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Hally 03-24-2003 05:26 PM

Can't Believe My Eyes Russia Helping Iraq
 
This is very bad news & could be extremely dangerous ... why are they helping Iraq,
I'm stunned at this news.... is anyone on my side here guys & girls :mad:
I'm going to sit back & read what you guys & girls answer back here. Its terrible news indeed

stanton 03-24-2003 05:27 PM

welcome to the real world!

mika 03-24-2003 05:28 PM

Russian COMPANIES

That is probably mafia etc

xxxdesign-net 03-24-2003 05:28 PM

mmmh, some russian companies do not represent the country... :2 cents:

theking 03-24-2003 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hally
This is very bad news & could be extremely dangerous ... why are they helping Iraq,
I'm stunned at this news.... is anyone on my side here guys & girls :mad:
I'm going to sit back & read what you guys & girls answer back here. Its terrible news indeed

This is news? Russia and Iraq go way back, much of Iraq's military hardware is Russian the rest is from the French and Germans. The very underground bunkers that the brass live in is German made. During the 1st Gulf War we did not have a weapon that was capable of penetrating them. Now we do.

Thrawn$ 03-24-2003 05:32 PM

hehehe

I think Sadam will survive!

Watch out when North Korea will start helping Sadam!

xxxdesign-net 03-24-2003 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


This is news? Russia and Iraq go way back, much of Iraq's military hardware is Russian the rest is from the French and Germans. The very underground bunkers that the brass live in is German made. During the 1st Gulf War we did not have a weapon that was capable of penetrating them. Now we do.

huh... the US have also sold weapons to Iraq.... :2 cents:

stanton 03-24-2003 05:35 PM

Watch out when China will get inolved..

SpaceAce 03-24-2003 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hally
This is very bad news & could be extremely dangerous ... why are they helping Iraq,
I'm stunned at this news.... is anyone on my side here guys & girls :mad:
I'm going to sit back & read what you guys & girls answer back here. Its terrible news indeed

Haha, bad for who? The entire Russian industrial machine is devoted to manufacturing bootleg CDs and fake Gucci purses, now. They are not a serious military threat to anyone. Remember, they couldn't handle Afghanistan at the height of their power. Who are they going to bother now?

SpaceAce

SpaceAce 03-24-2003 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net


huh... the US have also sold weapons to Iraq.... :2 cents:

Yes, but you notice we're not facing a lot of F-117A's over there. Their military is almost entirely Russian surplus.

SpaceAce

theking 03-24-2003 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net


huh... the US have also sold weapons to Iraq.... :2 cents:

We have not sold them tanks, artillary, aircraft, or small arms, so feel free to name the weapons that we have sold them.

mika 03-24-2003 05:39 PM

Hally don't get too worried. It's not as bad as it seems. Someone always supplies the arms to the bad guys, too. ALWAYS. It's not the best stuff they're buying anyway

I think it's just a political debate between Moscow and Washington going on :2 cents:

stanton 03-24-2003 05:42 PM

stop whining!

Dopy 03-24-2003 05:42 PM

And don't forget us Brits we helped them too

http://www.exportcontrols.org/matrixchurchill.html

Fletch XXX 03-24-2003 05:42 PM

Anyone of you ever read:

<a href=http://www.cryptome.org/cuw.htm>Unrestricted Warfare</a>

i posted in another thread but since you guys brought up China.

=)

mika 03-24-2003 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Anyone of you ever read:

<a href=http://www.cryptome.org/cuw.htm>Unrestricted Warfare</a>

i posted in another thread but since you guys brought up China.

=)

Looks like a hell of a link. Thanks. Quite long, tho. so gotta bookmark and read later

Mr. Jim 03-24-2003 05:47 PM

We set up the fight in Russia....On Christmas

he will even train over there and grow a beard!


That will show them

I bet the crowd turns and starts chanting HIS name

Fletch XXX 03-24-2003 05:47 PM

buy the book.

Mr. Jim 03-24-2003 05:49 PM

It's not the best stuff they're buying anyway

---------------------------------------------------------------

Hey that RPG-7 did'nt hurt it must have been one of the not so good ones.............

:eek7

Fletch XXX 03-24-2003 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mika


Looks like a hell of a link. Thanks. Quite long, tho. so gotta bookmark and read later

note this paragraph in there.
Quote:


'Actually, with the next century having still not yet arrived, the American military has already encountered trouble from insufficient frequency band width brought on by the three above mentioned types of enemies. <i>Whether it be the intrusions of hackers, a major explosion at the World Trade Center, or a bombing attack by bin Laden, </i>all of these greatly exceed the frequency band widths understood by the American military.'
Note when it was printed?

'Unrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui (Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)'

Note the trade center reference?

:glugglug

Hally 03-24-2003 05:52 PM

Hey I suppose you're right Mika hahaha they're only buying stuff that was replaced by newer stuff... we can probably buy the same stuff in an army surplus store yeehaa

Other countries replace their arny's hardware & instead of dumping the old stuff they sell it to the highest bidder... life goes on hey!

Its great watching this action on tv... hahaha like Powell said this isn't a video game its a real war, you gotta keep reminding yourself that

:winkwink: catch ya later

mika 03-24-2003 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Note when it was printed?

'Unrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui (Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)'

Note the trade center reference?

:glugglug

Yep.. should be a good reading. gotta read that tomorrow before RHCP concert

MikeM 03-24-2003 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Note when it was printed?

'Unrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui (Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)'

Note the trade center reference?

:glugglug

They bombed the Trade Center well before the planes hit...

D_Nell 03-24-2003 07:09 PM

They are only the first of many countries about to be exposed as we find more documents!:thumbsup

sacX 03-24-2003 08:11 PM

Iraqi's who caused casualties during Sept 11 = 0

So far i'd say the Iraqis are owed a few US civilians.

Rxx 03-25-2003 12:31 AM

Didnt you all forget the Rambo III film american fucks???

MetaMan 03-25-2003 12:50 AM

drop the nukes already,
i see a nice big open area over Baghdad where a theme park with my name on it could fit,

there is all these stupid hospitals in the way!

Blu Solutions 03-25-2003 12:59 AM

STUPID IDIOTS

If Russia helped Iraq - all your airforce, ships and tomahawks MUST be left on the bottom of the sea ALREADY - A LONG TIME :)
Their S-300M is UNBEATABLE
1 S-300 can defend such a territory as Poland or Romania from 24 airplanes (including those shitty F117 that you consider "invisible" :Graucho ) attacking at the same time from different sides. (there are NO defence from S-300 rockets :1orglaugh so your airforce would suck !

1 TOR (anti-rocket sysmem) has no analogs in the world - your "Patriots" suck too (they lost the battle 12 years ago even to OLD and ANCIENT Iraqi SCUDs :1orglaugh )
Russian TOR can intercept and destroy ANY kind of rockets, so none of your Tomahawks could never reach their targets

You know why your television (and your government) say that Russia is helping Iraq with the weapons?
The answer is clear - because your "precise" weapons is a fucking SHIT and hit Iran, Turkey, Sirian busses and the houses of peaceful iraqians instead of military targets :1orglaugh

YOUR WEAPONS SUCK, REGARDLESS OF YOUR HUGE MILITARY BUDGET - AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR YOUR GOVERNMENT TO FIND WHOM TO BLAME ON THE SIDE.

I REPEAT - AMERICANS ARE FUCKING IMMORAL AND COWARDY NATION. FUCK OFF !

Blu Solutions 03-25-2003 01:07 AM

ah yes, I forgot to say.

It is a great pity that due to the sanctions Russia could not sell the "Scorpions" (little Stealth technology made ship) to the Iraq :)

It has defence against any aircraft and rockets, AND (the best part :) - it has anty-ship rockets Yachont on board :) The newest russian rockets, defence against which still haven't any fleet in the world .

1 volley of this Scorpion (with Yachonts) and the whole aircraft carrier group (with the convoy) are on the bottom of the sea :)

Scorpions are also know in the world as "aircraft carriers killer"

A great pity that Russia did not sold any of them to Iraq . I guess you could never begin this war then:winkwink:

Blu Solutions 03-25-2003 01:11 AM

AND DAMN, I FORGOT ELSE ONE THING :)

read this

ROCKET-PROPELLED TORPEDO
A rocket-propelled torpedo has been produced by the Russian research centre called Region.The new torpedo can be used in the ordinary torpedo launchers of submarine.
The research centre has also built an export model of the torpedo. The torpedo could cover nearly 100 metres per second..
The torpedo is launched reaches the necessary depth and then the engines are switched on.


Americans for a 6 years are ripping their ass to get to know how it works - but failed :) with all their spies and money. You just can't make it yourself, despite all your money (as I said above)
so...
:321GFY

Smoke a dick :winkwink:

- Jesus Christ - 03-25-2003 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Anyone of you ever read:

<a href=http://www.cryptome.org/cuw.htm>Unrestricted Warfare</a>

i posted in another thread but since you guys brought up China.

=)

Quote from book:
"Technology is like "magic shoes" on the feet of mankind, and after the spring has been wound tightly by commercial interests, people can only dance along with the shoes, whirling rapidly in time to the beat that they set."


I'm shaking in my boots...

madthumbs 03-25-2003 01:23 AM

Blu,

Too bad your country isn't the one with the gigantic bullseye on it's back.

Later,
Mike.

Rxxx 03-25-2003 01:30 AM

There r also some very nice S-400 examples already :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Blu Solutions 03-25-2003 02:21 AM

Ah yes, you right, boy :)
Brand new S-400 - it can hit any target, incl. stealth-made little aircraft (incl. spy-aircraft with no pilot) and it can hit BALLISTIC NUCLEAR HEADS which speed is 4.8 kilometres per second !

Radar's of the S-400 can see very little objects (for example it can SEE and HIT an object with dimensions of football ball on the distance of 80 kilometres!)

USA DEFINITELLY SUCK :321GFY

http://www.hot.ee/t4u/S-400.jpg

Brujah 03-25-2003 02:53 AM

Russia will sell any of it's weapons to whoever wants to buy them. So, if everyone fights with the same stick and shield, who has the best equipment ? Keep selling them to your neighbors. Watch them screw you over.

---

Nuclear. Only five states are declared nuclear powers, and one of them, China, has declined to have its experts in Iraq. U.S. nuclear weapons programs far surpass those of the other three powers, France, England and Russia.
**** Chemical. There are only two declared chemical weapons powers, Russia and the United States, and the United States has superior expertise and resources?both financial and technical. (The team delegations are funded by their own countries).
**** Biological. No states have declared biological weapons programs, but because the United States got rid of its program in the late 1960s?later than other states did?the United States still has experts who understand biological weapons production.
**** The United States also, by far, has the world?s largest biotechnology industry, with experts who could recognize how certain equipment is being used.
**** Missiles. The United States has the world?s most sophisticated and accurate ballistic missiles that would carry all of the above types of weapons.

Brujah 03-25-2003 03:24 AM

Quote:

Nov 2000 ?
The last 10 years have not been good for the Russian military. After a prolonged and highly unsuccessful campaign in Afghanistan and withdrawals from Eastern Europe and the Baltics, the military went into a spiraling decline.
Ouch.

Quote:

The disastrous adventure in Chechnya from 1994-1996 ? when forces were beaten back by what was essentially a group of guerrillas ? was probably the lowest point in Russian military history since the early defeats suffered by Stalin?s Red Army during Hitler?s invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.
Ouch.

scooby doo as scooby does 03-25-2003 03:35 AM

Quote:

Missiles. The United States has the world?s most sophisticated and accurate ballistic missiles that would carry all of the above types of weapons
What amazes me is that after all the missiles going astray in Iran, Syria etc. All the civilians killed, all the friendly fire incidents, it truely amazes me that anyone can be so stupid as too lap up this propaganda anymore.

Is the US a superpower any more ?

Evidence is very patchy in favour of that. Just look at Iraq now. Basra, the only main battle area, appears to be a standoff (sorry, sprinting thru the desert as fast as you can to Baghdad does not count as 'fighting').

If it wasn't for the fact that Iraq has no airforce to speak of, the US/UK would be getting their butts kicked out there.

History is being re-written here, this is the beginning of the end of quite a lot....

stanton 03-25-2003 03:36 AM

Do you know that Russia Makes 300 trillion dollars a year in Chechnya on weapons and by laundring money:Graucho

haha i bet your source did not say that!!!

none gives a fuck about war there...it is not a war it is different kind of shit going on there:2 cents::Graucho

McSpike 03-25-2003 03:37 AM

every time people reply to useless war relating threads god kills a kitten.

ooops there goes another kitten.

stanton 03-25-2003 03:40 AM

**** Missiles. The United States has the world?s most sophisticated and accurate ballistic missiles that would carry all of the above types of weapons. [/B][/QUOTE]

that is why missiles which were sent in Iraq end up in Turkey and Iran? i am very amazed by your most sophisticated and accurate ballistic missiles..


**** The United States also, by far, has the world?s largest biotechnology industry, with RUSSIAN or from some other countries then USA experts who could recognize how certain equipment is being used.

theking 03-25-2003 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does


What amazes me is that after all the missiles going astray in Iran, Syria etc. All the civilians killed, all the friendly fire incidents, it truely amazes me that anyone can be so stupid as too lap up this propaganda anymore.

Is the US a superpower any more ?

Evidence is very patchy in favour of that. Just look at Iraq now. Basra, the only main battle area, appears to be a standoff (sorry, sprinting thru the desert as fast as you can to Baghdad does not count as 'fighting').

If it wasn't for the fact that Iraq has no airforce to speak of, the US/UK would be getting their butts kicked out there.

History is being re-written here, this is the beginning of the end of quite a lot....

BS. Only in your wee little mind.

Brujah 03-25-2003 03:46 AM

oh come on stanton. didn't you read (what blu said) that the united states is the ones with the corrupt governments and an immoral country. Not Russia.

as to missiles, machinery, or any weapon.. you still rely on the software, people responsible for using it, etc...

scooby doo as scooby does 03-25-2003 03:47 AM

Quote:

BS. Only in your wee little mind.
At last, some intelligent posts! cool.

theking 03-25-2003 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stanton
**** Missiles. The United States has the world?s most sophisticated and accurate ballistic missiles that would carry all of the above types of weapons.
that is why missiles which were sent in Iraq end up in Turkey and Iran? i am very amazed by your most sophisticated and accurate ballistic missiles..


**** The United States also, by far, has the world?s largest biotechnology industry, with RUSSIAN or from some other countries then USA experts who could recognize how certain equipment is being used. [/B][/QUOTE]

Another one with a wee little mind.

Dopy 03-25-2003 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does


What amazes me is that after all the missiles going astray in Iran, Syria etc. All the civilians killed, all the friendly fire incidents, it truely amazes me that anyone can be so stupid as too lap up this propaganda anymore.

Is the US a superpower any more ?

Evidence is very patchy in favour of that. Just look at Iraq now. Basra, the only main battle area, appears to be a standoff (sorry, sprinting thru the desert as fast as you can to Baghdad does not count as 'fighting').

If it wasn't for the fact that Iraq has no airforce to speak of, the US/UK would be getting their butts kicked out there.

History is being re-written here, this is the beginning of the end of quite a lot....



Minimal damage !

Turn up the volume on your TV

stanton 03-25-2003 03:53 AM

shut up village idiot

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


Another one with a wee little mind.


Blu Solutions 03-25-2003 05:32 AM

Here we go ! :1orglaugh

http://www.mtv.ru/postcard/?get_post=70012_84218

:thumbsup

KRL 03-25-2003 05:37 AM

Russian Oil companies control about 40% of the oil in Iraq. Plus they have a contract to develop the West Qurna oil fields and other major reserves.

Most of the big Russian mulitnationals are controlled by organized crime types or have connections to the underworld. So these are hardcore businessmen that don't want to loose their deals in Iraq.

goBigtime 03-25-2003 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blu Solutions
STUPID IDIOTS


You know why your television (and your government) say that Russia is helping Iraq with the weapons?
The answer is clear - because your "precise" weapons is a fucking SHIT and hit Iran, Turkey, Sirian busses and the houses of peaceful iraqians instead of military targets :1orglaugh

Err.. maybe they didn't miss? The bus was LEAVING iraq. Perhaps someone imporant was fleeing and didn't make it out. The other 'misses' could have been staged to justify the bus 'miss'.

It's war. Don't expect the truth.

Blu Solutions 03-25-2003 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime


Err.. maybe they didn't miss? The bus was LEAVING iraq. Perhaps someone imporant was fleeing and didn't make it out. The other 'misses' could have been staged to justify the bus 'miss'.

It's war. Don't expect the truth.


Well, so if your missiles are OKAY and your AIRCRAFT is falling down as planned by your government :1orglaugh - so WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM RUSSIA THEN ??? :winkwink:
Why to say that your forces fail all the time due to russian misterious "HELP to Iraq" ??? :BangBang:

Where are fucking proofs ?

If your rockets and aircraft fail - no need to seek for the guilty on the side. Search them in your own pocket, bastards.

Everyone is to blame for USA .. France, Russia, German, Chine..
Every single country that does not agree with your STUPID IDIOT PRESIDENT BUSH

Get lost!
:321GFY


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