multiple processors? ccbill or epoch?
 

just curious how many people out there use multiple processors for their site. i think it's always important to diversify, but even on one site, how do you implement the operation of multiple processors?

who's the best processor? i've heard all good things about both epoch and ccbill. tough decision :)

ccBill all the way... i haven't used epoch, but know that epoch has had troubles in the past... ccBill has taken very good care of us for 3 years now, never a late payment or bounced check... and, they are always at their phones for support..

I don't believe in using multiple processors. It can't be done without ripping-off affiliates, and screwing our industry on overall chagebacks. (That's the short version, I've gone into the details enough times before.)

Get one good processor, and make the best of what they offer. I recommend CCBill.

if you have any specific questions about ccbill, feel free to icq me

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I will be happy to help get you any answers you might need...

i have read a lot of good things about epoch as well, if you do a seach for "Processing Princess", you can find out their icq/email contact info as well, if you have any questions for them.

very professional as always, corvett..

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Although I don't really know anybody at epoch... I have to say.. that CCBill rocks... I just know Doug over there.. and he has ALWAYS been there... that alone.. makes them a great company.

If you do not have at least two processors for your business you are losing money. Period.

I've heard good about both and experienced excellent service with one.

Epoch, Epoch, Epoch. I have had merchant accounts for years, and they're about as close to having your own merch as you can get for flexibility. Just make sure you triple-check all your paperwork and setup, they can overlook things and be a little sloppy in terms of organization. But their processing has been rock solid for us, great tech and customer support. And EXTREMELY flexible for creative marketing and billing. Two thumbs up.

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we use epoch, wts, ccbill.

CCbill all the way... been with them for 3+yrs and I'm very happy, except for the check part

I use Globill as primary and Ibill as backup.

Serfs can have short or longterm issues with one or the other.

You can adjust the %/$ on your affiliate program to reflect their loss to the backup.

I use Globill as primary and Ibill as backup.

Serfs can have short or longterm issues with one or the other.

You can adjust the %/$ on your affiliate program to reflect their loss to the backup.

The backup usually get 10-15% of total

Not true Busty2.com use Epoch and Ibill l all they do is have separate tours which are listed on the webmaster / affiliates page choose the correct code point it to the right tour and there you have it. Affiliates can choose Ibill or Epoch . We signed up under Epoch and not one single problem.

From our experience i would suggest you use Epoch and back them up with CCBill and even use Globil as a third processor. Just not on an affiliate tour is all !!!

Cindyxx

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I've always done better with sponsors that use multiple processors.

With that said, Epoch kicks ass. Every sponsor that I have pushed using Epoch has yielded nice results.

It CAN be done using the right script. Without it, you're costing you and your affiliates 10-15% in sales.

Both are good for cards, but don't use them for checks. Use both with a good check processor and you're solid.

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CCbill... there really is no other choice.

I'll take Either One is Great for 500 Alex.

gothweb: I don't see why using a backup processor would be stiffing your affiliates - just have the backup signup link be the affiliate clickthrough URL for that processor. You need to do some extra tracking to know which affiliate sent you the surfer (rather than letting the billing company handle it), but it's not that difficult.

I'm toying with the idea of a dynamic system which tries to spread signups over two or more processors. After being forced to cancel all my PSW Visa rebills at short notice I don't want all my eggs sitting in one basket. Affiliate signups will have a fixed primary/backup (for reasons of trust), but search engine or bookmarker surfers will have more traffic pushed to the backup(s).

Thanks Corvett! :)

Here is how I decide this very important question:

1) what processor converts better on what country? (ie CCBill might be better on Canadian traffic than Epoch)

2) what processor is likely to be around for a few more years? (A very hard question, but a very important one)

3) What processor offers the most services? (what types of cards etc and what languages they support)

4) What processor has their join pages up and workng the most? (another crazy question, but if you poll each processors join pages from around the world like we do, you would be surprised with the results)

and

5) How hard is it to integrate the processors systems into your sites? (take my word for it, some processors are plain painful)

Now this isnt the entire list, but it is a good start :winkwink:

BTW - I obviuosly disagree with gothweb on the multiple processor point, and I wholly agree with what KK said. YOu need more than one processor guys, even if its just in case one of them goes broke

Good points.

Conversions are so important and that is why we set our own scrubbing levels and block the countries we do not want ourselves. Doing this has increased our conversions greatly and our chargebacks are still low. We have different scrubbing for different sites. After having our own merchant accounts, we would not do it any other way.

Our processor is flexible and was very easy to integrate with. We use their API processing so we can do easy upsells and cross-sells as well.

Sputter

I beleive that 2 processors is the way to go. Find the one that helps you keep the most $ at the end of the month and use the 2nd best processor to back-up the first.

And... I love bullet points. Here we go:

1) I would love to know this myself. Each processor has their strengths and weaknesses. I would say you can't go wrong using Epoch and CCBill. MPA2 can help show you the way.

2) Research the threads and you will find out that Epoch has always promoted long term business against short term gains. The strongest IPSP's in terms of features, thru-put, and service are Epoch and CCBill. No question about it.

3) I can't speak for other processors, but, if you want to see what Epoch has to offer your biz check out http://www.epochsystems.com/sales/ . If you don't see what you need... ask.

4) Epoch has done everything imaginable to insure optimum up-time. We have guys that once worked for NASA and Visa as part of our team. Uptime is not just a WM concern. An IPSP makes $ when you do. Uptime is mandatory. Epoch is available by phone and email 24/7/365.

5) We can be as simple or as complex as you want. Use our standard join-forms and all you need is a simple link. Have specific needs? Ask about FlexPost and tell your programmer what you need.


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Whatever processor you decide to use just do one thing and avoid epoch.

Gday Rand

Its nice to be promoting yourself, but on what evidence can you provide us that you and CCBill have the best thru-put?

I ask this, as my systems monitor CCBill accounts every day, and I would be pleased to see how you evaluate CCBill's thru-put to make that statement "The strongest IPSP's in terms of features, thru-put, and service are Epoch and CCBill. No question about it"?

You make a bold statement - so lets see if you can prove it?

I really don't think CCBill does not have to prove a thing ask anyone that using CCBill how they feel about them and from my experience and from reading others people are very very happy with CCBill. They have awesome webmaster support, low chargebacks, never EVER late on paying you not even a day late.
I like to be in 100% control of things are beable to add different prices etc myself without emailing anyone. That is what is awesome about their admin you can do anything.

As for Epoch they are also awesome. I like their features, cross sells etc. I only wish their webmaster admin was as unbelieveable as CCBill's.

I think you must use 2 or more processors, we are working on using multiple processors. You should never rely on one and that is why we are going to use the MPA2 program here shortly. Should be done hopefully in about a week. What happens if one processor has problems and can't pay you or your webmasters then your screwed.

Just my :2 cents:

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HEY, what about Netbilling... I haven't heard anything but good things about them.

Netbilling

As far as we are concerned, Netbilling is awesome! We switched to them a couple of years ago and are very, very happy.

Who are you using Validus?

Sputter

Here at Coolspot we do all our billing in-house with our own billing company, Eops AG. Unfortunately I have not had the pleasure of working directly with Netbilling yet.

Ummm I don't quite understand your logic there, we are using 3 processors, epoch for instance won't even let me sign up with my own $20k limit business master card or $10k personal Visa card, my brother wit his $10k card can't signup to our sites through epoch but he can and so can I through all the other processors. Epoch said its just certain numbers off certain banks that they have had to much fraud from so they blacklist the whole cluster.

Using mutliple processors is good as you gain 20-30% extra signups. Whats bad in that???

My experience with CCbill has been the worst so far out of any processors. I setup epoch in 1 day, pswbilling in 2 days, Electracash took 2-3 days and CCbill took 2 god damn weeks to setup. All I wanted was a couple of subaccounts made up and they made it very difficult and made me do most of the work myself while Epoch setup over 120 subaccount pricing options for 20 different sites within 6 hours of emailing them.

Just my experience with them, they are for some reason my 3rd processor (I wonder why?)

You might want to check this out: www.waypay.com

Driven, if you have a minute or two, i would appreciate it if you icq or email me with a phone # so that i can find out what happened. We try our best to streamline our processes and make them as efficient as possible. Any input that the system is working to the contrary would be helpful?it might have been an isolated incident or it might not have been, I would like to find out

if you have time?

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I base this on the countless conversations, board posts, seminars, and emails I have received on the matter. Only webmasters who use multiple processors and programs such as MPA2 can tell you the cold hard facts. Look at the largest programs and see where they are processing and that will give you a pretty good idea of which IPSP is giving them the most bang for their traffic. Admittedly I am not a webmaster and I don't have sites. But those who do tell me the same thing time and again.

I suggest you to use CCbil.
Outstanding client support

Does anybody knows if any of those processors are processing Visa for ppl outside the U.S/EU ?

Hi,

We process for many merchants all over the world.

Please contact us for more information.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Thank you, Mitch Farber