What would happen if Iraq bombed Israel?
 

I think the Israelis would beat the US into Bagdad with a few startegic nukes.

only if they were chemical or biological weapons, not normal ordinence and even then the possibility is remote, for a starters everything would have to go through US command. It's more likely to be used as PR and justification for the Iraq attack then draw condemnation for using nukes.

Israel knows better than to use nukes. They might drop some bombs, but they aren't going to nuke anyone.

Listen to Mr. Fiction everyone, he seems to have all the FACTS about every country. :winkwink:

I notice you never post during the hours that Rush's show is on. Coincidence? :1orglaugh

If Saddam droped a few crues missiles into the lap of israel and cause the death of thousands, I think Israel wouldn't give a flying fuck and simply wipe out Iraq.

I just hope that our boys and girls get out of the way first.

Keep dreaming.

Israel would send a strongly worded complaint to the UN :winkwink:

Hey, I'm really a left wing liberal who hugs trees and writes poetry in my spare time.

This is just my GFY character. OR IS IT?

Uh-oh... conspiracy! Now run along and gather facts!

:winkwink:

No actually. Iraq bombed Israel during '91 without getting nuked, and this time we'll actually be going into bagdad, I'd love to see Israel try to nuke areas with US troops in them.. bye bye 300 million aid dollars.

If Israel gave the US a couple of hours warning to get out, what is the US going to do?

If I was Israel I would send the nukes 1 minute past the deadline and make myself a country fof my own and for my own people while eliminating a foe in the process.

Holy shit, are you serious? We might have more in common than you think. I'm really a right wing nut who spent eight of the last ten years protesting outside Clinton's mom's house in Arkansas. I just play a character who thinks Bush is worse than Clinton here. I actually think that a Whitehouse blowjob caused 9/11 and Bush is going to save the world! Interesting how GFY brings out people's best acting skills. :)

I have seen better :winkwink:

I would rather be marching into Bagdad with Israel at my side than any of our other so called allies. Not only would we get there quicker but with a lot less casualties I think.:2 cents:

Iraqi cruise missle
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Iraq didn't get nuked because the US begged Israel not to retaliate. We did it because their entry into the conflict would have broken the coalition, which included quite a few Arab nations.

Exactly, now I remebre that too. Damn that was close to an all out war then.

Interesting you use the word "begged". I wonder what right wingers think about the U.S. having to "beg" another country for anything? I thought the U.S. was too powerful to beg anyone for anything?

The right wingers didn't like alot of things about George Sr. He was much more of a centrist than his son has turned out to be.

Back to the thread topic: this time there is no coalition to protect, and Israel has warned the US and Iraq that it will retaliate if Saddam uses WMD's against them. I don't think anyone who knows anything about Israel and its defense policy doubts they would use nukes if sufficiently provoked.

Shit, they bulldozed an American peace activist what, 2 days ago?

So you are saying that coz some dumb 'peace activist' got flattened when she walked in front of a bulldozer then israel is sure to nuke iraq?!

Israel has warned iraq that it will retaliate but nothing was said about nukes (we don't have any ;) - israel is quite capable of dealing a heavy blow to iraq with conventional weapons but personally I think its more likely to make just a symbolic retaliation.. just enough to let other countries in the region know that its not a good idea to attack israel..

"What would happen if Iraq bombed Israel? "


IF? ...you mean When?

When the first bomb hits Israel.
They already said this time they will NOT stay put, they will fight back.

Anybody every read The prophecies of Nostredamus?

Everybody is worried, I want to believe that it will be over in 24 hours and that most of the soldiers will give up like in the last War. But who knows...

Sit back, wait and see.

What would you say of 6 billion ..... 300 million is just for the bulldozer squadron...

Our quebecois NAZI could not resist!!!

Israel would fuck them up BAD!

Israel would most likely retaliate if saddam sends any kind of wmd loaded scuds. If they are conventional scuds, then the pressure the USA is putting on Israel would probably avoid any kind of Israeli retaliation.
But it is quite clear that if mass casualty occurs in Israel due to an Arab country attacking them, then Israel would eradicate the attackers.

Israel couldn't respond because we refused to give their airforce command the friend or foe codes.

At the end of the day, Israel still knows its surrounded by 300 million Arabs and using Nukes could spark confrontations with other Arab countries.

The usual annual amount is about 3 billion but sometimes this is supplemented.

That is 100% true, in 91 Israel was being bombed by Iraq with scud missiles, Israel was on the verge of retaliating but the US was asked them not to instead they sent Israel a newly-developed weapon as the most sophisticated anti-missile defence in the world, capable of intercepting Iraqi Scud missiles. But I don?t think Israel is going to attack Iraq without the permission from the us after all the us is Israel?s big brother!!

03/19/2003 Subscribe to the print edition!

U.S Financial Aid To Israel:
Figures, Facts, and Impact



Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

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This part is not for you dav555add, because you can't read:

January/February 2001, pages 15-16

Congress Watch
A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion?and Counting

?By Shirl McArthur



With the turmoil surrounding the presidential election essentially freezing Congress into inaction, this is probably a good time to take another look at aid to Israel. The common figure given for U.S. aid to Israel is $3 billion per year?$1.2 billion in economic aid and $1.8 billion in military aid. As impressive as this figure is, however, since it represents about one-sixth of total U.S. foreign aid, the true figure is even more remarkable. It is difficult, however, to arrive at an exact number. Much of the money the U.S. gives Israel is buried in the budgets of other government agencies, primarily the Defense Department (DOD). Other subsidies come in a form that isn?t easily quantifiable, such as the early disbursement of aid, which allows Israel to gain (and the U.S. taxpayer to lose) the interest on the unspent money.
This year?s appropriations bills for FY 2001, which began Oct. 1, 2000, include, in addition to the $2.82 billion in economic and military foreign aid to Israel, an additional $60 million in so-called refugee resettlement and $250 million in the DOD budget, plus $85 million imputed interest, for a total of at least $3.215 billion. In addition, on Nov. 14, 2000, President William Clinton sent a special request to Congress for an additional $450 million in military aid to Israel in FY 2001, plus $350 million for FY 2002.
The package also included $225 million in military aid for Egypt and $75 million in security assistance for Jordan. The $450 million for Israel is not included in these calculations, because it is unclear at this writing whether Congress will approve the package in the current political climate.

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Now, please explain why the fact of correcting figures that were erroneous is NAZI ????

Didn't see: fucking jew
Didn't see: Hitler should have killed you all
Didn't see: your kill kids ( do Israel does)

On the other hand, this a post from you:

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Originally posted by dav555add


The arabs are responsible, they are the cancer of this planet.


There is only one solution to avoid or to have avoided this kind of terrorist attack;
Deport all arabs, forbid entry in the US of all arabs.
But obviously no President will have the balls to take such a drastic measure...


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So, you should shut the fuck up you idiot zionist .
People like you make that your race is targetted ...

You are a fucking oiece of shit floting in the toilet bowl... and I just flushed it>


:321GFY

I saw this special on what would happen if the situation in the middle east between Israel and the all the Arab countries that surround it would blow and they would decide to go to war, Israel with it massive military power would wipe all surrounding 300 million Arabs in a matter of a couple of days this is a known fact Israel is rated #3 in the world most powerful armies. And the Arab nations know it that?s why the cant do shit till today about this small little country which is located between the and is a pain in the neck!!

The dumb bitch deserved it! She must of thought she was protesting against a US based company that actually cared about PR. She didn't understand that fact that was standing in the way of a soldier who had specific orders to do what he had to do. Now, any other idiot that decides to jump in front of a bull dozer will know better. :thumbsup

do you know how many british soldiers are out their about to risk their lives in a few hours? only a fraction of what the US is sending but still a very significant number. the british army may not be one of the biggest but it's definately one of the most professional armies in the world. you obviously don't know what your talking about.

why would you get there quicker and with less casulaties with israel their instead of the british?

You know; I sure hope you're coming down to Florida this August, I think you and I are going to have a lot of fun together...
For Labret, I can understand, he is a freethinking philosophers, and I guess you can't get mad against philosophers, joe6packs is a radical retarded moron, and again; it's not nice to make fun of handicaped people. But you, you are a true NAZI, you need to be ERADICATED.

I don't think so. The US is obviously the most powerful. Then who's next on the list? I'd guess one of the following: China, Russia, North Korea, South Korea, Britain, Japan, India, Pakistan. I'd also guess that most of those have more powerful armies than Isreal.

That's what you believed, but the truth is Bush Sr. was no friend of Israel (which why it is surprising that Jr. is). Bush Sr. had a history of rebuffing the Israelis.

There have been stranger allies during war. Enemies frequently come together to oppose common enemies who are perceived even worse.

Sorry, I was in Pompano from Feb 23rd to March 10th. Great Wheater. Enjoyed visiting Ibill in Deerfield and had a few nice evening with my JEWISH friends among others.....

Zionist are nnot accepted tough ....

You still do not explain why NAZI ... Probably don't even know the meaning ....

Keep the insult coming ... that's what nazi's were doing in Germany when Jews were walking in the streets....

And zionist_dave555ad, something wrong with the figures that I posted... After all, I am a nazi because I corrected the 300 million that was posted as "aid"....

Numbers talk, bullshit walks, and you suck

And why don't you look up how much $$$ we give to Egypt (#2) and Colombia (#3). I'd say our money with Israel is a much better investment.

People seem to think we just give Israel money and that's it. Do you know how much money Israel turns around and pays U.S. companies? Israel also uses that money to develop technology that directly benefits the U.S. We don't just give them money for the hell of it. It serves our interests.


Here's an interesting article...

Aid to Israel
Does the U.S. get its money?s worth?

Israel and Egypt are the two largest recipients of U.S. aid. For its "participation" in the Gulf War, Egypt was forgiven its indebtedness of $9 billion. Israel pays its bills. It receives $2.8 billion every year. Of that amount, $2.0 billion is for military aid and $0.8 billion for economic aid. It?s fair to ask whether this is a good deal for the American taxpayer.

What are the Facts?

The only democratic country in the Middle East. Israel is the only genuinely democratic state in the Middle East. It is committed to freedom and equality, and the rule of law. It embodies the fundamental values that are in tune with those of America and that America has traditionally supported. Israel?s military and political importance in the Middle East and its strategic position stabilize the entire area, including the oil fields of the Persian Gulf. During the Cold War, it was America?s indispensable rampart against the inroads and expansionist ambitions of the Soviet Union. It is now a western bulwark against the aggressive intents of Iran, Iraq, and other bellicose nations that threaten the interests of the United States. It is a most reliable partner in the promotion of Western strategic interests and in the stabilization of the Middle East. Over 20% of its budget goes for defense, compared to 7% in the U.S. and less than 1% in Japan. Israel has one of the best armies in the world. Its navy and air force are the major deterrent forces in the eastern Mediterranean.

Israel effectively secures NATO?s southeastern flank, without having a single American soldier stationed in its territory. Still, the superb military installations, the air and sea lift capabilities, the equipment and food storage capacity, and the trained manpower to maintain and repair sophisticated U.S. equipment are instantly at hand in Israel. It is the only country in the area that makes itself available to the United States, in any contingency.

Only fraction of aid stays in Israel. There is no other country in the Middle East except Israel that can be considered to have a stable government or populace friendly to the United States. There is much danger that any military aid to Arab countries, and military equipment given or sold to them, will suffer the same fate as the untold billions of dollars and priceless military secrets that were lost to our enemies in the debacle of Iran. Is Saudi Arabia more stable? Egypt? Jordan? Kuwait? Judge for yourself!

Only a fraction of the aid given stays in Israel. By far the largest share remains with American defense contractors. Peter McPherson, former administrator of the Agency for International Development, estimated that every billion dollars of aid to Israel creates 60,000 to 70,000 jobs in the United States.

Compared to the $2.0 billion yearly military aid to Israel, the U.S. contributes more than $130 billion(!) every year to the defense of Europe and more than $30 billion to the defense of Japan, Korea, and the Far East. Over 300,000 U.S. troops are stationed with NATO and over 30,000 U.S. troops in the Far East. In contrast, not one single U.S. soldier needs to be stationed and put at risk in Israel. U.S. military analysts estimate that the U.S. would have to spend the equivalent of $150 billion a year in the Middle East to maintain a force equivalent to Israel?s.

There are many other benefits that the U.S. military derives from Israel. Israel is the only country that has gained battlefield experience with U.S. weapons. This experience is immediately conveyed to the U.S. Enormous quantities of captured Soviet weapons and defense systems were turned over to the U.S. military for analysis. Israel, in the light of its experience, continually modifies U.S. weapons systems. For instance, Israeli scientists have made over 200 improvements in the F-15 alone and similar improvements, mostly in avionics, in later-generation planes. It would be more in line with reality if military aid to Israel were classified as part of the defense budget, rather than as "aid". Israel is truly America?s unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East. Former President Reagan put it well: "The fall of Iran has increased Israel?s value as perhaps the only remaining strategic asset in the region on which the United States can fully rely." American aid to Israel is a two-way street. Aid to Israel is America?s greatest defense bargain.

shut up vermine
:1orglaugh

Exactly!

Iraq tried to bomb Israel last time around and only killed two people. And I believe those people died from using their gas masks wrong or heart attacks. If he uses chemical weapons, that's a different story, but I doubt he will.

Because the thread was not about Columbia, Egypt or anybody else.

The thread is:

What would happen if Iraq bombed Israel .... Then a popster said that Israel receives 300 million a year.

Sorry if I corrected that wrong figure and that it does offend you ...

By the way, would like the url of that article you posted. It is indeed interesting, and contrary to many, I like to see the other side of the medal.

A personal note to zionist_dave555add: do you want me to post my marriage licence to my jewish wife ( father from Hungary...).
Is it true you married an arab????




quote:
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Originally posted by dav555add


The arabs are responsible, they are the cancer of this planet.


There is only one solution to avoid or to have avoided this kind of terrorist attack;
Deport all arabs, forbid entry in the US of all arabs.
But obviously no President will have the balls to take such a drastic measure...


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You know, I think I will make this my signature. It grows on me....

:BangBang:

Never underestimate an angry zionist.

I guess the most we can hope for is that they'll get suicide bombed into submission before they get the chance to do any damage.

SB4L!

Funny.. thats probably exactly what saddam is thinking about the US now.. :321GFY

What a charming sentiment.

The U.S. is more likely to use nukes than Israel. The U.S. has actually said that they haven't ruled out the use of nukes under certain circumstances. Israel has said nothing to the like.

And I can't believe this crap about the peace protestor who was dumb enough to stand in front of a bulldozer. Given how frequently they do this, I'm surprised such an accident didn't occur earlier.

Okay, I may have been reading a little too much into it. People always make the argument that we give too much aid to Israel, while ignoring how much we give to Egypt.

Regarding the source you wanted...

Facts and Logic
http://factsandlogic.org/

Here is a list of articles there too...

http://factsandlogic.org/ads_and_positions.html


Also, check out http://honestreporting.com