Elli 09-28-2016 10:48 AM

Oh, snap. This could get complicated.

crockett 09-28-2016 11:04 AM

Gee I wonder where the Republican vote was when workers at ground zero were dying and needed healthcare.. oh yea there wasn't any political modivation for them to do anything so they did nothing...

SirDubin 09-28-2016 02:52 PM

Politics are now more and more complex than never, and mediaare helping them not us.

beerptrol 09-28-2016 03:18 PM

It will be interesting to see who starts suing the U.S. government

onwebcam 09-28-2016 03:49 PM

House vote 347 yay to 77 nay

mineistaken 09-28-2016 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21190447)
House vote 347 yay to 77 nay

So many evil republicans ans so less saint democrats in da house :(

kane 09-28-2016 04:50 PM

Here is what I don't understand. Say a family that was a victim of the 9/11 attacks sues the Saudi government and wins. And let's say the jury awards the victims $10 million dollars. If the Saudis refuse to pay, how are these people going to collect?

Coup 09-28-2016 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21190540)
Here is what I don't understand. Say a family that was a victim of the 9/11 attacks sues the Saudi government and wins. And let's say the jury awards the victims $10 million dollars. If the Saudis refuse to pay, how are these people going to collect?

I would assume that any US based assets that belong to the offending party would be subject to civil asset forfeiture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_forfeiture

C H R I S 09-28-2016 05:14 PM

Opens up a can o worms for sure but it would be political suicide to vote against the veto and the 9/11 families

Dvae 09-28-2016 05:18 PM

Obama once again bows to his Saudi masters.:thumbsup:thumbsup

kane 09-28-2016 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21190543)
I would assume that any US based assets that belong to the offending party would be subject to civil asset forfeiture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_forfeiture

Makes sense. It seems to me like that could be big trouble for the US as a nation. If the Saudis lose a few cases and have assets seized to pay they might start thinking about pulling their assets out of the US and that could be ugly for our economy.

Rochard 09-28-2016 06:14 PM

I think this will just be bad.

I feel for these people, and I suspect the Saudi government played a much larger role than we are lead to believe, but any lawsuit they have will go no where. The Saudi government will just bury them in legal bullshit.

At the same time, this will open up the United States to an unlimited amount of lawsuits until the end of time.

Coup 09-28-2016 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21190585)
If the Saudis lose a few cases and have assets seized to pay they might start thinking about pulling their assets out of the US and that could be ugly for our economy.

I think a flight of Saudi capital will have, negative, but only short term consequences economically. It's a small price to pay. To me, any movement towards cleansing ourselves of Saudi economic and political influence is a step in the right direction. If were actually serious about fighting terrorism then we are going to have to dismantle our interdependence with a culture that has done so much to spread the extreme wahhabist form of islam that has done so much to fuel it.

kane 09-28-2016 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21190669)
I think a flight of Saudi capital will have, negative, but only short term consequences economically. It's a small price to pay. To me, any movement towards cleansing ourselves of Saudi economic and political influence is a step in the right direction. If were actually serious about fighting terrorism then we are going to have to dismantle our interdependence with a culture that has done so much to spread the extreme wahhabist form of islam that has done so much to fuel it.

I agree.

Barry-xlovecam 09-29-2016 06:21 AM

Interesting coincidence: hours later Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to oil production cuts at the OPEC meeting.

We will see what happens if the Saudis make good on their threat to repatriate or liquidate US based assets.

Enjoy your "good news" :upsidedow

onwebcam 09-29-2016 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21191344)
Interesting coincidence: hours later Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to oil production cuts at the OPEC meeting.

We will see what happens if the Saudis make good on their threat to repatriate or liquidate US based assets.

Enjoy your "good news" :upsidedow

It will be so sad when American oil companies have to actually ramp up production, hire more workers and make a profit rather than going bankrupt.

Oil! Massive shale discovery in Texas - Sep. 8, 2016

crockett 09-29-2016 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21190540)
Here is what I don't understand. Say a family that was a victim of the 9/11 attacks sues the Saudi government and wins. And let's say the jury awards the victims $10 million dollars. If the Saudis refuse to pay, how are these people going to collect?

It goes to international court at that point or a judge in the US is forced to seize Saudi assets in the US. It would have to be one of those two options if I had to guess.

No matter what it will drag on for 20 years .


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