The Men refugees fleeing their countries. Cowards?
 

Would you bail out too or stick around and fight for your country? Just something I noticed. Lots of men in these crowds of refugees.

I thought about it too, I think the hardest part is that they have no way of getting organized together.

depends on if i thought it mattered :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

Fuck it, start your own rebel group.. haha.. Fuck that region is a hell hole.

I wouldn't be staying put in a country where Government was using barrel bombs against it's people and the insurgents were using seized tanks and armoured vehicles to fight against that. Then just for good measure IS are in the fray, taking over towns, enslaving women, killing men who aren't the right kind of Muslim and driving explosive laden SUVs into markets and blowing them up.

yeah noticed men in their 30s and 40s looking like they just got out of gym among refugees...

I've never understood people who fly the flags of countries they've left behind. I understand you might be, for example, Puerto Rican, but.... Outside of your house you fly the flag of a country you left while not flying the flag of the country that has become your home.

Would I stay and fight for my country? It depends on the country. If you live in some shit hole country that has nothing to offer and limited potential, most likely not. You can spend the next twenty or thirty years of your life fighting to survive, and at the end of the day you will have never have known what it feels like to own a brand new car.

People see how other people live in other countries and they say "I want that".

Easy to judge behind a keyboard...
And what? They send their wife and kids their way and pray that they can get to Europe without being robbed, raped, kidnapped or killed?
I don't know if any of you went to war, I personally never did and I genuinely think that it's impossible to predict the way one would react until you are under heavy fire.

Im not judging anybody.. Just spit ballin'. And some good point there..

I would piss myself, but at the same time I think that fighting for your kids future is something the every able bodied man should do. But I sure as hell am not picking up a gun and going lone wolf, would need to be part of an army and trained etc..

How do you stay and fight against forces able to do this to a once cosmopolitan community area ?

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People have done it.. That a war torn area.

That was a nice area in Aleppo. With apartments, shops, houses and local businesses.

Now decimated.

What do you expect the average citizen to do, throw rocks at the tanks ?

The men fleeing the ghetto and trailer park meth labs. Cowards?

:1orglaugh

it appears they have no means to stay and fight.

The Taliban and Rebel fighters in Iraq held off the Americans. You know the American also lost in Vietnam right?

That you could even compare any of those wars to the current situation says that you either don't understand the current situation, or you don't understand any of those wars.

The only commonality is: people got killed.

Everything else is a completely different ballpark.

The Taliban had done to Afghanistan what IS have done to Northern Iraq and parts of Syria when a power vacuum occurred after the departure of the Soviets. This left the average citizen in the hands of violent radical extremists.

The "Rebel Fighters" in Iraq actually didn't hold of the Americans, all they did was make areas of northern Iraq and outer Baghdad unliveable, this was essentially the group that was called Al Qaeda in Iraq which has morphed into IS.

Refugees poured out of Afghanistan in the 1980's and refugees poured out of Iraq in the 90's and 2000's. Australia was one of many countries that took these refugees.

The average citizen has no means to stay and fight against such destruction.

How is it different? Enlighten me plz.

All Im saying that regular everyday citizens have created resistance groups and held off big armies all through out history. Its not a new concept.

the Indianapolis Colts lost monday night, you neglected to mention that.

Oh you know how to hotlink a meme. Very clever. Never been done.

Their mistake is not that they are fleeing. Their mistake is that they waited two years too late. The smart ones left years ago and are already established in other countries.

Vietnam was won by a well organised guerrilla army backed by Soviet and Communist Vietnamese trained armies. The Vietnamese were extremely well trained in things like booby traps, sniper activities, purging villages using fire, flash strikes and rape as a weapon.

The reason America lost was, amongst other things, it thought carpet bombing would act as a viable response to these guerrilla tactics.

In Iraq and Afghanistan the fighters you speak of were assembled groups of well trained forces armed and trained by the USA and USSR in the first place. These forces were not average citizens fighting off oppressors, they were ruthless trained fighters with a fearless disregard for their own safety over their cause.

The average citizens, men included, fleeing Syria have no choice, what does someone with no combat training do ? Throw rocks at tanks ? Duck when a barrel bomb hurtles toward them and their family ?

All these groups started off as citizen groups. They just didnt appear from thin air well trained and ready to go.

Stay and fight (with what? for what?) or take your wife and kid(s) on a thousands of kms trek risking drowning, starvation, or at the very least winding up in an internment camp.

Tough choice either way.

Remember, Syria has been getting shredded by this war for years now. It's probably very likely that many and more of these people stayed as long as they could, possibly even fought some with what they had, and now see no other option than to get the hell out of there. Also, a lof of these refugees aren't even from Syria. Several of them have been spoken to directly by news media who were from all over, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

The trek they're all on certainly looks like it would be no picnic. Thus I don't think I would fling the word 'coward' their way.

No they didn't start off as citizen groups and they didn't come out of thin air.

In Vietnam it wasn't villagers fighting the Vietnamese guerrilla war, it was trained fighters, the Việt Cộng who emerged out of the National Liberation Front who had been training for many years before the war in Vietnam reached any kind of flashpoint.

In Iraq and Syria it's not average citizens who became IS. It was formed out of the Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad. Which in turn consisted of fighters trained by both the US and the Soviet armies and advisors. Also armed by them. The human fodder joining IS from the West are trained to do one thing, strap on a vest of explosives or drive a truck full of explosives to their deaths.

I have knowledge of this stuff because I am currently in the middle of a degree in Security Terrorism and Counterterrorism at Murdoch University, my second course of University study in the area of International Relations.

It's clear you have a very simplistic view of this stuff, try to think about your home town being ripped apart by tanks, bombs, grenades, shoulder launched missiles and mines. Then add armies with traditional explosive and chemical weapons and as an average citizen you have no hope. You either stay and die, or flee and perhaps get somewhere safe if you are lucky.

No you have it completely wrong.. The U.S. Military kicked the Taliban's ass and ran them out of Afghanistan into Pakistan. George Bush and his neocon cronies then set their eyes on Iraq and never finished the job in Afghanistan.

His fumbling then allowed the Taliban to regroup and fight from within Pakistan.. Obama then started hitting them in Pakistan, but by then it was a much harder victory to win.

What the CIA/SecOps paired up with the Northen Coalition managed to due during the beginning of the Afghan war is likely one of the most widely unknown military victories of any modern area. The Bush admin completly fucked up that war due to them being typical neo-con asshats with no plan other than we will bring them freedom fries..

You're wrong.

Yes the Taliban went to Pakistan to set up new training camps however they always had some kind of presence there.

Right now, as I type this, there are still Taliban fighters wreaking havoc all over Afghanistan.

Arguably the situation on the ground in most of the country (apart from Kabul) is worse than before the US and allies went in.

No peace until withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghanistan: Taliban leader

How do you fight against that? The same way people have for a LONG time. 1 man at a time.

Get close, Inflict damage and get out. When you fall others have to take up the same fight in the same way.


Make it so costly on the other guy that he gives up or leaves.

Bleed him to death.

Off you go then, show us how it's done. :2 cents:

Yes. :2 cents:

I would fight to the last drop of my blood, unless, I would have wife/ young children that I would need to protect in the first place.

You get the country you deserve. We didn't run from the British, and there was a hell of a lot more than 20,000 of them.

I like this new immigrant strategy its the best thing so far...I mean why fight for some puppet government the west installed in your country???...fucking make the west pay by immigrating to the country that fucked you up...fucking make the war mongers pay :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


the USA may be laughing because their stolen land is across the pond and they started all the shit in the middle east, but once europe becomes flooded to shit with muslims guess where they will turn to next? :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

you know that merica has the biggest number of spanish speaking people in the world? more than mexico?


well prepare for islam to come your way too :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

just keep fucking up the world with your bullshit wars and enjoy it becoming muslim LOL

thanks USA! :thumbsup

I would get da fuck outta war zone. If I learned something is that there is no positive outcome if any war. If you manage to get alive war will change tour view of life.In a negative way.

Since I am not religious and I don't believe in afterlife, I would run away as far as possible. I don't like guns,killing,torture or antyhing related.

Most countries and armies forget their soldiers once they are used or wounded.

wait, so now USA installed assad? jtfc. the amount of shit that gets made up at gfy.

more made-up bullshit. i'm thinking those bombs Clinton dropped on ya had a longterm impact.


USA has 41 million spainish speakers + 10 million bilingual. Mexico has 151 million spainish speakers alone.

This is a well stratigised scheme by ISIS etc to get martyrs into the EU, they are smart stratigists that seem to be out smarting the EU and the US they said they would infiltrate EU 18 months ago via refugee crisis and that is exactly what we are seeing now, these are smarter than any other enemies we have encountered in years and years, i dreed to see how the next 5 years pan out, the only way to stop this is with feet on the ground which the US and EU seem hesitant to do for some reason, maybe cause not enough oil yet

My bad you are the 2nd country in the world, you have more spanish speakers than Spain not mexico.

Patrick Swayze and highschoolers held off the Red Army.

Wolverines FTW.