US Govt snooping on all cell calls ....

**faxxaff** · 01-02-2015, 09:38 PM

There are laws covering that. They just do their job to protect you .... since you feel the need to be protected.

**fappingJack** · 01-02-2015, 10:28 PM

hmm. protecting from what? who? Quite confused here.

**DamageX** · 01-02-2015, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by NALEM

I had read other stories in the past year about these "snooping" cell towers. The great freedoms that we all think we have when in the USA.

Freedom is an illusion which you are graciously being allowed to enjoy.

Originally posted by fappingJack

hmm. protecting from what? who? Quite confused here.

Camel jockeys flying jumbo jets into skyscrapers.

**Captain Kawaii** · 01-03-2015, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

Freedom is an illusion which you are graciously being allowed to enjoy.

Camel jockeys flying jumbo jets into skyscrapers.

But on whose payroll?

**DamageX** · 01-03-2015, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by Captain Kawaii

But on whose payroll?

Who cares? THOU SHALT BE PROTECTED!

**FriendsForNow** · 01-03-2015, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by NALEM

I had read other stories in the past year about these "snooping" cell towers. The great freedoms that we all think we have when in the USA.

Thinking of yourself instead of seeing the big picture?

Please read the terrorist threats from N. Korea, ISIS, al qaeda, and the Taleban who are responsible for killing 130 school children. How do you propose the government catches USA based rogue sleeper cell terrorists connected with those factions?

**Captain Kawaii** · 01-03-2015, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

Who cares? THOU SHALT BE PROTECTED!

I have condoms for that.

**Captain Kawaii** · 01-03-2015, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by FriendsForNow

Thinking of yourself instead of seeing the big picture?

Please read the terrorist threats from N. Korea, ISIS, al qaeda, and the Taleban who are responsible for killing 130 school children. How do you propose the government catches USA based rogue sleeper cell terrorists connected with those factions?

Eat a bag of bear dicks hillbilly and shut the fuck up. No one gives a shit what you think.

**shoot twice** · 01-03-2015, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

Camel jockeys flying jumbo jets into skyscrapers.

Stop building skyscrapers or bring back boat travel.

**DamageX** · 01-03-2015, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by shoot twice

Stop building skyscrapers or bring back boat travel.

Hell, why stop there? Let's all just move back into caves, that should teach them!

**just a punk** · 01-03-2015, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by NALEM

I had read other stories in the past year about these "snooping" cell towers. The great freedoms that we all think we have when in the USA.

Did you say "freedom"? LOL )))

**klinton** · 01-03-2015, 03:52 AM

dude, where have you been ?
just read all this carefully
https://freesnowden.is/revelations/
https://nsa.gov1.info/dni/2014/index.html

**Barry-xlovecam** · 01-03-2015, 03:53 AM

[B]ut according to Wired, that’s in part because the Harris Corporation makes law enforcement organizations sign non-disclosure agreements that preclude them from revealing their use of the technology to the courts. ...

... In Baltimore, the EFF said, prosecutors gave up on use of evidence gathered through a Stingray after “a judge threatened to hold a police officer in contempt for refusing to testify about the device.” ...

... According to the EFF, Tacoma judges are now requiring police say when they plan to implement the technology in surveillance and that they commit to not keep data related to people who aren’t part of an investigation. State Supreme Courts in Florida and Massachusetts ruled that police must get warrants for any real-time cell phone monitoring, as did lawmakers in nine states — Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Colorado, Minnesota, Maryland, Utah, Virginia, and Tennessee. ...

These things debunk the conspiracy theorists (CT) as these unlawful acts of law enforcement get disclosed. As long as the intercepts are targeted to ''persons of interest'' and there is proper court oversight it's not a problem but when the net is cast wide and persons are arbitrarily spied on it becomes a 4th Amendment constitutional infringement.

America is free only because there are disclosures like this. How much do you find out about your own national security services malfeasance? Ignorance is bliss or is it just ignorance?

**Grapesoda** · 01-03-2015, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by NALEM

Reading tech articles and came across this one.

EFF: Law enforcement 'desperately' trying to hide use of surveillance cell towers | VentureBeat | Security | by Daniel Terdiman

I had read other stories in the past year about these "snooping" cell towers. The great freedoms that we all think we have when in the USA.

nothing gets by you does it? (buy a vowel dude)

**shoot twice** · 01-03-2015, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

Hell, why stop there? Let's all just move back into caves, that should teach them!

Isn't that were the "terrorists" are supposed to live?

**Bladewire** · 01-03-2015, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by NALEM

The great freedoms that we all think we have when in the USA.

Makes me giggle everytime a foreigner lops all Americans into the sheeple category

I left the U.S. without stepping foot back here for 5 years. You don't need to use misogyny when addressing Americans on this board. we're a very unusual diverse group outside the sheeple norm

We all know that America is being setup for Chinese style censorship under the guise of a businesses right to choose. When the adult industries freedom of expression via online social platforms is violated due to "community guidelines" from platform to platform, you know there's an issue.

The more the masses rely on digital communication, the more power the government has to censor, reorganise (FB) or alter communications.

Imagine your local sherrif being able to intercept and delete all models text/calls to you through Google Voice because they don't want a pornographer in town. You think business is slow, recruit harder, still few models getting back to you. Endless scenarios of what's possible, and probably happening

**Angelo22** · 01-03-2015, 07:34 AM

Doubt they're listening to any of the common people though

**dyna mo** · 01-03-2015, 07:40 AM

OP needs to stop reading tech articles since he cannot understand tech.

**seeric** · 01-03-2015, 07:47 AM

Holy shit they're going to find out that I call Home Depot and ask my neighbor if he needs anything while I'm there.

The only real message in this article is, if you are a criminal; a smart one, you should just put your phone into airplane mode before you do anything related to the crime you intend to commit.

Better yet, just turn the fucking phone off and get a burner.

Dummies.

**Fat Panda** · 01-03-2015, 09:05 AM

common knowledge. gotta love the radical right wing fascist police state of amerika

**Robbie** · 01-03-2015, 09:26 AM

It's amazing how far we are these days from the original concept of govt. laid out by our founding fathers.

For instance (and I think this would apply to the way we allow the govt. to spy on us)...the first coin ever produced by the United States Of America did NOT have "In God We Trust" on it.

Nope. It was designed by Benjamin Franklin and had "Mind Your Business" imprinted on it.

The founding fathers fought a very REAL war right here on this continent to be free. And we have been handing over those freedoms in increments ever since.

They would be very ashamed of us. They put together a rag-tag army and defeated the greatest military power on Earth to gain our freedom.
And here we are so fearful of some camel herders in the mideast that we voluntarily surrender those very freedoms.

I think that if Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc. could be transported to the present day...they would get ropes and start hanging everyone in govt. for treason.

**johnnyloadproductions** · 01-03-2015, 12:12 PM

What probably happens is everything gets sampled by software and when certain things hit enough suspicion points, it gets human eyes to view it.
For the most part, as long as the government doesn't have corrupt intentions and any kind of absolute power, it's not a huge concern.

Lots of stupid religious radicals with twisted agendas.

**hadden** · 01-03-2015, 12:29 PM

I try to use as many trigger words as possible whilst on the phone, I find it improves call quality.

**Bladewire** · 01-03-2015, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by johnnyloadproductions

For the most part, as long as the government doesn't have corrupt intentions and any kind of absolute power, it's not a huge concern.

This is how Chinese censorship came into play, as a way of keeping the communist party in rule.

In America censorship is billed as 1) Keeping us safe 2) Protecting the children 3) Community standards.

They are both censorship

**crockett** · 01-03-2015, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by NALEM

Reading tech articles and came across this one.

EFF: Law enforcement 'desperately' trying to hide use of surveillance cell towers | VentureBeat | Security | by Daniel Terdiman

I had read other stories in the past year about these "snooping" cell towers. The great freedoms that we all think we have when in the USA.

I've posted about this before. the company that developed them is in my hometown. they call them stingrays and police departments are setting them as well as the federal govt. They also have van mounted models that can be moved anywhere for specific targets or even large events.

**Bladewire** · 01-03-2015, 04:28 PM

**shoot twice** · 01-04-2015, 02:29 AM

I still use my land line. A court order is required to listen in on land lines.

**klinton** · 01-04-2015, 03:32 AM

basically saying - what they do is ILLEGAL from the moral and basic human rights view, but they are still not prison.....

I'm talking about mass surveillance

**klinton** · 01-04-2015, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by johnnyloadproductions

For the most part, as long as the government doesn't have corrupt intentions and any kind of absolute power, it's not a huge concern.

just think if access to such knowledge without any supervising is not a ABSOLUTE POWER....

and which government doesnt have a corrupt intentions ? they pretend to be representants of the people, but the only thing what they do care about is lobbists' money... they are slaves and friends of banksters, big corpos and special services, all combined toegther since thousands of years

**klinton** · 01-04-2015, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by shoot twice

I still use my land line. A court order is required to listen in on land lines.

**seeandsee** · 01-04-2015, 03:40 AM

they spy everyything

**Arnox** · 01-04-2015, 04:25 AM

I pity the fucker that has to sit through and listen to endless hours of old women talking about someone they know having a tumor because they might be talking about a terrorist bombing half-way through.

What a shit job that must be.

They can listen to my calls if they want. It's just those fucking Indians offering me a special SEO deal on my latest registered domain name. Hell, it would be more enjoyable trolling them if I had an audience.

**freecartoonporn** · 01-04-2015, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by Arnox

I pity the fucker that has to sit through and listen to endless hours of old women talking about someone they know having a tumor because they might be talking about a terrorist bombing half-way through.

What a shit job that must be.

They can listen to my calls if they want. It's just those fucking Indians offering me a special SEO deal on my latest registered domain name. Hell, it would be more enjoyable trolling them if I had an audience.

speech to text and then look for keywords. i guesss.

**Arnox** · 01-04-2015, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by freecartoonporn

speech to text and then look for keywords. i guesss.

Honestly, if YouTube can't nail automatic captioning of audio, I doubt the government has much chance.

Go to any YouTube video and take a look at the automatic captions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn8GQs54bsU

What was said:

Tell me what happened tonight.

Ah, I was just sitting at home having some dots and then the police come up, knocked on my door, told me that I have to evacuate, just because they reckon there's a bomb threat around the place. And I just tripped out, ya'know? I was like 'Oh, shit.', must just be happening overseas or something.

But yeah, I just packed up my stuff and left. But looks pretty serious, they've got the cops here and that. Reckon they're bringing the bomb squad in. But yeah, I dunno, pretty trippy stuff, eh?

What YouTube thinks was said:

through though it's only 11 tonight are
owes the surname having some dots in in police come up knocked them out to
to me that I have to victory discuss their can't
on three around the place and I just ripped a nose nosed kid
must be just happening overseas or something by others picked up mister
finley
but looks pretty seriously keep the cops in
we can you bring the bone scored in your new
pretty trippy stuff P

But yeah, I imagine they do have some automated way of picking up on naughty stuff. My comment was more said in a comedic fashion.

**DamageX** · 01-04-2015, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by shoot twice

I still use my land line. A court order is required to listen in on land lines.

Fancy buying a bridge or two from me? I'll even throw in some swampland at no extra cost.

**Barry-xlovecam** · 01-04-2015, 08:15 AM

Code:

$ man openssl 

see:enc

https://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/openssl.html

C3TV - Reconstructing narratives

Google and their https SSL/TLS is a joke -- watch the video ;)

Off-the-Record Messaging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**shoot twice** · 01-04-2015, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

Fancy buying a bridge or two from me? I'll even throw in some swampland at no extra cost.

Don't believe then do some research.
A land line to a land line phone calls still fall under the old wiretap laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception

**Robbie** · 01-04-2015, 11:46 AM

shoot twice...I don't think our govt. agencies follow the law.
The "law" seems to only exist to put citizens in jail.

**baddog** · 01-04-2015, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by shoot twice

I still use my land line. A court order is required to listen in on land lines.

Well, for legal wiretaps they do.

**Bladewire** · 01-04-2015, 12:44 PM

Install any apps that request permission to your contacts, mic, camera, instant messaging etc without further authorization? Is your phone service bundled with your cable service?

I was shocked to see how sensitive the mic was on my phone when I turned on voice recognition, with the TV on

**klinton** · 01-04-2015, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by shoot twice

Don't believe then do some research.
A land line to a land line phone calls still fall under the old wiretap laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception

in case you ever under the rock in last 18 months.....

NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily | US news | The Guardian

more to come..+ use your imagination

**shoot twice** · 01-04-2015, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Well, for legal wiretaps they do.

Originally posted by Robbie

shoot twice...I don't think our govt. agencies follow the law.
The "law" seems to only exist to put citizens in jail.

Land lines and cell phones are 2 different things.

For land line telephones the majority of the laws that protect against a wire tap without a warrant were established long before the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act.

For cell phones and other digital communications a provision 18 U.S.C. § 3121 within the Electronic Communications Privacy Act permits government agencies to collect data without a warrant subject to limitations. ie: They're allowed everything except the actual content of the communication.

Henceforth if you want maximum privacy then use and old fashion land line telephone that's plugged into the wall of your home and only call other land line telephones. But don't take my word for it and do your own research.

**Robbie** · 01-04-2015, 05:17 PM

I'm not arguing your point about the legality.

What I am saying is that the NSA (and the federal govt.) do things illegally all the time.
But since they have no real oversight...they don't get caught.

So the laws are meaningless to them.

Hell, if it weren't for Edward Snowden whistleblowing, we still wouldn't know that they were doing it.

And if you noticed...nobody at the NSA or any other federal agency has been prosecuted for what they are doing.
The only person in trouble is...Snowden.

That's how shit works when you are dealing with the United States federal govt.

**Joshua G** · 01-04-2015, 05:18 PM

its unbelievable, all the hand wringing about the govt intruding on amendment 4, when the real problem comes from the hackers that steal credit card data, steal identities, will encrypt your drive/DDOS your site & hold it hostage for ransom. or it can be an ex BF/GF who is jealous & sets up an app in your phone to track you, or sticks a GPS on your car. or a pervert that flies a drone to your bedroom window & snaps pics.

AKA, all this comes back to microsoft.

**klinton** · 01-04-2015, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Joshua G

its unbelievable, all the hand wringing about the govt intruding on amendment 4, when the real problem comes from the hackers that steal credit card data, steal identities, will encrypt your drive/DDOS your site & hold it hostage for ransom. or it can be an ex BF/GF who is jealous & sets up an app in your phone to track you, or sticks a GPS on your car. or a pervert that flies a drone to your bedroom window & snaps pics.

AKA, all this comes back to microsoft.

neither of what you mentioned do it on SUCH SCALE. like surveilling HUNDREDS OF MILIONS of people, putting malware to thousands of networks, collecting metadata of all users, trying to hack to other systems/networks, putting malware , weaking security standards on purpose and so on

leaving such great power to few organisations (better yet - without any supervising and governing) it's just DANGEROUS.....

**klinton** · 01-04-2015, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

I'm not arguing your point about the legality.

What I am saying is that the NSA (and the federal govt.) do things illegally all the time.
But since they have no real oversight...they don't get caught.

So the laws are meaningless to them.

Hell, if it weren't for Edward Snowden whistleblowing, we still wouldn't know that they were doing it.

And if you noticed...nobody at the NSA or any other federal agency has been prosecuted for what they are doing.
The only person in trouble is...Snowden.

That's how shit works when you are dealing with the United States federal govt.

besides all laws and so on - that usually change , what they do is simply WRONG, by basic morals, basic laws, natural laws and common sense.

the only people who were doing such things without any punishment were DICTATORS....

**escorpio** · 01-04-2015, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

It was designed by Benjamin Franklin and had "Mind Your Business" imprinted on it.

I didn't know that. Fucking awesome!

**shoot twice** · 01-05-2015, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

I'm not arguing your point about the legality.

What I am saying is that the NSA (and the federal govt.) do things illegally all the time.
But since they have no real oversight...they don't get caught.

So the laws are meaningless to them.

If you're the person that makes the laws then you can change the laws any time you want to suit your needs.

What the government is doing with digital communications is legal. Provision 18 U.S.C. § 3121 within the Electronic Communications Privacy Act allows them to do exactly what they're doing with your cell phones, tablets, emails, etc.

Where you're shocked is the massive scale and how efficiently that they're able to do these things.

For the record I agree it's not right what they're doing. But they have... (a) The technology... (b) The ability to change the laws when they want... (c)The muscle to beat anyone that complains into submission

Therefore the only solution is to avoid being spied on is to not own or use a cell phone.

**Barry-xlovecam** · 01-05-2015, 03:13 AM

Not to own a cellphone?

Using that logic I would avoid all the motor vehicle laws by just using my horse and wagon ...

Wireless communications have the same protections by law as wired (land line)

18 U.S. Code § 2511 - Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited | LII / Legal Information Institute

There is an exception of foreign intelligence and counter intelligence and hair-splitting over wireless meta-data collection.

Don't conspire to commit acts of terrorism or crimes on a wireless device or Internet IM. The only problem that is legitimate is personal and business privacy of legal communications. As a business, I wouldn't want anyone intercepting our internal business communications and profiting from that knowledge illicitly.

But then, we are a little more sophisticated than talking on cellphones and messaging on Skype -- countermeasures to ensure privacy are in place ...

US Govt snooping on all cell calls ....

US Govt snooping on all cell calls ....

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