Front-end frameworks, SASS and Compass
 

I developed my last two sites with above combo and I can't say how happy I'm I forced myself to start using them.
Especially SASS and Compass combo is amazing, you might not even need any front-end framework at all.

In my opinion complete Bootstrap can be overkill, actually it is. Rendering performance suffers if you have complicated DOM, JS or old device.

Considering to migrate to Foundation. Like also minimalstic Kraken framework.

Do you use SASS / Compass? And what front-end frameworks do you use?

Nice sass is fun. IMO bootstrap and foundation are really the same performance wise. Foundation has a slightly better grid system (and a couple useful extras baked in), but doesn't support ie8 or older browsers as gracefully as bootstrap.

I switch between both, but favor bootstrap a bit more because its just so easy :)

Do you ever suffer from performance issues, i.e. slow paint times?
Bootstrap / SASS can become resource demanding if not done properly.

Actually choosing the right selectors is in my opinion real art itself. Only people who understand DOM and delays well create really good CSS. I would love the say I'm good at DOM / paint analyses, but I would be lying.

I use SASS and don't use a front-end CSS framework. It's more flexible that way. I use Bourbon instead of Compass though.

If you have the time to develop your own code it's best thing to do.

But let's think of a scenario: a portal site (registrations, many forms, user profiles, etc. ). Doing all this from scratch for will be very demanding and time is a rare commodity for me.

Welcome to the club. I migrated over 40 websites last year from an archaic framework to a new MVC model and the front-end using SASS/compass. Was very happy that I did so.

I also decided not to go with Bootstrap and built my own backend/frontend based on the same techniques.

I've moved from Bootstrap to Foundation.

That's another framework that after a few projects I did not like the verbosity of the layouts. Both were too strict for managing hosts of sites and ended looking very cookie cutter. They're both good baselines though. :thumbsup

If you start using mixins it allows you to move away from default Bootstrap / Foundation very easily.

What i like about those frameworks is variables. _variables with custom mixins - that's a HUGE win for a front-end development.

Have a look at Pure ( Pure ) - it's a decent framework and extremely minimalist/lightweight.

Having said that, I prefer bootstrap/SASS/bourbon/Gulp

Pure is nice. Fast. I see they fixed ugly sidebar off-canavas "bump"
on menu close.

Unfortunately, they don't support SASS and there is only an un-official fork not updated very often.

nice sites betty :thumbsup

Thank you.

All our new sites user combo purecss + compass + sass + custom wordPress theme. Easy to update and very lightweight. As bonus we still support old browsers whereas last foundation doesn't

1. Do you use this SASS port - https://github.com/fourseven/pure-sass ?
2. Did you manage to fix the ugly menu bump (scrolling down with sideba menu opened).)
3. Clean templates. If it's not a secret, what JS did you use for menu collapsing?

Thank you

You can use SASS with any framework. It really is irrelevant if they supported or not. You can keep their portions as is, and you can expand your css via SASS.

I'm aware of that. However if the framework doesn't have a well maintained SASS port, you will surely run into problems in future. :2 cents:

Compare "update gem" and manual update. dozens of hours difference depending on framework

Not if you keep them separate of each other. You shouldn't be messing with the frameworks base format anyway--thats one of the reasons to use the framework in the first place.

I disagree. While I agree you shouldn't touch the framework source and use overwrites instead, you should take the advantage of _variables partials. Changing variable values in _partials is the real strength of any framework /SASS combo.

Oh, you're actually not disagreeing; I do use _partials from various sources. You can use _partials from any other projects in your SASS by imported into frameworks project ;)

Misunderstanding then :)

Strange is how some WP theme don§t provide LESS /SASS files. I think in 2015 it should be default if you pay for the theme.