Why Europeans don't like war
 

This is said by one of my german freinds on another board. It was so "dead on" that i thought i would share it¨:


First I should say, that I am German.

There is no reason at all to be proud of being an American. Neither is there anyone to be proud of being German.

I am German, because my parents are, they are German, because my Grandparents were. Germany as a geographic country is just a line, someone put on a map a long time ago. This line changed it position through wars, some started by Germans, some started by the French, Dutch, Austrians, whoever, several times and it is nothing more but pure coincidence that I am German. I can't find anything in this fact, that could fill me up with pride.
As a country, Germany is a package of treaties and laws, but I personaly have not worked on at least one of them, so how could I be proud of them?

I am not proud of being German and I don't understand people how are proud of being German/French/British/American/whatever.

You have no reason to be proud, just because you have been born somewhere between the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean, north of Mexico and south of Canada. And, unless your name is not George Washington, John Adams, Theodore or Frankling Rooseveld, John Kennedy or maybe even Bill Clinton, you also have not reason to be proud on being american, for you have done nothing more, to make the country and society the way it is today, than to live in it and that is quite little, isn?t it?

But allthough I can?t feel proud of being german, I can't deny, that I AM german. That means, that I also am european. And that means, that I have learned something from history, no American ever could have learned. War is terrible is terrible is terrible is terrible is terrible is terrible is terrible is terrible!!

And war always is against civilians. In Europe, there are a lot of small countrys, that battled each other for centuries. For these countrys are quite small (You could not go for more than 1000miles without reaching a border), all Europeans of times gone by have seen war. Europeans have seen, what it does to people. We know, what it means, being sieged, we know how it is, when your fields are scorched and your towns are burned.

Today, there are not lots of american civilians left, who know, how this feels. Maybe you should ask one of those, who have survived Pearl Harbour and even today, more than 60 years later start to cry when remembering this FEW hours of war. Ask them how it was to see war a few hours and than try to imagine, what it means, facing this for days, weeks, months or even years. Then you might realise, that bringing war to a country far away is not, what you would call an act of humanity.

You Americans DON?T know war and you should not try to pretend, you would know it. You have not seen a lot of wars on your own territory. Your civilians do not know, how it is to lie in cellars, while artillery shells or bombs drop around your house, you do not know the feeling, when your children are hungry, but there just is no food within 5miles you could get for them.

Europeans do. And that is, why we fear, yes FEAR, war and dare to not even be ashamed of it. That is, why we believe, that war is never a solution to political problems. And that is, why Europe today is a society, hold together by international agreements and friendship treaties and why all european states have given away some of its rights as independend nations to the European Union. And that is, why Europeans do not understand, why you Americans believe, the solution for the Iraq problem could be found in war.

You might not understand this, but you should try to respect it. Rumsfeld (whos origins lie in Germany) has called Germany and France ?the old Europe? that does not matter a lot and insulted many Germans and French by doing so.

But maybe you should think about this instead. Through a history ranging back for centurys, a culture has been grown, in which lots of nations live together and in peace. Maybe you should try to do the same then the exact opposite. You should say ?Hey, we want to do this, but we are not alone in the world and the rest of it, represented by the UN, does not want it so we obey and stand back in our so called national interests.? But you think, your national interest are worth more than the interests of the rest of the world and this is your greatest mistake and the reason, so many people troughout the world hate you.

As Americans, you should know something, called the freedom of speech. You must not believe the same, but you have to respect, that this is, what I believe. Several of your nations founders used a saying of Voltaire, I only know the German translation of, that sounds like this: ?I might damn, what you say, but I will give my life to ensure, that you are free to say it.? Stop talking about boycots, stop calling Germany and France ?old Europe? just think about Voltaires saying. And think about what I told you about the European sight on war.

And those of you, who now do not think about what I said but about the way I said it, the grammatical and orthographic bloopers in this text: First try to write a text about a theme this complex and sophisticated in another language than English then open your mouth.

God?s blessing upon thee, land of the free and home of the brave.

Europeans are professionals when it comes to war - centuries of war proof this.

The US are just amateurs and all we like to do is try to convince you that war is a bad thing and should only be used if all other options fail. And even then it should have the backing of the world community.

Is it so hard to accept that EUROPE knows alot more about wars?

He said a lot of inteligent stuff, now he'll get flamed.

It's amazing how that really could be an interesting and valid speech but that it comes across as very arrogant. So many Europeans just can't ever refrain from mixing good points with back hand slaps...

How many wars has he been in?

I see you America haters come post anti-american shit during the middle of the night.

It's a good thing im up late... to defend the constitution and freedom.

you keep saying that :1orglaugh :1orglaugh and i bet you belive it to

-and it's in the middle of the day in my country - just so you know.
You ARE aware of the fact there is a thing called "time zones" ? - and we are not talking about parking a car (not that you are old enough to have one)

"I see you America haters come post anti-american shit during the middle of the night."

... I am german, and I love the french, I love the brits, I love the spanish, I love the russians, I love the chinese, I love the americans, I love the brasilians, I love the indians, I love the argentinians, I love the israelians, I love the kurds, I love the dutch ... ahhh .... I love all people of planet earth.

I guess I sound a bit anti american here?

does it really matter how many wares he has actually faced? I don't think so. The only thi ng that matters is that war is no good way for solving problems ... well I dont wanne sound commonplace but I would give really much just to see this damn war never start...

Where did you see America haters?

If you dont support us... you are against us. If you are against us... you hate America.

Just like that Dixie Chick... she secretly hates America... that's why she spoke out against our great leader G. Bush.

well Im still for war so thats one european you can count out of your theory!

USA! USA! USA!

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DearAbby , I dont hate America. I hate stupid people. Like you.

LOL
Dubya doesn't win any prizes for intelligence, but compared to you he's a fucking genius :)

I think theres some subtle humour going on here that people are drowning in.

....yeah.... well at least we are going to bomb all you terrorist fuckers back to the stone age.


USA! USA! USA!

"DearAbby , I dont hate America. I hate stupid people. Like you."

... I love stupid people, they made and still make me a lot of money !!!

funkmaster stupid people may be useful for a lot of stuff, but I still cant love them. It's just something I was born with.

You're a fuckwit! :thumbsup

But that is fucking funny! :thumbsup

God bless you fat, ignorant Americans.

The rest of the world needs someone to make fun of... and you're such an easy target!

I love australians too ... as a matter of the fact I love australia more than some australians do ... that´s why I will return there shortly and convert to fairdinkumnism !!

only the stupid ppl will flame him....:glugglug

He just said he's coming back here to convert to fairdinkumism?

What more do you want from him?

... reposted for the fucking sake of it !!

sattle down mate....he must have posted the same time
i did ! :glugglug

No worriez. :glugglug

"He just said he's coming back here to convert to fairdinkumism?"

.. I will, if things work out australia will have me back in less than 2 month time.

are you a queenslander too Joe ?

Yes.

I live in Coorparoo in Brissie.

"I live in Coorparoo in Brissie."

... cool stuff, this is where I am haeding too ... well, at least nearby ...

you get this clap trap from many different people.
You don't want to be proud of your country? then don't. (I'm not sure what germany has to be proud of anyway)
Hate America for seeing a problem and striding forcefully across the world to handle it.
Hate America for ignoring the sniveling french, germans and others who would coddle saddam until he became too dangerous to disarm.
Hate America for not taking your stupid ideas seriously.
Hate America because we have the ability and the will to hunt down our enemies and make them no more.
Hate America for all the things it can do that your country can't.
And above all, hate Americans because *we* as a people *are* America and we are what makes it great.:thumbsup

How close nearby?

I'll buy ya a beer.

GFY !!! :321GFY :321GFY :321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT!

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:1orglaugh

"for ignoring the sniveling french, germans and others ...."

... well, you could at least mentioned our women´s hairy armpits !!!

joe, somewhere around brisbane, I have not decided yet, I will have to get my visa first ... but things are looking great ... I am in for a slab o´XXXX !!

Well email me at bongmadness at hotmail dot com and we'll hook up for a beer.

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Say what you like about Germany... they brew some great fucking beer!

That alone makes their culture great!

you ever come down to the gold coast joe ?
lmk if you do...i'll buy you a beer.. and Funkmaster...
nobody drinks XXXX it's only for tourists :glugglug

Yeah I know that...

Don't like the Gold Coast though.... I'm afraid I'll run into that nutcase Marty!

12clicks who said anything about hating America?
Jesus.. you actually believe you are so great and other people hate you. Fuck you (you, not America) , noone hates America except some crazy fucked up people that fly planes against tall buildings. The rest of us just hate war. Grow the fuck up!

12 how many fingers have you pulled today?

He's too busy pulling himself.

dude, hairy armpits is the least of your women's worries. :1orglaugh

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LOL he lives closer to brisbane then the gold coast
so you're save :))

She must have transplanted the hair from your receeding hairline onto her face. :1orglaugh

bastard ... how did my mothers photo got in your hands ??

dude, I could point out the threads but I'm too great to bother with you.:321GFY

Phew!!! Okay then... I'll have a beer with ya.

Claus, I'm your father. :1orglaugh