For those of you that are die hard Bush supporters
 

While, in my considered opinion, removing Saddam from power is desirable, I do think that Bush is an abject failiure when it comes to diplomatic skills. He could not even convince our closest neighbors to get on board. I also think he is an abject failure when it comes to this Nations economy. He totally blew what was only a projected surplus over a ten year period and has put us back into deficit spending. I believe our economy will go even deeper into the tank while he is in office. Remember this at the next Presidential election. By the way I am not very pleased with the current Democratic Presidential hopefuls and can only hope that one finds their way into the arena.

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Exactly. Lets see if you get the same "You anti war, conspiracy theory, USA hater" spill everyone else does when they point out what a complete and utter fucking dipshit Bush is.

Where are the Bush supporters? Don't be embarrassed to post.

I support Bush, he says "nucular"

Although GWB diplomatic's skills are not the best, it is quite refreshing to have "no non sense" people leading us for a change. If they told the arabs to shove it, they would be my heros for ever.


2008
John McCain ----> President
Oliver North ----> Vice President


PS: Joe6Arabs and Labret, please don't reply here!

I wanna see Bob dole run for the next term

Chretien doesnt represent us. I support bush, and I am Canadian :thumbsup

This is the key. Ever seen that movie Unbreakable?

For every villain... there must be a hero... and vice versa.

Bush failed at protecting the US.
Bush failed at getting Bin Laden.
Bush failed at simply keeping the economy at what it was.
He failed in everything he's done....

But he is President, he's supposed to be the people's hero.

So how do you make yourself a hero? You create a villain.

Saddam has been there for a long time. Why focus on him now??

Simple... to make yourself a hero.

Question though... what if Bush fails at this too?

There's a difference between saying someone is an "utter fucking dipshit" and saying someone is a lousy diplomat.

Bush is a lousy diplomat. His speeches are terrible. He pauses too often, which totally fucks up the timing. His writers are too focused on writing "Bush style" instead of getting the point across.

He needs new writers. And he needs to take some speech classes, along with "kiss ass" classes. Clinton was so much better at kissing ass than Bush. Although I'd rather have someone be brash with me instead of kissing my ass, it's obvious others enjoy it when lips are pressed firmly against their anus.

theking, I think you are pretty offbase.

The economy will be mentioned a lot, but under Clinton it was extremely overvalued and built on things like furniture.com. It was also coming down when he was still in office. And all the cooking of the books like worldcom was going on while he was in office.

So an economy that was naturally adjusting and then furthur hurt because of 911 is what we have.


Would the country be better off with John Kerry or whoever, well thats your perogative to vote for him. Just keep in mind what 8 years of turning a blind eye got us.
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Failed at protecting the US? The 23 terrorists were in the US when Clinton "suck my dick" was President.

Failed at getting bin laden? That guy is pretty much running for his life and not far away from being caught or killed.

Failed at keeping the economy at what it was? You actually think that the global economy moves along sudden and radical changes? The economy was already going down the drain when GWB took over, and 9/11 just precipitated the recession.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by theking
[B]While, in my considered opinion- blah,blah



who asked.:1orglaugh

Did he stop any of that from happening?

That's what I thought.

Bush didn't stop me from stubbing my toe this morning either.

What an ineffectual leader he must be.

No one, not even Superman could have stopped what happened. All these events happened not because of someone's fault but because of a serie of events.

Did Bush stop some psychos from crashing into the WTC? Did he have the opportunity to? Well, conspiracy theorists say yes, but the rest of us say no.

Can someone prevent something from happening that they didn't know would happen?

How long has Osama been on the top "wanted" lists? I remember first hearing about him back in 1999, and apparently he was wanted for several years already at that time.

Maybe Clinton should have done some prevention? Or is it all Bush's fault? Ah yes... it's all the fault of Bush. He should have known terrorists would have some fun on September 11th, 2001. How stupid could he have been to not know that? Clinton surely would have...

yes... but still, as leader, he must feel ineffectual (that was a good word).

Anyway, it's an ego thing... it's a self esteem thing. I'm not saying he should have, or could have stopped it.

I'm saying he didn't... and if I was in his position... I'd feel that I had failed my nation. And I'm sure he does.

He is trying to prove to the nation, to the world and to himself that he's not a failure. That he is a hero... that he is a good leader.

Even if the world doesn't think he's failed in those things... I'm willing to bet that he feels that he has. And is trying to feed his own ego by flexing his military muscle and "doing some good in this world"

He was too busy having his cock sucked...

GWB never had and probably never will have the opportunity to show the US what he is worth. What do you think Gore would have done if he was the President?
The same thing but 6 months later.
Do you actually think that only one person, the President, actually makes decisions???

Well, for that he would have had to have said he was against the war. Duh.

You're missing my point. It's not a question of what anyone could have done...

He's not being judged (by me anyway) on what he did or didn't do when the heat was on.... it's what he does afterwards.

How he feels about it, what he does about it...

Do I think that any other president would have gone hard against terrorists (terra)? Of course I do.

Do I think that any other president would have just suddenly done an about face on Afghanistan and gone after Iraq?

No, I don't.

After 9/11 it became quite clear that global terrorism would hit western countries anywhere, anytime and with great savagery.
Countries like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia, North Korea are known to either help, harbor terrorits.
Afghanistan was the first target of the global war on terrorism, Iraq is the 2nd target, we will find out who is 3rd on the list by next winter.
I predict that North Korea will be next in line.
If those countries are left alone, then the next attack on a western country will not be a 3100 deaths attack but something a lot more grave.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Of the terrorists who were involved in the September 11, 2001, attacks, the majority of them entered the United States after George W. Bush took office.

Now, you have slammed Clinton because you mistakenly believed they entered while he was in office. You have been presented with the truth, which is that Bush actually allowed most of the terrorists into the country.

Do you now think Bush is responsible, or will you make up another excuse to blame Clinton for what happened while Bush was in office?

Regardless of what you say from here on out, you've proved that you don't know what you're talking about.

This info is available all over the web, but here is a source you probably trust, Fox:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,39298,00.html

I thought that you were educated, but obviously; you are totally retarded.
Neither Bush nor Clinton are responsible for 9/11.
There is no way on hell any government could have foreseen an attack of that magnitude.
There is only one solution to avoid or to have avoided this kind of terrorist attack; Deport all arabs, forbid entry in the US of all arabs. But obviously no President will have the balls to take such a drastic measure...

Educated or not, I don't come to GFY to post that "no one is responsible" - I come to argue. :1orglaugh

This is the part about mature debate that I love.... calling people names and questioning their intelligence.

This must be why you're not president :1orglaugh

The arabs are responsible, they are the cancer of this planet.

ahhh.... ok. Now I see where you're coming from.

true colours my friend..... true colours.

Hell one of those countries over there, think it was Yeman called Clinton up on the phone, Mr. Clinton we got Bin Laden, Clinton told'em keep him we don't want him, that's a FACT.

Dav did you mom have any non-retarded children?
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On Clinton's watch, the CIA instituted a special al-Qaida unit that thwarted several deadly conspiracies, including a scheme to blow up Los Angeles International Airport on Millennium Eve, and plots to bomb the Holland and Lincoln tunnels in New York as well as the United Nations building. Timely intelligence also prevented a deadly assault on the Israeli embassy in Washington. As early as 1996 -- as reported by the Post and other publications -- the State Department and the CIA began to neutralize dozens of terrorist cells overseas through prosecutions, extraditions and executions quietly undertaken by allies on every continent, from Albania to the Philippines.

A month before Clinton left office -- and nine months before the planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon -- those successful operations were praised by the nation's most experienced diplomats in this field, including conservatives. "Overall, I give them very high marks," said Robert Oakley, who served as ambassador for counterterrorism in the Reagan State Department, to a reporter for the Washington Post. "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama, which has made him stronger." Paul Bremer, who also held the same post under Reagan and later was chosen by congressional leaders to chair the National Commission on Terrorism, disagreed slightly with his colleague. Bremer told the Post he believed that the Clinton administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden."
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http://www.salon.com/politics/featur...ton/index.html

funny watching conservatives still bashing Clinton, whose only mistake was getting a blowjob in office. Other than that, I wouldn't trade one Bill Clinton for a hundred George Bushes.

JAG's lawyer said that in order to get bin laden, too many "innocent" civilians would have to die.

didn't clinton suck north korea's dick too, knew about a lot of the bs that's public now? oh well. bush isn't the greatest president, but he isn't at fault for everything that's going on. so he's a bad public speaker, i would be too.

but i think it's kinda amusing, not too often you get a president that openly says "fuck you" to the UN.

I am not a Clinton basher, I actually think that it's pretty cool he got blowjobs while Senators were calling him :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Untill, our government tells the arabs to go to hell, we will continue on having a terrorism problem

bad at making speeches
bad at the domestic economy
bad at international relations
bad at working with congress

what is he GOOD at?

nope that's why gig420 is not president.:Graucho

dav555add I think would do a better job of it than
Mr. Fiction:2 cents:

yeah he's brilliant with the xxxx is a fag threads

I think it's safe to say that none of us would do a good job... but I can tell you one thing... I'd never want a person in charge who can say "The arabs are responsible, they are the cancer of this planet."

Genocide on a race based on the actions of one, a few, a handful or even the majority is just not right.

The world itself would be a wasteland real quick in the hands of someone like that.

We had a surplus because of the DOT COM explosion... everyone made more money... Everyone paid more taxes. When the economy shrinks tax revenues go down.

Even if the spending were the same we'd likely have deficit spending!

9/11 and our war on terrorism COMBINED with the reduction of tax revenues due to tax cuts but mostly due to the lowered overall earnings is why we have a deficit.

Deficit spending is not necessarily a bad thing. We could have a nice balanced budget if we cut spending, but how would more terrorist attacks effect the economy?

Think he got some cock from China also. Fuck he was going to give'em
Long Beach harbor and part of Oakland until they got caught unloading Weapons at Oakland. I swear some of the people on this board has a Plex Glass Tummy.. so you can see.. head so far up you're ass

I didn't say I wanted him or anyone like him. I said he would be better than Mr. Fiction. Mr. Fiction would send'em food if they dropped a Nuke on us.

Admit it, you would vote for anyone Rush told you to, even me. :1orglaugh

I really don't think the Tax cuts have kicked in yet, a one time one of a few hundred the rest should be over the next 10 years or so. I could be mistaken.

We never had a surplus other than on paper. It was a projected surplus over a ten year period. Bush gave most of the projected surplus for the next ten years back to the tax payers in the form of a rebate. A surplus that did not exist other than on paper, but he gave the non-existent surplus to taxpayers in real money. That is the primary reason we are back into deficit spending. Any fool should have know that anything can happen and usually does, so there probably would never have been a surplus in the first place. I repeat he gave rebates to taxpayers from a non-existent surplus, only a projected surplus.

you sir a a few short of a sixpack if you believe that. I voted Clinton his 1st term. Did not vote for him his 2nd term.

why, after one of the most successful first terms in the history of the Presidency, didn't you vote for him for a second term?

Sup Pathfinder!

On MSNBC, tonight, Alexander Haig said that Syria will be next, and " maybe while our troops are there ".

He also, as it seems to be the new protocol of this administration, insulted France by a low intellect name calling ...


U neducated
Selfish
A ssociation

In fact, I think that to the contrary the name calling makes him perfect material to be president TODAY!

:warning

You are a zionist jew!

What was sucessful about it?

Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, World Trade Center bombing, appeasement of North Korea, Somalia, Haiti, waffling on Iraq, No Universal Healthcare (his big campaign promise), tax increases after promising tax cuts.

That's just off the top of my head.