Gay Resources Ran By Straight Guys?
 

What do you all think about this?

Can they offer as much info as a Gay person who owns a gay resource?

Regards,

Lee

guess it depends...I mean I would guesss Labret could give some serious tips on how to make money in the gay portion of this biz. As a whole though I would think that a gay person could give more insite into the actual community. Much in the way I feel that as a BBW that is active in the BBW community I have a better insite into the mind of a BBW fan.

It's a good question. =)

Personally, I think anyone open minded could do it... be that person straight or gay... doesn't matter.

I don't proclaim to be a guru myself... but, luckily I know the niche pretty well, and parts of it I don't know... I have close friends that gimme pointers on. =)

Cheers, Eurofagboy

Lee , I think you know where I stand on that! ;) I'm a firm beliver in the gay market being run by gay folk.. however I am open to teaching the straight boys how to work it properly ;)

Also have you noticed that on many of the straight run gay webmaster sites, they don't list the big sponsorship programs that are gay run, like Queercash, Gay Revshare.com, Nakedsword.com. ChiChi Clicks, or Badpuppy? Why is that? Why is it that they all are pushing only gay programs run by straight webmasters?

Grrrrr... gets my balls up in bunch, yes it does!!

Maybe I'm biased but I think GA and I are the only ones that get it! Yeah, I know that Maxcash aint gay run, but at least they have GA running the gay side..

*coughs* I'm not going anywhere bud. =)

Straight or not.

"write what you know"

If you teach me how to work it properly, will I be qualified to run gay resources?

no, but you having sex with greg sorta makes you gay doesnt it danny? :winkwink:

I think the logic of only gays being able to do gay sites is fundamentally flawed. It would be like me only being able to target white male surfers between the ages of 20 and 25 with a university education efficiently.
Truth is, you can never rely on your own preferences, since everyone is different every market must be studied extensively before entering it.

That just sounds wrong.

Why not?
I run www.altmasters.com for Net Pond.
I been designing and marketing gay sites now for close to 5 years.

You don't have to be gay to know how to market them.
Just research and find out what makes them tick.
Just like surfers in straight sites and niches.

I honestly believe just because you're gay doesn't mean you know how to run a gay program any better than a straight person. I do however believe gay people do have better insight on how to attract gay men, hell my gay buddy who cruises for porn always tells me he can tell when a straight guy wrote a text ad and when a gay man did. If you have a good work ethic and some good ideas I think you can succeed in any niche in this industry.

DH

Heheh. now thats funny!!

Had a blast in Phoenix.....

I've been running gay sites longer then most gay webmasters
and we have won two AVN online awards for our gay sites and do a ton of sales daily

it's all marketing you either get it or you don't .
it has nothing to do with being gay, straight or whatever.

wait, are you saying you DON'T love the cock Roger?

Im confused. :helpme

I think it depends on the person.

If we were to say that only gay webmasters should run gay resources (or a gay website or program). Then you could also make the argument that only black webmasters should run black sites/programs/resources. Only Hispanic webmasters should run Latina/Latino sites/programs/resources. And so on and so on....

Sure!!!! :Graucho

I like Tim, and he has sort of a point...

But I'm a bit disappointed that after he hung around with me all weekend, knowing I was straight, and listening to me talk and act...

That he still had that mindset.

Poo on u Tim.

NOOOOO Drew, my mindset is that while it is ok for straight folk to run gay sites, I'm just sayin' that being gay sure as hell helps..

Also I am wondering why so many so called gay resource sites only feature straight owned gay sponsor programs.... We could go on and on and argure about it, but to be honest I think there are gay webmasters who resent some straight webmasters for trying to muscle in on their territory without thinking about anything but the almighty dollar. And these same webmasters use the words faggot and queer and gay in pergorative terms on this board and it's about time this stops.

Ugh, you'd expect people who work in this biz to be less homophobic that the rest of the world, but I guess not..

Because almost all gay resource are created to make $$$ 1st, and inform 2nd.

These straight owned gay sponsor programs, generally pay more for referrals, than the gay owned gay sponsor programs, because those let their sites speak for themselves...

i.e. badpuppy.

your point is ?

Labret's Gay right :thumbsup

Ugh.. Badpuppy... Hmm I suppose you heard about why Badpuppy wasn't around in Phoenix this time? Drama from them at the last Internext with them!

Nope they dont ;)

GA hasnt worked for MC for around 12 months now :)

He's finally working on his own stuff and the time he has put intot his im pretty certain that webmasters will be making a killing in the next few months fro their gay traffic whether they are themselves gay, straight, one-legged or otherwise.

Im not actually sure it is homophobia, i mean, to a point i think it is but, what i find REALLY weird is that if you can show pics of women getting fucked by a fist, a dog, and the pics of ******* with no comment then why cant a pic of a naked bloke have received the same type of reception? Crazy world we live in i guess lol

Danny, Ill give you a first hand experience if ya want bud lol

You know what gets me more than anything else though, out of ALL the gay resource sites out there, be it http://www.altmasters.com http://www.gayaw.com or http://www.gaywidewebmasters.com it would seem there is very little posting from the straight guys, i wonder if its because they think that they will be labelled as gay just for making a post on a board?

Kinda makes you think about the industry.

Regards,

Lee

and just so theres no confusion here...

I just outed Manny The Tranny ;)

Regards,

Lee

i agree with you am jeff.

the problem is that a lot of guys don't take the time to their research properly. like was mentioned above, i can usually tell when a site has been set up by a straight webmaster who hasn't done his homework. The language used is invariably of an 'outsider looking in'.

on the other hand many of the straight sales reps i've met who've dealt with gay sites have been really kewl to get to know cuz they've done their homework and are knowledgable about the market they're selling into.

They were, Karl is from Badpuppy.

He was there... on the gay seminar panel, far left.

And yes, he is quite the drama queen

Yep, there is division in the biz, and I think part of it has to do with resentment from straight owned companies trying to muscle in on the gay market without doing research. Then they go and fuck things up for everyone and leave a bad taste in peoples mouths making harder to find some good gay porn paysites...

Ack ! Forgot that GA is out on his own.. good for him =)) I can't keep track of all the goings on of everyone in the biz.

Phoenix Forum pics are soon to come. Oh and there may even be some gay people in them!! LOL

Um, no Karl is from Bedfellow.com not Badpuppy....

But yes, he has a tendency to be a control queen.. =)

blah, I meant bedfellow in my above post...

Aye, I havent seen badpuppy in a LOOOONG time. =P

Think it was fresh in my head, I have a BP pop-up on my screen right now. =P

There better be a pic of me in atleast 1... =/

Ummm...

No disrespect is meant for any of the panelists on that gay seminar but...

It WAS complete shite.

Lets take a look at a couple of the questions i was actually around for...

Q1) How many gay resource sites can they name?

A1) None

Q2) Should penis development programs be marketed to the gay audience?

A2) No

Q3) How should tours be laid out in respect of the content.

A3) Mix up the content to cross sell all the niches.

I think that pretty much sums up my reasoning behind why the seminar wasnt the best it could have been.

Its actually strange, the ONLY seminar panel that Aly from Python wasnt on that she should have been was one of the worst of the whole forum lol

Regards,

Lee

/me fires up the photoshop 7.1 and searches Altavista.com media search for pics of Drew

Oh goody :)

At least at the next show ill know who to letch over.

Speaking of which, wheres Eric? I need a kiss on the lips from him instead of a kiss on the cheek next time hahaha

Regards,

Lee

good luck, next time, just take a pic of me!

It's one seminar that would do better as a round table rather than looking at people up on the stage... Well, also it kinda burns my booty that only sponsors can be seminarians! :mad:

this thread is gay...

I actually beleive at the Montreal show GA will be one of the speakers.

Still to be confirmed but i put his name forward to Faye anyway and he has been chatting back and forth with her lol

Just to persuade Faye to put on the seminar too Mwahaha at least thats one sure-fire way to ensure i dont get to drunk in the monring lol

Regards,

Lee

Well said. As long as you do your research on any niche you have the ability to market it well. I'm sure most of us promote niche content that we haven't experienced ourselves.

Ugh, well it looks like I have two of European Lee and none of Drew =/

Hmm maybe if you had drunk more and had a big boobed girl next to you?

http://www.gaywebmaster.biz/phoenixf...s/DSC00748.JPG


Speaking of which... Where can I find a cheap or free thumbnail maker for these darn pics?

LMFAO!

I actually managed to get leslie into the Coach + Willies sports bar after we left the gay party too :thumbsup

Damn she was funny as all hell.

Regards,

Lee

Yeah she was fun, nice rack too!! :1orglaugh

Smalleranimals.com :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

This assumes people of a certain background know the most about that background. Maybe that's true but there's some value in the perspective of an outsider. Specially if that outsider comprises a huge % of the overall market. I base this on my experience with the ethnic niche.

Interesting question. I've had something similar brought up to me as a straight female who specializes in writing Gay (male/male) Erotica. Many people don't think should be writing these types of stories because I don't have the experience or the knowledge to write this stuff; but I think I do ok. You can learn a lot by observation and talking with people.

Just because you don't follow the trade doesn't mean you can't peddle the goods. If that were true; Horror writers, most romance writers, and any fiction writer couldn't sell what they write because they didn't have the proper experience for people to believe they could do a good job.

I agree. Straight people can do great job promoting gay sites.

I don't think the orientation of the person matters as much as their knowledge of the field and how to promote it.

i was thinking the same thing..lol

I would never be able to design a gay site ...

I really don't like the niche and I wouldn't have good ideas . So I don't think I could run a ressource ...

I'm not really homophobic but it still turns me off

one designer refused to design a gay site

Rock on Girl!

Fiction is the province of imagination, not experience.

j-

if you have dealt with a certain niche for a while you can pick things up. so sure why not?