The result of this wrong war
 

I've recently found http://www.aljazeera.net/news/arabic/2003/3/3-22-26.htm and was shocked. Innocent people die in thie wrong war.

Very good observation. It's now conclusive that innocent people die in wars.

yes it is horrible that innocent people get hurt and killed in war.
Saddam Hussein is responsible for those deaths, the blood is on his hands, but he has slaughtered thousands and thousands before. This war will save 1,000 times the lives that are lost in this war.

The U.S. is beginning to pummel the Republican Guard. With any luck this war will be over in a month or two and no more bombs.

The Iraqi people are beginning to understand that the Coalition really is there to liberate them from Hussein.

Of course they are also there for the oil :Graucho

and of course, latest estimates by the Red Cross and other organizations are that so far, the leading cause of deaths in Baghdad since the war started are.....

Iraqi anti air munitions falling back down to the ground

It's getting very tempting to start an ogrish-like site.

From the reports I've been hearing and seeing, this is very true. Civilians are leading soldiers to Baath offices and also giving quite a bit of information. The coalition is also considering arming civilians (with recovered weapons) to help fight, but only after more trust has been gained.

Looks like they're making some progress in Southern Iraq. Cool stuff.

something on the news this mornig about the US recruiting Iraqi-Americans to go over there and participate in the rebuilding and liberating of Iraq. They didn't say what they would be doing though.

Yeah, good to see the Iraqi civilians believing in us at last. After we left them hanging last time, its no suprise they took some convincing

Now that's just pathetic

I've read that, too.

Remember last week when there were reports flying around that thousands of relocated Iraqi's were coming back into the country to help fight against the coalition? Did you ever hear the rest of that story?

Those Iraqi's were not living in the United States, not Australia, not England, and not even France... those Iraqi's were in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Lebanon and the like trying to find a safe place for their families and also finding jobs. They were still Iraqi's!

Where's the propaganda coming from now? :winkwink:

Being a veteran, the bottom line is death occurs in war....it doesn't discriminate against age or gender.....it boils down to my life or theirs regardless of their age or gender.....

They are fuckin fanatics over there.....that regime has no regard for human life much less the quality of life.....

The blood of innocent civilians is on the hands of Sadam and his fucked up followers.....

yeah, although there are some fanaticals moving bak in to Iraq to fight along side the RG. Fine by me. I say lets call a cease fir for a week so every Al-Qaeda asshole can fly into baghdad and stand nice and close to the RG divisions. Makes every bomb we drop kill more bad guys.

Not only on the hands of Sadam but on the hands of Bush who started this war for oil. Not Iraqi military forced kill innocent civilians but American bombs kill them. Bush just find a pretense to start this blood war for OIL. Who give him the right to start this war? This is not his country and this is not his problem.

Now many people in different countries show their protest against this blood war for oil.

I understand that opinion of many American people about this war depends much of American TV news channels. But from my side I see that American news channels filter the information - they only show those facts that are benefitial for the Coalition (because it is very important for the Coalition to justify their wrong actions and their crime against the people of Iraq).

Sorry for my bad english - it's not my native language.

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Bush should send the military crusading all over the middle east to turn the heathen muslims into good god fearing christians. It's for their own good.

People die in wars?!?!?!?!!!!!

lol YEAH lets just turn our backs and let saddam to continue killing thousands of people for the hella it, i mean, we'd HATE for the world to have such a bad impression of us thinking we're all for oil! we'd rather let people die than projecting such a greedy image!

idiot

I can't believe how many people keep repeating this tired old bullshit without checking any facts. Here's a fact for you: the United States gets most of its crude oil from <B>Canada</B> Yes, Canada. Here's another fact: Iraq's oil makes up only about 3% of our imports. Hold on while I try to find specifics...

OK, here:
Canada: 18.9% (2.082 million barrels/day)
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...
Iraq: 3.3% (366,000 barrels/day)

(Figures as of December 2002)

There is no evidence to support your ludicrous claim. Even if we wanted his oil, we can't have it. We don't have the shipping infrastructure, the refining infrastructure or the raw manpower that would be necessary to cart away all of Saddam's oil. Even if we were to take over Iraq and make it the 51st state, which isn't going to happen, your assertion still wouldn't make anys ense. Saddam has been fucking us and the UN around for over a decade. Oil prices were just as bad or worse during the first Gulf War and we didn't stay to take his oil then. We're not in this for the oil this time, either.




And many more show their support. You hear a lot of negative crap because it makes for better sound bites. Do some research, the United States has a lot of support on this. Not 100%, obviously, but not the 0% some would like you to believe.


This is pretty funny. I have noticed that a <B>lot</B> of the anti-American sentiment is coming from Russia and former Soviet Bloc countries. One thing these guys keep saying is how the <I>American</I> media is lying / filtering / misrepresenting. This is really a riot coming from people who got all their news from Pravda until a decade ago.


Your English is not bad, but I think your grasp of the situation is pretty weak.

SpaceAce

Yawn.

You don't have to "steal" oil for the war to be about oil.

Is it any wonder that even the dumbest American can succeed on the world stage when the competition are jokers like this fool?:1orglaugh

sorry dude.. but I can't let this pass - this is so disingenuous.
one reason America only imports 3.3% of it oil from Iraq?
THEY ARE UNDER SANCTIONS ENFORCED BY THE US! through the UN of course though.
Using a import statisitic has absolutely no bearing on his argument that the war is for oil, I mean if it was for Iraq's oil, wouldn't the whole point be that he wasn't importing enough of it?? :)
And it doesn't change the fact that importing the oil for domestic American use means squat when people are aguing that Bush is "big oil" meaning giving American companies access to the oil is just as significant a factor.

the MUCH more relevant fact is that Iraq has the 2nd largest known oil reserves. If you're going to argue that it's not for oil then argue about the fact that they're second only to Saudi Arabia.
It's like talking about how it's not about oil because their oil production is at "x%" whilst fully knowing that the reason they only produce that amount of oil is that the infrastructure was ruined in the first gulf war and they're only allowed to produce so much.
I just don't see that line of argument convincing anyone because it isn't relevant.

Besides, paying some brown person $2 day to pump oil probably makes it way cheaper than those pinko commie socialists to the north.. all the more profit without half of it going to some canuckistani's universal health coverage. :)

hahaha, a person is saying this who lives in Belarus, which is not that different from Iraq's regime. Isn't Lukashenko a close friend to Saddam

Belarus needs to be liberated from its dictator. :ak47:

have you not seen the movie South Park?

It's obvious Sadaam has ties with Satan himself.

LOL...I love that movie

P.S. And apparantly he is GAY

cause its not. Im pretty sure I read somewhere that the oil $$ is going to be thrown back into Iraq's economy to get them back on track.

yeah..yeah..yeah

The war is NOT about the oil you fucking idoits..
If we needed the oil bad enough.
It would cost us billions less, just to lift the embargo and US lives would be saved.

Talk about innocent deaths in this war?
Innocent people always die in wars.
Look how many "innocent" people died in WWI, WWII, Korean, Vietnam, and hundreds of others wars. But all died for a good cause, some not.

I guess, in YOUR opinion.
The millions "innocent people" that have died during Saddams regime don't count...eh.??
Did you forget how many millions of "innocent" Iraqi's he and his regime have murdered, gassed, injured doing his 25+ years of power??


Go back to fingering your anus and come back when you have polished up on your english, history and facts.
Then maybe we'll talk to you.

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"Same old song" that justifies your illegitimate actions.

When are the US going into Comgo: 3 000 000 dead civilians at the hands of a miltary dictatorial regime in the past 5 yeard.

Warning: no oil in Congo, only people... Go liberate them, after all your are the peace loving troops....

What about all the inncocent Kuwaiti's murdered when he invaded his Islamic neighbor.

Oops....keep forgetting that one too huh?

Exactly. I have this feeling those numbers are going to change in favor of Iraq...

And BTW, if you take away any source of oil, it affects the whole world ( yes, theyre are other countries aside from the US) :

just lately, the strike in Venezuela...

OH yes, he kills his people and cuts tongue ... Scaryfable to tell your kids at night...

You are a dumb fuck.

It's not about the oil.

Isn't it funny? They have doctors to save the lives of the "wounded", but yet think nothing of gassing tens of tousands of people and killing them, and think nothing of killing their own if they refuse to fight.

and Bush is an angel ... right?

Quote:

The Iraqi people are beginning to understand that the Coalition really is there to liberate them from Hussein.

FUCK OFF!

let me explain...
Saddam's biggest mistake was when he began to sell oil on EURO, exactly on 6 november 2001. It was an act of courage, that time 1$~0.8 EURO (so he lost some BIG money). after that the $ falls.. and falls .. and falls.,. and now 1EURO~0.9USD
that's why he started this war, so the world will keep the USD as the global accepted currency...
SO IT"S ALL ABOUT THE OIL and the articifically maintained USD
read this and convince yourself:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=118008

I love it when assclowns trot out a false story and then point to it a week later as their proof.:1orglaugh

We were leaving that to the mighty canadians. You know, the ones who didn't want to be used as props *again* in a real war.:1orglaugh
Take your aircraft carriers down to the congo and take charge!
(oh, wait. you don't have aircraft carriers do you?)

well, shit, hop on aircanada, fly over there and save the congo. (oh, wait. aircanada just went bankrupt)

hmmmmm, I guess your impotence could very well explain the bitterness you spend on your betters.
:1orglaugh

What is the criteria for a "legitimate" war?

you are still gay, wait let me find my own very informative post about it so I can show you its true :1orglaugh

get lost fuckface... have you read that post? do you have solid arguments to deny it? then shut the fuck up and eat the shit CNN feeds you every fuckin' day....

Huuummmmm ... Let me think .... What do countries do .......
Do they have an organisation.... Huuuum.... I think there is a building in NY....... Hummmmmm, probably to store servers.....

Ohhhhh! Just found it. We make a proposal to a group of countries and we get their approval. Then our war operation is legitimate.... I think it is called UN... not sure tough

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Your answer is proof of your idiocy.

WE are not at war and don't want to, and we do not proclaim that we liberate people.

The US does that. so when are you goiing to liberate the population of Congo. After all, you are the one that brings this " liberation shit" in your justification of war....

If you have no intelligent answer, abstain.

What makes the UN THE de facto organization that decides the legitimacy or illegitimacy of military action?

If it is, why have so many countries in the UN been involved in military conflicts without it's approval including the US, UK, USSR, and China?

Which conflicts of the literally hundreds since the founding of the UN were legitimate? If there are hundreds of conflicts that occured without UN approval and only a handful that occured with it, doesn't that make the necessity of the UN's approval a sort of silly idea?

Note: there is NO UN resolution AGAINST the current conflict in Iraq. That would make it more illegitimate but it is clearly a matter of degree. The UN attempted to pass a resolution againt the USSR's invasion of Hungary and Russia just vetoed it. They exercised their veto power "legally" and I suppose that made it legitimate. Correct?

There is not much history AT ALL of countries getting PERMISSION from the UN to go to war. Where does this idea of needing international approval attached to a concept of "legitimacy" come from?

Your country flew combat missions in Kosovo.

A war of "liberation" that did not have UN approval.

You are the idiot here. Good ole' USA probably killed far more people than any other country.

And wake the fuck up, there are worse dictators than Saddam. Why isn't Bush "freeing" those people?

Its funny how the media here says the iraqi people are getting more and more hateful towards the usa, and us media says the opposite.

conclusion: none of us fucking know.

While you're obviously researching, just check out what the US had to say about that

Good guess. Some are getting more hateful, some less.

It's well known that Iraq is winning the propoganda war, he sets his own citizens up to be killed.

He has recently created small military command stations in schools, hospitals and other public places then fires upon our troops trying to force us to return fire, this would of course cause civillian casualties which is what Saddam is hoping for.

These innocent deaths ARE horrible and tragic, but the blood's on Saddams hands, he put them in harms way intentionally.

Wake the fuck up.
No matter how fucked up your dictator is, if another country came over to bomb the shit out of your beautifull capital city you would be pissed!

1. That was off the top off my head. Funny you'd assume that someone would have to research a very important conflict of the 20th century. See Warsaw Pact for why.

2. I don't care whether the US thinks something is legitimate or not. I care about whether I do.

3. No shit. People that are opposed to conflict but are unwilling to pay the price or are incapable of stopping it cry to international bodies and claim the acts are illegitimate. The US did it in 1956. You are doing it now.