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Rob 11-13-2015 09:50 PM

Your WordPress Theme is KILLING Your SEO!
 
Recently I started cheating by using WordPress themes. It saved hours of development time, and the sites look great. But for some reason, as much as I did to optimize them, they never ranked well. Every SEO report I ran ranked them extremely high, but they never reached better than page 3 or 4 in SERPS. Other pages that looked like shit, and not nearly as streamlined as mine were ranking much better. I was baffled. So I started to cross test sites on search engines, and my conclusion was that the themes I used ABSOLUTELY CRUSHED my SEO implementations. And you could be having the same problem.

Especially if you're using Themeforest themes! - which are probably the most popular themes to use. They look great and they're super cheap @ $40 a pop. But are extremely bloated, and SUCK for SEO.

There are a number of reasons, and for the sake of a shorter post, I won't go into great detail. But if you're using WordPress themes, do your research. Don't use a theme just because it looks nice, make sure it "works". Otherwise you'll have a great looking site that no one will ever see, much less find.

Here are some great articles to read at your leisure. Most of us are developers and this is our living. I took the time to test and research this to help myself, but I wanted to post here to save everyone else the time and headaches. So if your WordPress site isn't ranking well, or it is losing ranking...look no further. :thumbsup

I hope this help!

Why I No Longer Use Themeforest

10 WordPress SEO Questions That Took Me 10 Years To Answer!

Best SEO Optimized WordPress Themes to Use

kane 11-13-2015 11:29 PM

Nice post. Thanks

Rob 11-14-2015 12:29 AM

I found a great plugin that tests your theme for SEO compatibility. I ran it on a site that has been giving me SEO nightmares, and now I know why. :disgust

http://s13.postimg.org/bulnps5on/theme.jpg

Link to the plugin.

https://wordpress.org/plugins/template-seo-checker/

Kelli58 11-14-2015 01:06 AM

While themes are great in terms of making design easier, you can never fully trust them for SEO purposes.

You almost always have to dig in there and customize shit on your own.

MiamiBoyz 11-14-2015 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20635082)
I found a great plugin that tests your theme for SEO compatibility. I ran it on a site that has been giving me SEO nightmares, and now I know why. :disgust

http://s13.postimg.org/bulnps5on/theme.jpg

Link to the plugin.

https://wordpress.org/plugins/template-seo-checker/

So you are recommending a plugin that is has NOT been updated for over 2 years AND is untested with the current version of WP...Good luck with that! :1orglaugh

Paul&John 11-14-2015 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20635082)
I found a great plugin that tests your theme for SEO compatibility. I ran it on a site that has been giving me SEO nightmares, and now I know why. :disgust

http://s13.postimg.org/bulnps5on/theme.jpg

Link to the plugin.

https://wordpress.org/plugins/template-seo-checker/

Love that report, first it says that you should put everything into css files, then it bashes you for using css files :)

Also for speed Google (the mobile thingy mainly) recommends to put the important stuff into the HTML (js/css)

jiguideveloper 11-14-2015 02:26 AM

Nice post. Thanks

MichaelMC 11-14-2015 05:44 AM

Very good info. Thank you very much for the update

JuicyBunny 11-14-2015 05:51 AM

Thanks for the info, Rob. More of these threads. They're a good thing. :thumbsup

For SEO plug-ins I like Yoast the most.:2 cents:

nico-t 11-14-2015 06:15 AM

themeforest themes are a nightmare. You said it all in the OP. Bloated as fuck, slow as fuck, etc. Every themeforest theme i have worked with has these same issues. Simple, free themes are a breath of fresh air.

j3rkules 11-14-2015 06:18 AM

Thanks for the report, I know many wordpress sites which ranks for the first page keywords...

Andreweb 11-14-2015 06:59 AM

I prefer to not use wordpress because they are not good for SEO !

HowlingWulf 11-14-2015 07:38 AM

Being a WordPress author does not mean they are automatically SEO experts too.
Some themes are good for SEO some are terrible - do your homework.

Smart Fred 11-14-2015 07:58 AM

I've got a site with a cheap WP theme and it is ranked #2 on Google on a two words search with one of the word being "porn".

I hope it will help anybody expecting to purchase a cheap theme.

Colmike9 11-14-2015 08:00 AM

Some themes will have options to turn the built in SEO off, but if you keep it on and enable another SEO plugin on top of it, everything can get messed up..

Just look at the code and all options of themes that you use to be sure. I prefer a minimal theme to build on without extras, and avoid bloated themes like Suffusion unless you have time to go through every setting and know what you're doing.

Colmike9 11-14-2015 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smart Fred (Post 20635249)
I've got a site with a cheap WP theme and it is ranked #2 on Google on a two words search with one of the word being "porn".

I hope it will help anybody expecting to purchase a cheap theme.

Every theme is different, regardless of price for the most part.. :2 cents:

HowlingWulf 11-14-2015 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20635082)

Plugin definitely has issues. Just tested it.

Did not recognize Bootstrap theme as Responsive Ready 0/100
No heading tags were found though there is plenty 0/100 perhaps it doesn't recognize css classes
Title 70/100 no explanation. FAQ link dead.
Get docked if I don't used CSS for print 0/100 what does that have to do with SEO?

Author blog has no mention of this plugin anymore.

NemesisEnforcer 11-14-2015 08:34 AM

Hmm, something to look into.

blackmonsters 11-14-2015 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 20635098)
Love that report, first it says that you should put everything into css files, then it bashes you for using css files :)

Also for speed Google (the mobile thingy mainly) recommends to put the important stuff into the HTML (js/css)

Read it again.

It says "use css but make the number of css files less insane".

:2 cents:

Rob 11-14-2015 08:41 AM

I'm not the author of that plugin, and I'm not saying the results are 100% accurate. But it's a good reference source. I ran the plugin, printed the results, then deleted the plugin. No one was harmed and it gave me a good reference to start, or determine if I wanted to do a wholesale design change for a site. It confirmed something I already knew; the theme was fucking up my SEO strategy.

If your only take-away from this thread is the fact that a plugin I found and posted is outdated and not supported, then I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention. I installed it and ran it without issues, so I really didn't look into the version compatibility.

potter 11-14-2015 08:54 AM

Why would you use a WP plugin and not just test directly through Google and the other systems out there?

8pt-buck 11-14-2015 09:36 AM

Thanks a lot Rob.

amvcdotcom 11-14-2015 10:26 PM

What about the themes that come out of the can when opening a fresh install?

AmeliaG 11-14-2015 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20635082)
I found a great plugin that tests your theme for SEO compatibility. I ran it on a site that has been giving me SEO nightmares, and now I know why. :disgust

http://s13.postimg.org/bulnps5on/theme.jpg

Link to the plugin.

https://wordpress.org/plugins/template-seo-checker/

Love the wording on that plug-in. You almost expect it to start swearing at you.

bns666 11-14-2015 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20635250)
Some themes will have options to turn the built in SEO off, but if you keep it on and enable another SEO plugin on top of it, everything can get messed up..

Just look at the code and all options of themes that you use to be sure. I prefer a minimal theme to build on without extras, and avoid bloated themes like Suffusion unless you have time to go through every setting and know what you're doing.

agreed :thumbsup

Rob 11-14-2015 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amvcdotcom (Post 20635934)
What about the themes that come out of the can when opening a fresh install?

I'm working on that. I did a fresh install and using the standard default theme to build on. I'll let you know the results when I start recording them. :thumbsup

Craft 11-15-2015 04:28 AM

When you buy a theme it does not mean you bought it from a SEO expert.

It's just a website FIX and optimice it.

Onpage SEO....Not that hard.

Martin 11-15-2015 07:19 PM

Any thoughts on WordPress Themes & Website Templates by Gorilla Themes Plan on using the automotive theme for advertising my car lot and want to focus on getting it high on the SE's.

xxxjay 11-15-2015 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bns666 (Post 20635939)
agreed :thumbsup

Some of my best ranking stuff I use NO SEO plugin :)

anexsia 11-15-2015 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amvcdotcom (Post 20635934)
What about the themes that come out of the can when opening a fresh install?

Themes by Automattic (company behind Wordpress) are generally really nice.

mopek1 11-16-2015 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20635196)
themeforest themes are a nightmare. ... Bloated as fuck, slow as fuck, etc.

That's been my experience also.

nightslit 11-16-2015 05:15 AM

How to control my SEO if I have a self-made template?

Colmike9 11-16-2015 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightslit (Post 20636885)
How to control my SEO if I have a self-made template?

Normally..

mopek1 11-16-2015 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20635196)
Simple, free themes are a breath of fresh air.

Any recommendations?

brassmonkey 11-16-2015 09:13 AM

you can fix all that shit yourself. took me 1 day and i just reuse the theme change css and logo bam! :2 cents::2 cents:

Austin - MrSkinCash 11-16-2015 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20637117)
you can fix all that shit yourself. took me 1 day and i just reuse the theme change css and logo bam! :2 cents::2 cents:

Agreed. All it takes is a little time to get the site working fine.

TheSenator 01-18-2016 11:18 AM

5000.00 for mainstream site using a Themeforest theme. Another 500 to 800 a month for SEO. Another 500 to 800 for social media and content marketing... Another 50 a month for hosting and maintenance...

and another one...

HeadPimp 01-18-2016 11:27 AM

Great advice! Lots of template designers can make a beautiful theme, but not all of them can set it up to rank well.

Coup 01-18-2016 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20637117)
you can fix all that shit yourself. took me 1 day and i just reuse the theme change css and logo bam! :2 cents::2 cents:

Having webmaster skills is haram

CustomBusinessSoftware 01-18-2016 02:40 PM

thx for sharing

mopek1 01-18-2016 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 20703332)
5000.00 for mainstream site using a Themeforest theme. Another 500 to 800 a month for SEO. Another 500 to 800 for social media and content marketing... Another 50 a month for hosting and maintenance...

and another one...

Is that what you do? Buy mainstream sites for $5000 and then pay monthly marketing fees?

mce 01-18-2016 05:46 PM

This is scary :(

mineistaken 01-18-2016 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 20703332)
5000.00 for mainstream site using a Themeforest theme. Another 500 to 800 a month for SEO. Another 500 to 800 for social media and content marketing... Another 50 a month for hosting and maintenance...

and another one...

Your business model? :)

TheSenator 01-19-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20703775)
Your business model? :)

Yes.. that is the business model currently... I average about two to three sites a month.

mopek1 01-19-2016 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 20704636)
Yes.. that is the business model currently... I average about two to three sites a month.

How do you choose what site to buy for $5000?

How can you be sure of the income and can't you just make one yourself after you have had a few already?

TheSenator 01-19-2016 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 20704736)
How do you choose what site to buy for $5000?

How can you be sure of the income and can't you just make one yourself after you have had a few already?

I don't buy sites...My company charges for web design and development services.

mopek1 01-19-2016 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 20704751)
I don't buy sites...My company charges for web design and development services.

LOL ... I should have read your sig.


That's good monthly income charging $1000-$1600/month for SEO and Social Media promo.

mopek1 01-20-2016 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 20704751)
I don't buy sites...My company charges for web design and development services.

BTW, can you recommend any good wordpress themes that are visually appealing but not bloated and load lightening quick?

BoomBoomBenoit 01-20-2016 09:04 AM

Wordpress is an awesome CMS with a ton of great plugins. We recommend using wordpress for our clients and then do a full SEO audit before making the site live.

There are plugins for SEO (someone mentioned yoast) but if you're serious about SEO you really need to know/research what the best ways to optimize are. Yoast, for example, doesn't set meta keywords on your homepage. The meta keywords may play less of a role with Google today but they still contribute to your keyword density and the other meta crawler search engines depend on them. I've never understood firms that only optimize for Google. They're definitely king but a couple of small additions will help in the other engines as well.

Wordpress is a great CMS, you still need great optimization to audit it once it's got the themes and plugins setup to ensure you're maximizing your search presence :pimp

muthisdev 01-20-2016 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20635082)
I found a great plugin that tests your theme for SEO compatibility. I ran it on a site that has been giving me SEO nightmares, and now I know why. :disgust

Link to the plugin.

WordPress ? Template SEO Checker « WordPress Plugins

Any recommendations on something like this that works on any template?


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