The New Yorker States that the CIA and MI6 Lied about WMD in Order to Get their War!!
 

New Yorker Article


Click on above link. Here is a telling excerpt from the article:


The Bush Administration?s reliance on the Niger documents may, however, have stemmed from more than bureaucratic carelessness or political overreaching. Forged documents and false accusations have been an element in U.S. and British policy toward Iraq at least since the fall of 1997, after an impasse over U.N. inspections. Then as now, the Security Council was divided, with the French, the Russians, and the Chinese telling the United States and the United Kingdom that they were being too tough on the Iraqis. President Bill Clinton, weakened by the impeachment proceedings, hinted of renewed bombing, but, then as now, the British and the Americans were losing the battle for international public opinion. A former Clinton Administration official told me that London had resorted to, among other things, spreading false information about Iraq. The British propaganda program?part of its Information Operations, or I/Ops?was known to a few senior officials in Washington. ?I knew that was going on,? the former Clinton Administration official said of the British efforts. ?We were getting ready for action in Iraq, and we wanted the Brits to prepare.?

Interesting read...

fuck. sorry, we'll recall the troops now.

So what? Saddam is a saint now? Let's all send him presents (non electrical offcourse) and let him kill some more because someone found an article. We really going to post urls to articles again? Man.... if you would read all articles on the net about the war and about the past 10 years concerning the US, Iraq, the UN one would believe we are a planet full of neanderthalers. Don't start to dig up every article that 'proofs' that the war isn't what we think it is. It's plain and simple...... the Saddam regime is DANGEROUS and has to be removed.

I tought it was about WMD, and liberating the Irqis... Also, that 9/11 was their fault...

Probably read the wrong newspaper and threads...

I dont think the president will put the country in jeperdy just cuz he wants to pick a fight with saddam.
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I'll summarize the story...

The CIA forged fake documents to make it look like Iraq was buying nuclear weapons from Niger (in Africa)... This info was used to sway officials and the public in the USA and UK to attack Iraq, but now we know it was clearly fabricated information, and the FBI is looking into the conspiracy.

If I remember correctly, The New Yorker is quite the liberal publication...

Love a guy with an open mind !:thumbsup

Chill out... all governments are potentially dangerous... look even the great USA forges documents and provides its citizens with false information... Thanks to the CIA :thumbsup You worry about Saddam so much when your own country is fucking you up the ass.

I Said the same thing months ago..
People called it a conspiracy//

New Yorker Prints it..
Its ok to believe it.

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HaHA

So that means they make things up?

Even if Saddam wasn't buying nuclear weapons..... don't you think he needed to be removed along with his sons and his regime? Don't forget that bunch of lovely guys upthere killed innocent people every single day. To me it isn't all about nuclear weapons, it's about a fucking madman with alot of power that needs to be stopped.

Hmm... I don't remember saying that.

CNN, Fox, and NBC are all cast aside because they're "conservative".

Hey, I'm just pointing out a liberal publication. You make your own assumptions. Looks like you already did.

I'm from Belgium and my country doesn't fit in my ass the last time i tryed. :) Anyway, should proove you that also non-americans DO approve of this war. I personally think it's pretty hypocritical of my own governement that they condemn Saddam every single day on the news but on the other hand are talking about "how wrong the war is". Im' pretty sure that if we gave Saddam another 5 years we would be in much deeper shit then we are right now in the middle east.

You shouldnt be talking so harshly about the Bush family. They are really a bunch of swell fellas.

you can't be a real "foreigner". according to GFY, the United States has absolutely NO support in any part of the world, whatsoever.

stop lying.

Don't you get it? How can we trust "our" leaders when they say that Saddam is dangerous and needs to be removed when they rely on forged "evidence" to back up their claims? How can we further trust what is reported when the US administration ADMITS that MI6 and the CIA routinely pass propaganda (i.e. lies) to the mass media?

When you add to the mix that the intelligence communities of most other nations (except the UK and Israel) say that Saddam is no threat and when the UN decries the war itself, then does that not imply that there MIGHT be an alternative reason for this US war?

Like OIL PERHAPS?!?

It's about Oil and Empire and nothing else.

Uhm....... i was talking about Saddam lol.... but i guess he's also a very caring guy. Did you see him on tv giving that kid an aple?

looking at your point of view, it appear that there is no chance of forgery, deciet or lies in any other part of the world, only in the US.

could it possibly be true as well that other countries are lying to cover their asses, or that they are merely lazy bitches?

politics is politics, and all politicians lie.

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I stated in other posts that every governement has it's own dirty pool. Most other nations say Saddam is no threat to them. This might be right but that doesn't mean the world should just close it's eyes to the fact he kills Kurds and Iraqis because they don't think the same way he does. Like i sayd before.... to me they didn't even have to come up with nuclear weapons, the reason i stated is more then enough to get him out of his chair. But we all have our own ideas about that and i respect that :)

Who is making assumptions?

Yes. All liberals make up newsstories, kill children and rape goats. Didn't you know that?

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it's ok i still love ya

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Classic!

calling nbc conservative is like calling this thread accurate.


Why didnt we take that oil in 91 ?

this proves that the american brainwashing machine works on foreign sheeps too... welcome to the club!

Why would we? Wasnt the stated objective the "liberation" of Kuwait? Was there a reason to push into Iraq?

Im guessing you were around 10 in 91.

Kind of funny. Republicans act like Clinton committed an act of treason about lying about a blow job, but when Bush lies to get a war, a war that has already created millions of enemies around the world and thousands will die because of it, the typical response is 'so what, all politicians lie'. Fucking hypocrites.

Fight fire with fire? :Graucho

On the other hand, the USA is not even close to martyrdom.

Oh wait, forgot about 9/11 :glugglug

Wow convenient :thumbsup

Did you really read all the replys in this thread? I never ONCE sayd i am convinced that Saddam is/was buying nuclear weapons. I sayd the fact that he is killing his onw people and the kurds is enough for me to get him out of his chair. You see, i'm not like "well, it's not happening to me so fuck it"........ nope, i care when little children get killed because they are born kurdisch and Iraqis get killed because they don't think the same way he does. Sure, war also kills innocent civilians, i'm aware of that. But 2 months of war doesn't kill asmuch people as 5 years Saddam i think. (if the war lasts two months)

G.W.Bush????

"Why would we? Wasnt the stated objective the "liberation" of Kuwait? Was there a reason to push into Iraq? "

That was the objective and thats what they did, but the left said it was just about oil.

Now the objective is regime change, destroy wmd, liberate iraqi people.

So if you are saying the govt didnt lie in 91 and stuck to their objective, why do you think they are lying now and its just about oil?

Anyway bro... that doesn't mean I have to accept it! Fuck that! I want the truth!

"The truth is out there."
"Fight the Future!"

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my point is, you really can't argue something that you're just as guilty of, it sets a double standard.

not saying this has anything to do with 9/11, i think any sort of tie between today's war and that are very loosely related, if at all. the only ties at this point would be the al-qaeda fighters apparently coming in to defend iraq now, and you could relate saddam's joy of the incident.

but that doesn't prove anything, saddam didn't have to do it to be happy about it, and the al-qaeda (SP?) could easily just be looking for a way to attack the US again, and saw it as a "target of opportunity"


but seriously, how many people know honest politicians?

Who gives a fuck what YOU think about the war. Fact is the U.S. said this war was legal based on a U.N. resolution that said we could attack if they didn't destroy all WMD's. If they forged the documents to show proof of WMD's do you think they are going to tell the fucking truth if they find none? This war is "legal" internationaly based on FALSE documents. :321GFY

Fight Fire With Fire.

Burn a church today.

i'd like it too, maybe we can make a petition :)

Did I say its just about oil?

Why do you think they liberated Kuwait to begin with? Cause we like them? Or was it because the Bush family had oil interests in Kuwait? And then the massing of Iraqi troops on the Saudi Arabian border stunk of even more oil coming into Saddam hands shortly. Kuwait was about oil and stability plain and simple.

Ill give you a myriad of reasons aside from oil for the "liberation" of Iraq.

Each one will probably confuse and dazzle you and have you scrambling for google.

I hate arguing with you as I almost feel bad after its all over. And then you come scrambling back for more. Just swallow your pride and move along. You bore me.

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well, while it's not good that forged documents were used, it wasn't entirely on our hands.

our job was not to prove that saddam had wmd's, it was saddam's job to prove that he didn't and/or had destroyed them.

They probably don't trust google.

I never said that forgery is only relegated to the US. In fact, I point out that the UK also forges through MI6. The first casualty of war is always truth. And most countries dole out the propaganda in spades.

However, the US is the only superpower left in the world and therefore we do become the most dangerous threat to world peace if we allow our leaders to lie to us about the reasons for war. If Bush said we should attack Canada tomorrow, I am sure the American people would be behind him. We are in danger of becoming a facist state.

I stated we all have our own ideas and i respect that.... obviously you don't. And to your "Who gives a fuck what you think" then give me one good reason to why we should care what you think? You are just another dubmass that can't have a normall discussion. Prooves that your iq equals your shoe size. Why sucha reply anyway? You want everyone to have the same believes you do?

Exactly. A five year old could figure that one out. I don't know how some of these people are able to dress themselves in the morning.

why would we want to attack canada?

the only thing i want from canada is those speed limit signs that say "maximum 100"

besides, they have no respect for roadways up there. in canada, they're too wussy to blast the mountain. the road goes over it, making it a total bitch if you're towing.

here in the US, we blast through the side of it, and make things easier for everyone :thumbsup

Lets see, maybe the fact that you said this.

"Like i sayd before.... to me they didn't even have to come up with nuclear weapons, the reason i stated is more then enough to get him out of his chair. But we all have our own ideas about that and i respect that "

I didn't say you can't have your own opinion. I said what the fuck does it matter what you think about who should do what. The government isn't listening to your ass and could give a fuck what you say. You can have your own idea and stance and disagree with me but the context of your posts is justifying this war based on your beliefs. Go tell the U.N. why you believe in the war. Maybe they'll change their minds. This war was not about liberating shit until it already started. The endless spill of shit GWB gave everyone all the way up until the first boom was we have to get WMD's away from Saddam. He had to start on his propaganda to make the sheep think the whole war was about freeing Iraqis. Now when the war ends GWB will be talking smack about how his plan to free Iraqis was successful while our troops are getting hit with suicide bombers and opposition even though we "won".

you need a dose of your own advice!