Baltics urge Nato to keep Putin at bay
 

The head of Estonia’s army has urged Nato to set up “a speed bump with spikes” to deter Russia from developing military ambitions in the Baltic states.

General Riho Terras called for the “strongest possible signal” to be sent to Russia that the alliance would respond to an attack on any of its members by invoking article 5 of its founding treaty, under which all the others would be obliged to come to its defence.

Baltics urge Nato to keep Putin at bay | World | The Times & The Sunday Times

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Tell me when to laugh.

What mental disease those people there have? Why would Russia need them at all? Every occupation is expensive and Russia have land to develop for next hundreds of years. If there is a war that they want so much, they would stop to exist in a matter of hours anyway and no one would save them. So better trade ,work and enjoy life.

Today Russia would not be able to do anything that could seriously hurt Europe...

Not so long ago Russia was a third world shithole... they are not a shithole anymore...
Although the economy is not doing so great at the moment... the differences between today and 20 years ago are huge.

It is clear that Russia allready made his first steps on world stage participating in geo-politics. They started flying over other's territories; They took The Krim; and made a change in Syria by simply ignoring the rest of the world. They all watched and didn't do anything. It's not a serious threat today... but Europeans should be alarmed enough to look around in todays world and try to understand what's happening and where they are standing...

America is still a world power but it's not the World power anymore that it was 25 years ago. It's power slowly crumbled off and with latest debacles even more: their middle east
actions. America is more and more becoming politically introvert... self centered. They are on their way to stop caring about Europe's savety... Well... not that they don't care... more that don't want to pay and fight for that anymore.

After WW2 America militarized and became the dominant force in the world exporting their ideas about open economies etc and acting like Europe's guard-dog. Europe de-militarized and focussed on creating their social welfare-states instead.

With all respect... but the seperate small uncoordinated European armies are a joke... they can't do shit on world stage. They can't make a difference in Geo-politics and they CAN'T protect themselfs!

China is also allready stepping up the world stage participating in GEO-politics... they are building an army and fleet and allready started to claim certain territories around them...
They are expanding too...

What is Europe doing in 2016? The seperate coutries are re-fueling their pathetic nationalism; wanting to be small and meaningless again; making themselfs an easy prey for a couple of non-ignorable potential powerhouses that allready showed their interest and ambitions in participating in Geo-politics.

If America turns it's back on Europe... Russia will slowly start to prod in Europe's belly...
Slowly starting to gain more influence.... there really isn't much Europe could do... Things could change faster then one might think...

Now Europeans complain and cry about being governed by un-elected European Bureaucrats

Our children will complain and cry about being governed by non-elected Russian Autocrats

The people of Europe lack vision... They lack the ability to look ahead 20 years...
They fail to understand the world they are living in and the potential risks that suround them.

A whole European generation doesn't know what war is; doesn't know what poverty is.
They all have this feeling that their wealth is granted to them by the rest of the world.
They all think that their position and wealth are eternal realities.

Nothing lasts forever...

You all go vote Exit... and enjoy your nationalism for a while ...at the same time... don't forget to sign up for your courses Chinese and Russian language

I wonder why the Baltic nations think that they have something to fear from the "Russian Bear" (</sarcasm>)

I thought Putin was all 'peace,love and understanding' :1orglaugh

That said, Russia could steamroll the Baltic states before NATO would react militarily. So, sword rattling is really pointless -- kind of like being the bait worm on a hook :2 cents:

"Don't you dare eat me I will call my big brother."

So that is why they occupied parts of Ukraine - because they do not need it and also wanted to waste lots of money on it, as well as get bad reputation. Got it.

You are officially delusional (in regards to your claim that Russians will rule Europe in 20, or whatever +-, years). :helpme:error
You had some point in "together we stronger", but went way to the fantasy land with this one.

You should know very well well what is occupation. That is something when (for example) you go all around the world, unload tons of bombs an kill shitload of people that don't want you there. Now compare that with Crimea where no one died and with some basic info relevant to this ,like : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea and how it go for Russian population under Ukrainian pro nazi government . Small reminder :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQYIhwFtsUE

This is what i mean when i say that some people:
-Can't look 20, 30 , 50 years ahead;
-Can't see certain important developtments (A) in the world today that could possibly lead to (B) or (C)...

because they:

-Think that everything Always stays the same and that their wealth is an eternal reality given by God or something....
-Think that other nations in the world would never anticipate on strengthen their positions
at the expense of other nations.
-Think that the world is one big happy friendly fairground without any competition at all

If things are beyond your imagination... if it's too hard to grasp or believe... that doesn't make it delusional...

Grab a history book sometime.... and see how many people were thought of as delusional.

Together we stronger? You would need a single coordinated European army to face all challenges that are coming in the future and to keep our positions in the world. Positions in this context are equal to: acces to natural resources; secure trade; maintain access to markets... etc...

Why do you think America has it's huge army? You really think America's wars are about moral issues like democracy and freedom? They are wrapped as a nice gift of course and sold to the emotions of the people as moral issues, but in fact it's all about Positions. You can't blame them for fighting for their interests... you also can't blame others wanting a bigger piece of the pie....

>Today Russia would not be able to do anything that could seriously hurt Europe...

or do not want?

>Our children will complain and cry about being governed by non-elected Russian Autocrats

are you satisfied non-elected brussel Autocrats ?

100% WRONG!

Speaking about the same Baltic states, Soviets occupied them without war as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupa..._Baltic_states

Killing shit load of people is not a requirement for the occupation.
Ridiculous argument...

Are you threatening? ; did I hurt your nationalistic feelings?

I make sure politics don't affect my live too much... I couldn't care less personally which cockroach pulls the strings... I can dismantle my "life" within 2 hours in case of needing to flee an upcoming shithole event and resume it the minute after I land... Can you? Or do you need to apply for a visa and credit first?

Soo.. you think no one died during the fighting in Ukraine? Do you also not remember the civilian airliner the Russian backed rebels shot down?

dont fuck with Putin in general.. he will bomb your country and beat you up.

America has never won a war...people who claim that europe is doomed if the usa turns its back are amusing...

Remember ww2? Pussies went to the pacific and nuked some fishermen and its been downhill from there...

Then they took tons of asian tiny penis in korea and vietnam...

Then they fucked up the middle east ...

You think they can help against russia? LOL

How do you mean they never won a war??? Lend Lease act, Atlantic Charter...
It is why you can even find a McDonalds in the shithole you are living in:thumbsup

Where did you miss the part where i said that, watching current events, Europe needs a single coordinated army to secure it's future?

A bunch of paranoiac idiots. They still can't accept the fact that nobody cares about them and nobody wants them.

Parts of the Ukraine? Are you talking about Crimea? It always been a very important strategic region of Russia on Black Sea. If you forgot, the whole Russian Black See fleet is based there. Actually Russia has never hidden its intentions to get Crimea back, as well at the Crimeans themselves never wanted to live in the Ukraine. Now tell me why would Russia want to invade a bunch of Baltic shitholes? Every action needs a reason, right?

1) It was Soviet Union, not Russia. So if Nazi Germany has occupied Czechoslovakia at about the same time, should Czechs and Slovaks be afraid of Germany today and scream that Merkel could invade them in 48 hours? According to your perverted logic, they should.

2) Baltic countries were annexed to be used a as a buffer zone between USSR and NAZI Germany. Today in ear of nuclear weapon, ICBM's and cruise missiles, all those buzzer zones are absolutely useless, because war tactic has changed very dramatically.

Serbia - took 8 days to surrender in WW2
France - 45 days.

And some say french are pussies. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
http://i.imgur.com/HD08s8k.jpg

Estonia: "You could invade us!"
Russia: "We don't want to invade you."
Estonia: "No, we know you want it!"
Russia: "Sorry, but we don't."
Estonia: "Please, please! Tell us you want it!"

tiny shit hole yugoslavia lost more soldiers in ww2 than the USA did...the USA did not take part in WW2 except for fighting tiny dick asians in the pacific, and losing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


they never ever won a war...

Threatening?:1orglaugh How?

perhaps this fear is not bad sold for Western public

I agree that occupation does not have to be only by direct force (although there are always some casualties, direct or indirect) . I live in country that is occupied by other means (but all together results are same like military occupation) and that is nothing new. Example you gave above is specific from many reasons, mostly because of the beginning of WW2. But when people are AGAINST foreign presence but they can't resist, I would call it occupation.

What I wanted to say regarding Crimea (I guess you were talking about it in your post) is that it was annexation. There were no violent deaths and population wanted that. There is important military base for years and until recently (from historic perspective), Crimea was part of Russia. If someone had enough deaths , that are Russians. Leaving people to nazis undefended was something that you can't expect to happen.

We all saw blood thirsty savages that took power. That crazy Pornoshenko is still talking about war in latest statements. Fact that there were 12 000 defectors from Ukraine army says enough what people there wanted.

Real example of occupation is Kosovo.When someone goes around the world, blackmail country in a way that they can't accept and then destroy infrastructure and bomb people (thousands of civilians) and do that for 80 days. Once they are in, occupational forces help and approve forcing over 230 000 people out of occupied territory. Once it is done, you keep military base so region remains in that status. I don't want to mention that it was direct help for Muslim terrorists. I guess you see huge difference between those two examples.

:2 cents:

The war would have been lost if they hadn't fucked up the japs in the Pacific and without supplying tonnes of supplies, food, materials etc. to the allies.

Bare-assed russkies were getting their asses handed to them, throwing up millions of citizens as walls of cannon fodder.

So tiny Serbia that already lost huge % of male population in WW1 was attacked by : Germans, Croats, Hungarians, Italians and Bulgarians? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_occupation_of_Serbia

They had balls to say NO to Hitler, just like they Did to Ottomans in 1389 or NATO in 1999 and just like did to Stalin in 1948 when it was a matter of hour will soviets crush country .

Not saying that is smart move because most of population is terminated with those decisions but your statement is clearly malicious. Comparing France that is much bigger and richer country is unfair. During whole ww2, Serbs fought against Nazis. Small Yugoslavia had more casualties than USA. Once again, small reminder:



There are three concentration camps where people were executed during occupation, near my place (few km form my place) and those places are terrible. Serbia was bombed by Germans but also by allied forces that made almost same damage to the cities.

Blah blah blah son. I will repeat - it took you 8 days to surrender. 8 fucking days! You lost people because they dropped their weapons, kept on running and got shot in the back. Japan is a tiny country but went into full pledged war with the US, invaded Manchuria, Philippines and bunch of other places.
Fucking Bulgarians took over Macedonia in matter of hours. Bulgaria !!!!
And don't give me thar bullshit about WW1. After WW1 Germany was decimated. Had no army or air force, yet rose from the ashes in matter of 20 years. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Thats what you get when you fight moderns day weaponry with sticks and stones. Your so called "Royal air force" was flying old British planes from 1700's :1orglaugh
The only thing you were good for is to lick Axis' asses and guard their camps. The talent you cared forward into 20th century. Long live Chetniks!

Japan is tiny country? Japan have over 120 millions of people compared to 8 mil in Serbia. Japan is surrounded by water compared to landlocked country surrounded by hostile nations. "Fucking Bulgarians" were on axis power side. Your comparison is pretty frivolous in a same way as I would say: Look what Chinese guys did in 20 or 30 years compared to you. And they didn't invade anyone to get there. Is that somehow comparable? I guess it is not. Different history,circumstances, surrounding, mentality.... You are talking about fanatic nation that had things like kamikaze...what Japanese did is separate story. Especially to Chinese population.

About dropping weapons: weapons were dropped by croats , slovenians, muslims...where they were and what they did in incoming years of WW2, you probably know very good.

Anyway, as usually, this is not about arguments,logic and good will to accept something. I am leaving you and Crusificio in your eternal fight of stupidity and provocation until someone goes to sleep. :Oh crap

USA = spectators in WW2 ---------> :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

almost ,,,,,,,, wait............

Dumb ass. In 1940's Japan was a 70 million feudal state and kamikazes didn't come into play until it was pretty much all over for Japan. Do you ever read or watch WW2 documentaries, moron? First kamikaze attack happened in october on 1944.
You are unintelligent buffoon trying to argue with history buff. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
The only wars you "were victorious" in is when you fought on Russian Czars side. Everything else you lost to Ottomans and even Bulgarians in 1800's. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh All you good for is raping women and building concentration camps. :321GFY

Actual craigslist listing.

"For Sale: Mint condition original WW2 Yugoslavian rifle. Brand new. Never been fired, been dropped once."


http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/668443-3/Yugo+POW_+1941

Your uncultured communication says a lot about you. Insulting and cursing people around looks like a huge lack of basic home education and absence of parents in the period when you needed them most. At first, I didn't believe that you don't understand what was written above. But then, your simplified and naive logic in other posts makes me think that you are not pretending at all.

Let me tell you in a simplified manner.

1. 120 compared to 8 millions was used as measure of proportion ih potential. No one thought that Japan had 120 millions back than just like no one wit a little brain would thought that Serbia had 8 millions back in WW2. Even more simple for you : Japan (as you said, I wasn't checking) had 70 and Serbia had slightly more over 4 millions. Was this really necessary to explain?

2. In a same way as your failed to understand simple thing that was explained above, you failed to understand why I've mentioned Kamikaze. Let me make it simple for you, again : Kamikaze show level of fanaticism and commitment of those people. Illustration in difference in mentality.

When I put all together, no wonder that you believe in any kind of media crap you are served. I guess you still believe in WMD, right? When you mentioned camps (oh that reminded me to american camps for Japaneese back in ww2):

WWI was started by a Serbian dipshit, for a sad sack little country of peasants they have caused the world a lot of grief.

tiny "surrendered in 20min" yugoslavia still lost more soldiers than the tourist ass USA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


list of US victories:

grenada :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Seriously, there are still people who believe that WW2 started because of Serbia, especially if it is dipshit. Why would someone go to world war because of it?

Incredible in what kind of crap you guys believe. Something is extremely wrong with your education.

https://s5.postimg.org/hbo6d0uyf/201...7_225382_1.jpg

Thirteen months before the Assassination in Sarajevo and fourteen months before the Austro-Hungarian declaration of war to Serbia on the 28th May 1913 the Governor of BiH Oskar Potiorek sent a letter to the Minister of Finance, Leon Bilinski, to Vienna. The content of this letter convincingly testifies about intentions of Austria-Hungary to begin the Great War.

In the letter, published today in the Department of History of The Andrić Institute in Andrićgrad, Potiorek states that ?as the main task of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy must be seen in the systematically preparing for, in a few years, the inevitable Great War that will be fought in extreme and severe situations.?
?It is interesting that during this quiet, better to say the preparatory period, we must try to create a tolerable relationship with Serbia. Of course, it would be a grave misconception, if we believed that, even at the cost of the greatest courtesy in the foreign and internal policy, we could achieve to make Serbia a reliable ally.
If, as it is likely to be, we do not use the current situation to unite Serbia with our Monarchy, at least in the form of trade, customs, and military convention, in order to make Serbia harmless, then we will have to unconditionally count on that this country will in every war, that is to come, fight with as an open and bitter opponent on the side of our enemies,? says the letter.

Potiorek says that we also must take into consideration the fact that Serbia will use this period before the war ?to prepare the ground for themselves for the future war in Bosnia, Dalmatia, Croatia and southern kingdom of Hungary.?
?We should be satisfied if we manage a rural Serb population be hold in its lethargic state, and if we prevent Croat and Muslim intelligentsia and half-intelligentsia from crossing over to Serbian camp, to hold the unification of all the South Slavs, what is a common aspiration of people that are on anti-dynasty basis, ?says the letter.
Potiorek states that this, in his opinion, will be the ?Rule book for the conduct of our government towards local Serbs for upcoming period.?

?Peasantry should be treated with respect and caution, also, as much as it is possible we should support its economic interests, and where necessary they should be treated with ruthless severity. With intelligentsia and half-intelligentsia we should be compliant, but not above the measure that could lead to distrust and dissatisfaction among Croats and Muslims.

The highest principle must be and remain, that is to rely on the ones mentioned last, so that in the whole country in general and in the Assembly will govern the Croats and Muslims, and Serbian opposition should be accepted as something that can not be avoided, ? states Potiorek?s letter.

Regarding the issue of ?obligate serfdom redeem in?, Potiorek points out that with that should be ended, because ? only a mention of this issue at the last delegation meeting very irirtated Muslims.?

?Your Excellency knows, that I would also support the ?obligatory redemption of serfdom?, as soon as the foreign crisis definitely straightens. But while this straightening is being ?postponed?, I must firmly advise you to desist from this action.
After all, when the time comes for that we will not have enough money for it, because our military preparation, construction of railways, investments ? will deplete our financial power to the utmost, ? says the letter.

Potiorek states that he could not agree with the proposal of ?creation of a Faculty of Philosophy and a Faculty of law? in the shortest possible time, because in that case, he says, regardless of the large financial outlays, we will have problems with undisciplined high school pupils and also with analog college-educated students.
?First of all, we have to put in order our high school students by extermination of teachers who ban politics, creating boarding school ? Also, high school students should wear uniforms based on galician model, but I still have not decided about that,? the letter states.

Potiorek points out that, in his opinion, the most essential thing is to create a normal situation in Croatia, ?because if Zagreb begins to gravitate towards Belgrade ? instead to serve as a counterweight for Belgrade, the danger will be eminent.?
Potiorek adds that he will submit as soon as possible a list of the completed political state processes, as well as those that are in progress, and he also expresses doubt that he will ever be in a position to propose amnesty or abolition.
?Something similar I have done in the first year of my residence here in order to clear up the last remnants of the annexation, but the success has been negative, because in this country leniency is always interpreted as weakness,? says Potiorek.
Oscar Potiorek was an Austro-Hungarian general, who from 1910 preformed duties of the Army Inspector of Austro-Hungarian troops in BiH, and from 1911 was the Provincial Government of Bosnia and Herzegovina and because of that he had an extensive written correspondence with Vienna.

Originally, he was germanized Slovene and, according to some opinions, he showed a great hatred towards the Serbs. He was present in the car in which the Duke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Duchess Sofia was killed in June 28, 1914 in Sarajevo.
Leon Bilinski was the Austro-Hungarian Minister of Finance, who at the time of written correspondence with Potiorek was responsible for BiH.

Nato, EU, and the media they control (about every single mainstream media outlet in Europe) are the only ones who keep talking about Russia, while there is nothing to worry about. The propaganda is retarded and forced.

exactly. At the same time, no knows how much real terrorist entered this part of the world.

Look up this general he seems like a pretty cool guy

So why he acts like an attention whore then?

Not related to thread but it is to what you wrote above, it is incredible how news that go out are formatted in manner suitable for retarded population. For example, look at this shit:


ISIS have released terrifying new video making threats against America

ISIS makes threats in sickening video against San Francisco and Las Vegas | Daily Mail Online

https://s5.postimg.org/4bh0ubxrr/govno.jpg

Of course, they won't say that these are their friends from Bosnia, who were helped and armed by NATO when it was suitable for NATO goals. This scum is speaking on clear Bosnian (That language don't exist just like their "nation ". It is invented to give them legitimacy ). I will use this opportunity to send greetings to Paul Markham and his view of Balkans where muslims there are some poor, threatened and peaceful people form a fairytale.

What famous person doesn't? That's what fame is

That is not fair .... :mad:

They did invade successfully GRENADA ... ! :winkwink:

invading a 130sq mile island is officially an act of cowardice :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I bet it took the navy like 10 days to find the mother fucking speck on the map :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh