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  • Paul Markham
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    • Jun 2001
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    #1

    Brexit, The UK votes LEAVE

    This is the end of rule from Brussels for the Brits and for others who have the guts to deny the Centralists who want to rule Europe.

    What next for the EU?



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  • JamesM83
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    #2
    I don't follow "external" politics but I was honestly shocked to hear the results!


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    • rogueteens
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      • Jul 2006
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      #3
      I don't care what politicians say, if they had listened to the peoples problems with the mass immigration then the vote would have been very different.
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      • wehateporn
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        #4
        It's almost 6am, I'll need to go to bed now, I hope I'm not dreaming

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        • Bladewire
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          #5
          Originally posted by wehateporn
          It's almost 6am, I'll need to go to bed now, I hope I'm not dreaming
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          • k0nr4d
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            • Aug 2006
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            #6
            Congratulations to the British!

            That being said, the referendum doesn't mean shit - it's not legally binding in any way, so the powers that be can just completely ignore it. There is already talk in the EU of banning referendums too because of course you cannot allow something as small as the will of the people to stop socialism...

            In Poland it WOULD be legally binding, if frequency is over I think 70%
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            • Bladewire
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              • Aug 2003
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              #7
              Originally posted by k0nr4d
              ... you cannot allow something as small as the will of the people to stop socialism...
              Sounds like Bernie Sanders


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              • NemesisEnforcer
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                • Aug 2003
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                #8
                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                This is the end of rule from Brussels for the Brits and for others who have the guts to deny the Centralists who want to rule Europe.

                What next for the EU?
                The EU needs a civil war to negate Article 50 and keep the UK in line.
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                • Rochard
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                  • Dec 2001
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                  #9
                  I thought this was a done deal and that the UK was going to stay. Went for my nightly bike ride, came back, flipped on the news.... And everything had changed. Interesting.

                  I'm sure it will be all over the news in the morning here in the US.
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                  • Bladewire
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 56220

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rochard
                    I thought this was a done deal and that the UK was going to stay. Went for my nightly bike ride, came back, flipped on the news.... And everything had changed. Interesting.

                    I'm sure it will be all over the news in the morning here in the US.
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                    • Paul Markham
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                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #11
                      The next step is for other countries to have their referendum. I think France will be next, Holland, Denmark, Austria, will follow.

                      Because with all the rear tactics of losing trade, the Brits have replied clearly. EU Trade Deals are still leaving us poorer. Not because of those deals, because of all the other laws we get imposed on us. We can Trade and still discuss Crime, Terrorism, Environment, etc. It's EU bureaucrats who were throwing up walls that benefit no one except the people employed inside the EY bureaucracy.

                      Can Europe trade freely without a small group of expensive paper pushers milking the system? Of course it can and that's all we need, the rest is what we would like.



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                      • Paul Markham
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                        • Jun 2001
                        • 52942

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rogueteens
                        I don't care what politicians say, if they had listened to the peoples problems with the mass immigration then the vote would have been very different.
                        Mass migration benefits the politicians, why should they listen to the victims?



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                        • k0nr4d
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                          The next step is for other countries to have their referendum. I think France will be next, Holland, Denmark, Austria, will follow.

                          Because with all the rear tactics of losing trade, the Brits have replied clearly. EU Trade Deals are still leaving us poorer. Not because of those deals, because of all the other laws we get imposed on us. We can Trade and still discuss Crime, Terrorism, Environment, etc. It's EU bureaucrats who were throwing up walls that benefit no one except the people employed inside the EY bureaucracy.

                          Can Europe trade freely without a small group of expensive paper pushers milking the system? Of course it can and that's all we need, the rest is what we would like.
                          Czech Republic mentioned about a referendum too. I'd love for Poland to leave as well but that won't fly here, too many people brainwashed. France won't leave EU, them and Germany are behind this whole mess.

                          GBP took a huge hit - which I think is good. UK was once a manufacturing superpower, now there's closed factories everywhere. Lower valued GBP will improve exports.
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                          • k0nr4d
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                            Mass migration benefits the politicians, why should they listen to the victims?
                            I bet if the brexit vote was only for ethnic brits, it would have been 70% leave...
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                            • klinton
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                              • Apr 2003
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                              #15
                              don't spread lies ;-) it's 50 %
                              Originally posted by k0nr4d
                              In Poland it WOULD be legally binding, if frequency is over I think 70%

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                              • klinton
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                                • Apr 2003
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                                #16
                                yes, british factories will be a great competition for those from China, India, Korea, Brazil and Turkey
                                </sarcasm off>
                                Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                GBP took a huge hit - which I think is good. UK was once a manufacturing superpower, now there's closed factories everywhere. Lower valued GBP will improve exports.

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                                  • k0nr4d
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by klinton
                                    don't spread lies ;-) it's 50 %
                                    You are right, my mistake - I was sure it was 70% though


                                    Originally posted by klinton
                                    yes, british factories will be a great competition for those from China, India, Korea, Brazil and Turkey
                                    </sarcasm off>
                                    20-30 years ago, UK was producing cars, car parts, and tons of other shit. Poland was too. The EU ruined everything and now we buy everything from Western Europe...

                                    The EU and EURO was created by Germany as a means of devaluing their own currency so they could export more goods as a benefit to their own economy...
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                                    • NickBaer
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                                      #19
                                      Talk of Northern Ireland having a Vote on re-unification with (southern) Ireland.
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                                      • Relic
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                                        • Paul Markham
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                          You are right, my mistake - I was sure it was 70% though

                                          20-30 years ago, UK was producing cars, car parts, and tons of other shit. Poland was too. The EU ruined everything and now we buy everything from Western Europe...

                                          The EU and EURO was created by Germany as a means of devaluing their own currency so they could export more goods as a benefit to their own economy...
                                          How much of Southern Europe's debt. Was spent buying German products?

                                          The UK still produces cars, not as many as Germany and they don't sell as many to
                                          Germany as Germany sells to the UK.

                                          David Cameron has resigned. So te new Government has to go to EU countries and speak to their unions and companies to make them force the EU to keep trade flowing two ways on an even basis. A Norway style deal is unacceptable and only for the good of the EU bureaucrats.



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                                          • klinton
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                                            • Apr 2003
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                                            #22
                                            only partially true.
                                            biggest exporters in the world: China, Japan, Germany.

                                            where are your clothes are made, if you buy them in most popular "european" shops, shopping for them in Poland, Spain, UK, germany, whatever ? in Bangladesh, India, China, Pakistan. this has nothing to do with EU.
                                            "we buy everything from Western Europe" - only partially true. Poland has strong internal market and Poles are competitive guys ;-)
                                            Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                            You are right, my mistake - I was sure it was 70% though




                                            20-30 years ago, UK was producing cars, car parts, and tons of other shit. Poland was too. The EU ruined everything and now we buy everything from Western Europe...

                                            The EU and EURO was created by Germany as a means of devaluing their own currency so they could export more goods as a benefit to their own economy...

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                                            • Paul Markham
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                                              • Jun 2001
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by NickBaer
                                              Talk of Northern Ireland having a Vote on re-unification with (southern) Ireland.
                                              Southern Ireland suffers if that border is closed.



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                                              • Paul Markham
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by klinton
                                                only partially true.
                                                biggest exporters in the world: China, Japan, Germany.

                                                where are your clothes are made, if you buy them in most popular "european" shops, shopping for them in Poland, Spain, UK, germany, whatever ? in Bangladesh, India, China, Pakistan. this has nothing to do with EU.
                                                "we buy everything from Western Europe" - only partially true. Poland has strong internal market and Poles are competitive guys ;-)
                                                Anyone with an ounce of sense knows a balanced trade deal is the most beneficial for the West. It stops dead countries like Bangladesh, India, China, Pakistan and Czech Republic dumping goods and services on the richer Nations. Putting millions out of work, on low wages, part-time work, etc.

                                                But it doesn't suit the owners of the corporations and Germany.

                                                The problem is the Third Word has no intentions of only making things like clothes. What happens when companies like Apple, Microsoft, Boeing, GM, spring up in China, owned by the Chinese? And if you don't think that will happen, you must be living under a rock.



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                                                • k0nr4d
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                  only partially true.
                                                  biggest exporters in the world: China, Japan, Germany.

                                                  where are your clothes are made, if you buy them in most popular "european" shops, shopping for them in Poland, Spain, UK, germany, whatever ? in Bangladesh, India, China, Pakistan. this has nothing to do with EU.
                                                  "we buy everything from Western Europe" - only partially true. Poland has strong internal market and Poles are competitive guys ;-)
                                                  Yes, germany is big exporter. Here's polish milk sold as german product in china...
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                                                  • klinton
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                                                    • Apr 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    hah......
                                                    so you say that there is no milk in that milk for polish producer ? I honestly dont think so and they earn what they earn.
                                                    I also saw polish food being sold in China branded as - polish food. many examples of that.
                                                    just like in Saudi Arabia etc.
                                                    Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                    Yes, germany is big exporter. Here's polish milk sold as german product in china...

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                                                    • klinton
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                                                      • Apr 2003
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                                                      #27
                                                      its XXI century, not XIV.
                                                      I bet that you enjoyed through the years "dumping prices" of cheap Czech models.
                                                      If you are patriot like that, you should employ only UK models or pay the Czech ones UK money
                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                      Anyone with an ounce of sense knows a balanced trade deal is the most beneficial for the West. It stops dead countries like Bangladesh, India, China, Pakistan and Czech Republic dumping goods and services on the richer Nations. Putting millions out of work, on low wages, part-time work, etc.

                                                      But it doesn't suit the owners of the corporations and Germany.

                                                      The problem is the Third Word has no intentions of only making things like clothes. What happens when companies like Apple, Microsoft, Boeing, GM, spring up in China, owned by the Chinese? And if you don't think that will happen, you must be living under a rock.

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                                                      • pimpmaster9000
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                                                        #28
                                                        brexit is the intellectual equivalent of trumps wall...

                                                        the real problem is that nobody wants to employ expensive westerners...this will never change...

                                                        nobody wants to invest money in a company that employs expensive westerners, investors want the most bang for their $$$....this will never change

                                                        nobody wants to produce goods with expensive labor and crippling regulations in the west...this will never change
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                                                        • editeur
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by editeur
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                                                            • emill
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                                                              #31
                                                              eu will be dissolved like SFRJ history teaches us

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                                                              • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by emill
                                                                eu will be dissolved like SFRJ history teaches us
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                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                                  its XXI century, not XIV.
                                                                  I bet that you enjoyed through the years "dumping prices" of cheap Czech models.
                                                                  If you are patriot like that, you should employ only UK models or pay the Czech ones UK money
                                                                  We did pay Czech models UK rates. We came here because of their looks, not prices.



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                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                    brexit is the intellectual equivalent of trumps wall...

                                                                    the real problem is that nobody wants to employ expensive westerners...this will never change...

                                                                    nobody wants to invest money in a company that employs expensive westerners, investors want the most bang for their $$$....this will never change

                                                                    nobody wants to produce goods with expensive labor and crippling regulations in the west...this will never change
                                                                    So who will buy the goods when Western workers are unemployed?



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                                                                    • klinton
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                                                                      • Apr 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Robots !
                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                      So who will buy the goods when Western workers are unemployed?

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                                                                      • klinton
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                                                                        • Apr 2003
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                                                                        #36

                                                                        Originally posted by editeur

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                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                          • 52942

                                                                          #37
                                                                          This is the first step for Europeans to regain control of their countries. We've seen the damage the EU is doing.

                                                                          The Euro was the biggest cock-up ever.

                                                                          The CAP is to keep farmers voting for the politicians offering it. It has forced up the price of food.

                                                                          Mass migration is a catastrophe.

                                                                          The endless red tape coming from Brussels has to be stopped.

                                                                          Corruption and fraud are endemic in the EU.

                                                                          The EU is unable to present its accounts for auditing.

                                                                          The biggest problem is the people committing the cock-ups. Are gaining strength and want to rule Europe. And all we need is a trading agreement. The EU trades with many countries it has nothing else to do with. No reason for the same deal with Europeans nations.



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                                                                          • klinton
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                                                                            • Apr 2003
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            like the countries outside EU would be free of corruption

                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                            Corruption and fraud are endemic in the EU. .

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                                                                            • klinton
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                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                              • 8766

                                                                              #39
                                                                              if thats true, I give you Your Honour back ;-)
                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                              We did pay Czech models UK rates. We came here because of their looks, not prices.

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                                                                              • Scott McD
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Has Merkel commented on this yet ??


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                                                                                • galleryseek
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Next up? TEXIT! And then taking this idea of secession all the way down to its logical conclusion: the individual.

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                                                                                  • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                    So who will buy the goods when Western workers are unemployed?
                                                                                    I am not against westerners having high paid jobs or anything like that...I am just addressing the factual reality that nobody wants to employ them or invest in a company that employs them for obvious reasons...building a "wall" does not solve this in any way...

                                                                                    trade agreements go both ways...you can not protect domestic production without hurting exports...impose a tax on imports = expect same tax imposed on you for your own exports...it goes both ways...always...

                                                                                    oh and nobody will buy the goods...you are spot on with your argument, the only problem is capitalism wants its money NOW...it does not matter what will happen in 20-30 years...you take the money NOW and run or you do not take the money and somebody else does...

                                                                                    interesting times are ahead....
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by rogueteens
                                                                                        I don't care what politicians say, if they had listened to the peoples problems with the mass immigration then the vote would have been very different.
                                                                                        Yup, its also another bullshit layer of government, who also doent pay attention to, the wishes of those they rule

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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                          like the countries outside EU would be free of corruption
                                                                                          It wouldn't be taxpayers money that's stolen.

                                                                                          Are you for being ruled from Brussels or from the Parliament only your country can vote for?

                                                                                          Trade is great, but look around you and see how much we buy from outside the EU. So it's not as if we wouldn't trade with each other without the EU. When we sell goods to any country they have to conform to that countries rules. The idea of having one set of rules for the EU is good. So long as there aren't 1,000s of bureaucrats whose jobs rely on constantly coming up with new rules.

                                                                                          https://fullfact.org/europe/two-thirds-uk-law-made-eu/

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                                                                                          It's a mess.



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                                                                                          • arock10
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Perfect timing for a Europe trip... Let's crash those currencies into the ground guys...
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                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                              I am not against westerners having high paid jobs or anything like that...I am just addressing the factual reality that nobody wants to employ them or invest in a company that employs them for obvious reasons...building a "wall" does not solve this in any way...

                                                                                              trade agreements go both ways...you can not protect domestic production without hurting exports...impose a tax on imports = expect same tax imposed on you for your own exports...it goes both ways...always...

                                                                                              oh and nobody will buy the goods...you are spot on with your argument, the only problem is capitalism wants its money NOW...it does not matter what will happen in 20-30 years...you take the money NOW and run or you do not take the money and somebody else does...

                                                                                              interesting times are ahead....
                                                                                              It's this simple. Balanced trade deals. For every $ you sell, you buy a $'s worth from us. This way you protect domestic production and boost exports.

                                                                                              I lived in the days when we made clothes and electrical goods in the UK. We had less poverty and less living on the Governments tit.



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                                                                                              • scarlettcontent
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                its not a fair system at all. only 52% want to be out. it should have to be 70%


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                                                                                                • NatalieK
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                  This is the end of rule from Brussels for the Brits and for others who have the guts to deny the Centralists who want to rule Europe.

                                                                                                  What next for the EU?
                                                                                                  I hear since this morning, Britain's already poorer than France & the French are sending all their refugees over to England, taxes are rising & Spain wants Gib back. As for the Brussels ruling, that was never the case. The EU top dogs were a group & not just ruling from Brussels. Now Britain's going to find cost of living goes up as they purchase from international countries like Germany, rather than from the EU.

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                                                                                                  • TheDA
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by GspotProductions
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                                                                                                    I'm not sure how things will change from Brits abroad, but I'm pleased I'm not living in the UK now, The prisoners island
                                                                                                    You could actually be one of the worst effected by all of this. Who is to say Spain don't kick you out? How long have you been domiciled there now, less than 60 months?
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