Immigration is the most important issue of our times
 

In a truly free society there would be no borders...but no welfare either. You can't have both, as it is a recipe for disaster! A very high percentage of immigrants from the 3rd world go onto the government dole and reproduce like rabbits!

I think in another decade our two "white" people will be a minority in this country? Scary stuff on the horizon. I think Trump needs to be a LOT tougher on immigration. First off, we don't need any more people. Secondly, if we DO bring in people can it stop being 3rd worlders from Somalia or Syria? Serious question - how does it benefit you from bringing in a 3rd world person with an IQ in the 65-80 range? HOW? Your taxes are raised, your culture is attacked and you are out reproduced. To top it off, if you bring up these FACTS you are then labeled a racist, a xenophobe, a nazi, etc. :1orglaugh

We should not allow ANY immigrants to go onto welfare EVER. Our immigration policy should be aimed at high IQ white, western europeans who share the values this country was founded upon. I read somewhere that 95% of immigrants under Obama have been Muslims?! :helpme Does it make sense to bring in people who you are at war with, who don't share ANY of your values, who don't know what a free market is?

This is a systemic destruction of America and it must stop. It's not funny or a joke. It's serious. This country WILL turn into a 3rd world. Very few people assimilate and leave their old cultures behind. They want to bring with them the trauma and disease that is communism/socialism and islam.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs he is back, welcome back Johnny now DON'T fuck this up

I'm back and here to stay!

Sure thing Adof, just don't complain when a gallon of milk cost $10 and a dozen eggs is $8.

pffftttt :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

WTF are u talking about?

It's really just a simple fix.. End the tax credits for more than one kid and don't allow welfare to be a never ending hand out.

The problem is that no one wants to talk about is the govt wants more little tax payers entering the system. For govt spending to stay on pace the tax paying pool has to constantly grow.

White people stopped having large families when the country advanced past rural farmland into mega cities. The govt now looks to who ever will pop out the most little tax earners.

For the population to grow, a man and women have to have 3 kids hence the reason the tax credit maxes out at 3. White people these days barely pop out 2 kids per couple wicg equal stagnation and no growth potential.

Sure it's nice to have less people making more but when that becomes the bottleneck then it moves to high output lower profit..

It's all just a business, the govt is no different than Walmart. Either white people start popping out more little tax payers or others will.

But the brown and black people popping out babies aren't working. They're collecting welfare too which is why the US is trillions in debt

Those welfare dollars still go back into the system at local levels. It's just very low profit margin. Like buy one get one free big macs.

america is getting tan...there is no reversing this...you imported black people to work for you as slaves, you impoverished entire regions...and now you are getting tan

here is a pic of a typical EU and USA girl at the moment:
http://choco-coat.com/wp-content/upl...ety-tips-1.jpg

see how she is getting tan? :1orglaugh

you know what country aint getting tan? Serbia! :thumbsup we will sell you white genes soon...when you think about it, serbia will probably be the last white country on earth...

now go get some tan :thumbsup

wtf, how could any government make profit on welfare people? Let's say 1 person gets 300 dollars for free each month, he buys stuff for $300 each month (accommodation - renting a place, food, booze etc), and lets say you have like flat 20% tax on everything (goods, services etc.)... so government handed out $300 and got back $60 in taxes (so -$240 each month).. that doesn't sounds like profit to me.

It's crockett science!

Clips; You're the poster boy for why Republicans are reassessing who they want to be really seen as - ie, how to get rid off the reactionary goon base.
Immigration fuels the economy; many skilled and professional workers arrive to bolster and invest in the Western economies - that's a fact. On the other end of the scale, they provide the general labour that wakes up at 4 am in the morning to do thankless jobs that typical reactionary-goon Trump supporters try to imagine does not exist.
Seeing this post of yours shows you are not a typical reactionary goon Trump supporter. You're in that 12% stat of you know what it appears.

You can say or call me whatever.

Need to make America great again! We don't need any more immigrants

yes but those first 300$ get spent again and again and again by other people and the gov gets $60 every time....if you look at just one transaction then yes, it is a loss...

It's a loss each and every time you fucking moron :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

A better option that most Americans would prefer is deporting sourpuss-hatebreeder-crybabies and replacing them with immigrants who appreciate good opportunities in the USA.

Keep going though - each post you make is opening the eyes of potential Trump fans who now know what the real base is and won't join the retrograde movement..

in a world where only one monetary transaction per month exists you would not be a moron...but unfortunately for you, even the other 240$ he spends ends up spent somewhere else, again and again BY OTHER PEOPLE and the gov is there every single time on every single step...it needs to make 5 cycles and the printed money has made 100% of itself back at a 20% tax rate just for example...

poor mans money is much more liquid than rich mans long term investments offshore in tax havens...you want to talk about a LOSS then focus on the bulk of all funds LOL

Where is this money coming from you fucking cuckold? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So they spend $300 and get back $60.. no matter how do you look at it, its still a $240 lost every month which needs to be covered by other sources.. also not every dollar will be spent in the same country, some will be spent by ordering goods from China (aliexpress), some will spend it on vacation/shopping in the neighboring country etc.

so that 300$ disappears for ever?? no...it gets spent again and again...many times per month...whether its abroad or domestic, in a money printing economy like the USA, it matters little...worst case scenario is they turn the printing press on again...

you would kill to be in their shoes...so would I :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's $300 you dumbass it doesn't magically reproduce itself time and time again holy fuck! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It doesn't disappears, but it definitely won't get back into the pocket of the government who handed it out - so basically in the long run, the government will run out of money. No matter what happens the government will get back only up to 20% of it (according to our example here). And yes you can print money, but not with that speed.. if they get back only 20%, then it means they need to devalue the money 5x each month (basically an inflation of 500% each month). So in January a bread costs $1, next month it should cost $5 to keep up the money flow..

That just shows you are uninformed and basing your thoughts on misguided ideology rather than actual facts.

Yes a lot of minorities are on social assistance but so are white people.

The larger percentage of hispanics for example work and actually produce. Hence the reason they pop out 3 kids to get that tax deduction at the end of the year. If they don't work, then they don't get that tax credit.

no the government has a pre printed pool of money, the tax rate should be able to sustain an entire country, in theory of course...now if the country over spends then its in shit...but those 300$ get spent a few times per month they do not just sit...poor mans capital is liquid he does not have savings...it circulates...upon each transaction the gov makes $...

and you can not use inflation as an argument the USA exports its inflation by forcing the US$ as a "world reserve currency" and by making everybody sell oil for US$ so it creates false demand and this raises the value...the US gov is a dirty player...

That 300 is used to buy crack and other black market goods. The government doesnt get shit back.

Don't be dumb..even if money is used to buy drugs it still gets used before and after and is taxed each time aside from private transactions. The simple fact is the poor and middle class circulate those dollars endlessly until it winds up into the hands of the 1%.

At that point it's less likely to be recirculated or taxed for some time causing the money to go out of circulation causing the tax earned on that money to drastically decrease. This is why a strong middle class is the most important foundation for a solid economy.

You make an interesting argument and it is true for a country like the USA was...however, it ultimately failed because it is an artificial system. It is clear from history and from countries even today that there has always been a disbalance of wealth.

There is always a ruling class and then a class of commoners. Only 2 classes with the small group having 99% and then the rest sharing the 1% left over.

The USA is quickly equalizing to this norm. Given 50 more years (or perhaps less) this country will be functioning exactly as any relatively developed 3rd world country such as Chile for example.

The middle class is essentially nonexistent in those countries and so it will be in the USA as well.

The USA might just have been like the Roman empire and the English empire the last empire humans will know...perhaps

At least you have a political figure who is up with the times.

Here in the UK, we have one major party representing the traditional upper class, and the other representing the trade unions. Neither of which knows what the fuck is going on...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a whiner about the 1%, I used that term because it best fits. I understand that those with more money will rise to the top of any political system. Money equals power, that's a fact of life.

The thing you don't look at is this change you speak of is actually created by the 1% and would not have come to pass if regulations were kept in place to keep this sort of imbalance from happening.

The USA has been strong and prospered due to the check and balance system that kept 1% from ruling the 99%. The country can not stay a world power if the imbalance gets too much. The 1% then suffer as well because they depend on the 99% for their creation of wealth. Making a balanced system the best option for all parties involved. No one is keeping their billions in vaults of gold or silver or whatever. It's all just numbers on a computer screen..

All the money in the world is not safe if the banking system is not stable from a bad economy. Billions can disappear just like hundreds can..

Why should it cost that much more?

Agreed.

10 people sharing $1,000. Brings in no more than 20 people sharing the same pot. The problem is 20 people need more. It's what people have per person that counts. This will help you understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_dependencies

Tax is raised via a percentage of GDP, not population numbers. And everyone costs the country money, some make enough to repay that figure, others don't make enough to cover their costs.

If immigration fueled economies. Those refugees from the ME would be welcomed with open arms.

Look at GDP and tax spending per Capita. This will give you a figure of what the average person contributes to the country. Then double it because for every working migrant there will be non-working one. United States GDP per Capita $54,370 look at who is above the US. Forget the oil rich. Total Government Spending $20,760 / person

A select few contribute, the rest are split between those who break even and those who deduct.

A lot of that money ends up outside the country. so now try figuring it all out again. You're 100 years too late with that theory.

Where the fuck are these immigrants you talk about who appreciate good opportunities.:2 cents:

Are you seeing these entrepreneurs in the minnesota somali population or in europe maybe?

Those entrepreneurs you talk about is an extreme minority popping up very rarely. What about all the immigrants who never had it in them or ever will?

Nah your statements have no substance, it's like talking to a 1998 internet bot.

IIf it's used to buy foreign goods, even drug money, it goes outside the country.

Some here are making huge assumptions, based on people being equal. They're not and never will be.

A dirt farmer in the Midwest contributes less than Bill Gates. A migrant Brain surgeon contributes more than a hospital porter.

Unemployed for whatever reason, children, disabled contribute nothing. US population is 322.7 million. In February 2015, about 119.3 million people were employed on a full-time basis. Discounting a small number who earn so much part time they need not work full time. This is 200 million not working or contributing. 200 million living off the income of the 120 million.

Now deduct those on minimum wage and those with large families. Now deduct those who are doing a job an American could do. Even prisoners could do work like picking fruit and veg.

There's a very good reason the UK is implementing a law that says if a migrant doesn't earn $56,000 a year they have to return home. There are safeguards for certain skills.

A simple way to see if all migrants contribute, is go to where they live and see how well they're doing.

Tackle this problem, the next one will be Natives who don't contribute and reducing the populations to fit 21st Century demands.

The total welfare budget incl. Medicaid is about 1 trillion in 2016, the total (lifetime) budget only for the F35 jet is 1.3 trillion. And the thing is reportedly shit. It's all about perspective.

Well im in the UK and we finally get our say on June 23rd. We are leaving the EU. They can stick there immigration policies up there arse. When we are out, its time to put an Australian point based system in place. Happy days

You seem sure you leaving the EU, what you gonna do if that doesn't happen ?

I do hope you're right, cause that will stir some shit in the political landscape of europe, much needed.

But just like the establishment rallying vs Trump, the EU fan boys of europe aka the elite will do everything they can to keep you "IN".

The more immigration negativity that happens until June the better.

If we vote to stay, its another 40 years of mass immigration and Britain will be up shit creek. We are a small island and we are full. If we dont leave, il give up giving a fuck tbh

Cost more because they can't use cheap labor and have to pay decent wages.

As far as the 20vs 1 argument.. what you are overlooking is those 20 buy more cars, more gas, more big macs than the one person. This is why power in numbers is superior to the one rich guy..

20 people can't buy more cars if they can't afford them. 1 person can but a car because he can afford it. That's why there is no power in numbers sharing the same pot of money.

Yes, when companies are forced to pay higher wages the economy improves. Prices rise a little to a lot and still the economy thrives in the long run.

The extra wages have to be fueled by the private sector. The public sector has a habit of doing this with borrowed money that has to be repaid, or borrow more to repay the previous loan. Look at Greece for an extreme example of how it goes wrong.

Low paid workers do not contribute to an economy. They only contribute to the profits of the company employing them. When they're subsidised in a system like the UK's, they cast others. If they did contribute GDP would be leaping ahead. It's not, but welfare costs are.

http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/de...?itok=OItspHpt

Every migrant on benefits or a low wage adds more to the costs of running the country and more onto the shoulders of others. Two people going for a job instead of one, keeping wages down, rents up, needing schools and hospitals without adding to the funds to run them, etc.

The one winner is the top 1%, who do see profits rise. Should those profits be taxed more or should the ability to earn more this way be removed?

this is what shows the real wealth of the people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_dependencies Updated 2015

GDP per Capita for the 5th Largest economy in the world.
United Kingdom 27th $39,826

Norway 6th $67,166 the 27th largest economy in the world has a better standard of living than the 5th.

The winners for mass migration are. Banks with sky high mortgages, property sector, employers and Civil Servants/Public Sector. The last part is included because of the extra problems that come with over population.

The losers are the upper working classes and middle classes. The average house price in the UK has doubled in the last ten years, wages haven't. In Czech, which has a stable population, they have risen 20% in 15 years.

How much of that cost is included in the mantra migrants contribute?

We need to end ALL muslim immigration ASAP

I would go further. End all migration of people who won't earn more than the average wage in a private sector job. with exceptions for teachers, nurses, doctors, scientists, etc. Regardless of the ancient myth they believe in.