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brassmonkey 08-23-2014 09:20 AM
U.S. Refused to Pay ISIL's Ransom Demands for James Foley
 
if you are not important you are dead :2 cents: if it was obamas kid you think he would have paid???

As we learn more about the death of journalist James Foley, from the U.S. Special Forces' attempt to save him to the possible identity of his executioner, more information is being revealed about the context of his death.

ISIL, the radical Sunni group that has conquered large swaths of northern Iraq and Syria, executed him earlier this week, claiming it was in retaliation for the American-led airstrikes that have proven effective in stemming ISIL's offensive. (On Wednesday, President Obama said those airstrikes would continue).

Long before the dark bluster behind ISIL's rationale for killing an American civilian, there had reportedly been a call for a ransom. Philip Balboni, Foley's boss at GlobalPost, told The Wall Street Journal that the captors demanded 100 million euros in exchange for Foley's release. The New York Times reported the figure as $100 million USD, and says the captors also added other demands, including an exchange of prisoners being held by the United States.

full article...

dyna mo 08-23-2014 09:23 AM
you're joking right? you want $100 million dollars of money you paid taxes into to pay off ISIS so they wont kill 1 journalist. and make some bizarre leap in logic about BO's kid?

fucking lolz

Sly 08-23-2014 09:25 AM
US doesn't pay ransom or reward terrorists. We sure as hell better not start now.

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20202228)
you're joking right? you want $100 million dollars of money you paid taxes into to pay off ISIS so they wont kill 1 journalist. and make some bizarre leap in logic about BO's kid?

fucking lolz
im sure if it was your kid they are sol

Roald 08-23-2014 09:28 AM
Paying up would for sure cause more cases to pop up. Not the right approach at all.

MaDalton 08-23-2014 09:28 AM
it is common policy that no ransom money will be paid - and when you choose to work in a war zone, you know that

pornmasta 08-23-2014 09:29 AM
You have to give your whole country to the terrorists to free Foley

Sly 08-23-2014 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20202229)
US doesn't pay ransom or reward terrorists. We sure as hell better not start now.
One could probably argue that the prisoner swap from a few months back led to the ransom/decapitation of Mr. Foley. Did the trade play a part or not, who knows, but it does make you wonder.

dyna mo 08-23-2014 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20202234)
im sure if it was your kid they are sol
no, I'd go on gfy and act like a brassmonkey and talk smack about how ima kill every motherufcking isis motherfucker with my 9 and bring my boy back and hi-5

Dvae 08-23-2014 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20202229)
US doesn't pay ransom or reward terrorists. We sure as hell better not start now.
The US doesn't but Obama does.
Bergdahl ring any bells?

Dvae 08-23-2014 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20202223)
if you are not important you are dead :2 cents: if it was obamas kid you think he would have paid???
http://www.demotivationalposters.org...315352695.jpeg

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20202249)
no, I'd go on gfy and act like a brassmonkey and talk smack about how ima kill every motherufcking isis motherfucker with my 9 and bring my boy back and hi-5
9mm i have ak's sks ar-15's :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Joshua G 08-23-2014 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20202223)
if it was obamas kid you think he would have paid?
actually no. if ISIL ever acquires such a VIP, it is not conceivable they will return such a prize. they would be addicted to the publicity like a kardashian.



:2 cents:

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 09:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh (Post 20202271)
actually no. if ISIL ever acquires such a VIP, it is not conceivable they will return such a prize. they would be addicted to the publicity like a kardashian.



:2 cents:
yeah probably right :2 cents:

baddog 08-23-2014 10:03 AM
I saw Foley's brother on the news yesterday suggesting that because his brother died we need to change our policies about paying ransoms. He is as much of an idiot as brassmonkey

Sly 08-23-2014 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20202283)
I saw Foley's brother on the news yesterday suggesting that because his brother died we need to change our policies about paying ransoms. He is as much of an idiot as brassmonkey
Or change our policies as to whether or not we allow American journalists into extremely dangerous areas?

I don't support either policy change, but if we are throwing out new changes due to one tragedy, let's throw in all options!

mineistaken 08-23-2014 10:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20202289)
Or change our policies as to whether or not we allow American journalists into extremely dangerous areas?
How do you not allow your citizens to enter some countries? Fine them when/if they come back?

Matt 26z 08-23-2014 10:29 AM
I don't know how Foley was being paid, but if it was anything like private contractor jobs in Iraq and Afghanistan he was making a lot of money. Far more than he could have made covering stories from home. If so, that means he accepted the risk with the reward.

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20202283)
I saw Foley's brother on the news yesterday suggesting that because his brother died we need to change our policies about paying ransoms. He is as much of an idiot as brassmonkey
name calling? how old are you?? say it was good girl would you try to pay?? when its your own its different :2 cents:

blackmonsters 08-23-2014 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20202322)
name calling? how old are you?? say it was good girl would you try to pay?? when its your own its different :2 cents:
Nobody is going to pay $100 mil for a hostage.

It might be a legit complaint to not have paid $20k but not $100M.

Bryan G 08-23-2014 11:18 AM
This guy knew the dangers of being there. He was already captured once and realeased, then he goes back and his family expects the government to pay a ransom?

Sly 08-23-2014 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 20202360)
This guy knew the dangers of being there. He was already captured once and realeased, then he goes back and his family expects the government to pay a ransom?
A ransom that would further fund a terrorist State that would use the money to kill thousands, not one person, thousands of people.

SilentKnight 08-23-2014 11:34 AM
Mel Gibson's character in Ransom had the perfect solution.

Don't pay the ransom. Instead - use the $100 million as a bounty on the heads of the kidnappers.

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 11:37 AM
yeah you all talk shit until its your family:2 cents: just wait till it gets more extreme

TheSquealer 08-23-2014 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20202370)
Mel Gibson's character in Ransom had the perfect solution.

Don't pay the ransom. Instead - use the $100 million as a bounty on the heads of the kidnappers.
Russians had a better solution years back in Beirut (I think) when diplomats were taken hostage and they sent a head of a hostage out in a box - the Russians sent a head of one of their family members in.

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20202394)
Russians had a better solution years back in Beirut (I think) when diplomats were taken hostage and they sent a head of a hostage out in a box - the Russians sent a head of one of their family members in.
i was telling a family member that. when you catch these people you kill their bloodline

L-Pink 08-23-2014 12:13 PM
Pay once and you'll be paying everyday.

MaDalton 08-23-2014 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20202372)
yeah you all talk shit until its your family:2 cents: just wait till it gets more extreme
read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_Flight_181

Quote:
Aftermath
News of the rescue of the hostages was followed by the deaths of RAF members Andreas Baader, Gudrun Ensslin and Jan-Carl Raspe at JVA Stuttgart-Stammheim. RAF member Irmgard Möller also attempted suicide but survived her injuries. On Wednesday 19 October, the body of Hanns-Martin Schleyer, who had been kidnapped by the RAF some 5 weeks prior to the hijacking, was found in the boot of a car on a Mulhouse side street after the RAF heard of the deaths of their comrades. They contacted the Paris newspaper Libération to announce his 'execution' and a subsequent post-mortem examination indicated that he had been killed the previous day.

After the Landshut crisis, the German government stated that it would never negotiate with terrorists again (as it had previously with the Lufthansa Flight 649 and 615 hijacks). Chancellor Helmut Schmidt was widely praised internationally for his decision to storm the aircraft to rescue the hostages.

DWB 08-23-2014 12:33 PM
Horrible situation, but you can't pay ransom money. Then every white person in the world becomes a target. Otherwise, I might kidnap one myself and retire.

That said, these journalists who travel to conflict regions know the risk and they take it. That's what they do. Unfortunately, some die. Risks of the job.

If you don't want to have your head cut off, don't be hanging around areas of the world where they are cutting off heads.

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20202422)
Horrible situation, but you can't pay ransom money. Then every white person in the world becomes a target. Otherwise, I might kidnap one myself and retire.

That said, these journalists who travel to conflict regions know the risk and they take it. That's what they do. Unfortunately, some die. Risks of the job.

If you don't want to have your head cut off, don't be hanging around areas of the world where they are cutting off heads.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh shit me 2 !!

1215 08-23-2014 12:36 PM
Why do terrorists kill journalists anyway. Go after someone important or a politician and make it interesting.

DWB 08-23-2014 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20202426)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh shit me 2 !!
Seriously. Look at Somalia and pirates. They pay them, so they keep hijacking the ships. The same would apply to people, but worse, because people are EASY to kidnap. It could happen in a foreign country or at home.

bronco67 08-23-2014 12:45 PM
ISIS has already sealed their fate with this miscalculation. They wanted us to bring it on -- well it's going to get brought. Right up their ass.

The airstrikes are escalating, and pretty soon they won't be able to get out in the open without a JDAm dropping from the sky. Up until now they've met almost no resistance, and now that the world is seeing they aren't the boogeyman, maybe some others will pile on with us.

Remember the Highway of Death during Desert Storm? ISIS will have their moment just like this because they're an overconfident target of opportunity waiting to happen.

poncabare 08-23-2014 01:03 PM
don't go to to that shit hole and you won't get beheaded

brassmonkey 08-23-2014 01:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20202446)
ISIS has already sealed their fate with this miscalculation. They wanted us to bring it on -- well it's going to get brought. Right up their ass.

The airstrikes are escalating, and pretty soon they won't be able to get out in the open without a JDAm dropping from the sky. Up until now they've met almost no resistance, and now that the world is seeing they aren't the boogeyman, maybe some others will pile on with us.

Remember the Highway of Death during Desert Storm? ISIS will have their moment just like this because they're an overconfident target of opportunity waiting to happen.
what makes you think they will be killed? this shit has gone on decades i lost friends and family. glad that they dont take asthma suffers or my ass would have been in the middle east. my friend Kenny C. died in desert storm my uncle died in that shit

Rochard 08-23-2014 01:28 PM
I don't want my tax dollars being used to free someone who was dumb enough to go to Syria...

baddog 08-23-2014 10:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20202322)
name calling? how old are you?? say it was good girl would you try to pay?? when its your own its different :2 cents:
No; if anyone I loved was kidnapped by terrorists there is no way I would suggest we should pay it; that would open a floodgate that we do not want to deal with. Hell, she knows not to bail me out, I am sure she knows not to pay any ransoms.

baddog 08-23-2014 10:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1215 (Post 20202429)
Why do terrorists kill journalists anyway. Go after someone important or a politician and make it interesting.
Easy access

onwebcam 08-23-2014 11:13 PM
We don't pay ransom's but we do pay to train and arm terrorists to overthrow countries.

femdomdestiny 08-24-2014 03:27 AM
sorry for that guy but what he was doing there at all? If you pay to these savages money, you would start seeing similar news every few days. Only currency that they should get are bombs and napalm.

Barry-xlovecam 08-24-2014 06:04 AM
Arranging for the capture and summary execution of some of these Jihadists this might be all they would understand -- scratch that -- just kill a few thousand of them with bombs and drones. Take no prisoners ... No point in fruitless 'negotiations.'

That said, one American journalist's murder is not a national tragedy, albeit a personal tragedy for his family, however it is an affront to civility and the rules of war. There are no rules in this this IS ISIL (ISIS or whatever the fuck they are calling themselves this week) Jihad other than to murder in some bizarre religious frenzy.

Arm the Kurdish fighters. The Kurds don't throw down their weapons and run like the Iraqis. Support a Free Kurdistan. The Kurds have proven to be a resilient people. Give the Kurds the tools of war -- they will be the boots on the ground -- it is their land and people that they fight for and not for some foreign soil or people. The Kurds may turn out to be reliable allies in that area -- the Iraqis sure as hell were not. The Kurds are a religiously tolerant people and a secular authority. Kurdistan is divided land among Turkish, Iranian and Iraqi interlopers. Kurdistan should become a nation and should the fight these Jihadists to their decimation we (the world) should reward them with nationhood.

This is already being done:
http://www.newsweek.com/us-will-arm-...advance-263628

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...kurdistan-isis

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/wo...iraq.html?_r=0

The al Qaeda argument does not apply to the Kurds as they are not just another form of Jihadists. We have had diplomatic dealings with them for years now and have offered them humanitarian support in the past without incident. Their track record is good.

crockett 08-24-2014 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20202229)
US doesn't pay ransom or reward terrorists. We sure as hell better not start now.
I suspect this is a grey area. Publicly we don't pay, but you can bet your ass behind closed doors we have certainly made deals, be it money or something else in order to get guys back. Think of the SF guy that was captured in Somalia back in the 90's with the whole Blackhawk down thing. We certainly made a deal to get that guy back.

It's just like anything else, it's politics. No way would we pay a current group like ISIS due to what they are doing.. However they hold a guy captive a few years and the ISIS name isn't all over the media everyday, then sure as shit we would do a deal with them. However they are far too active doing nasty shit and wanted way too much money.

NEW XTC 08-24-2014 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20202979)
Arranging for the capture and summary execution of some of these Jihadists this might be all they would understand -- scratch that -- just kill a few thousand of them with bombs and drones. Take no prisoners ... No point in fruitless 'negotiations.'

That said, one American journalist's murder is not a national tragedy, albeit a personal tragedy for his family, however it is an affront to civility and the rules of war. There are no rules in this this IS ISIL (ISIS or whatever the fuck they are calling themselves this week) Jihad other than to murder in some bizarre religious frenzy.

Arm the Kurdish fighters. The Kurds don't throw down their weapons and run like the Iraqis. Support a Free Kurdistan. The Kurds have proven to be a resilient people. Give the Kurds the tools of war -- they will be the boots on the ground -- it is their land and people that they fight for and not for some foreign soil or people. The Kurds may turn out to be reliable allies in that area -- the Iraqis sure as hell were not. The Kurds are a religiously tolerant people and a secular authority. Kurdistan is divided land among Turkish, Iranian and Iraqi interlopers. Kurdistan should become a nation and should the fight these Jihadists to their decimation we (the world) should reward them with nationhood.

This is already being done:
http://www.newsweek.com/us-will-arm-...advance-263628

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...kurdistan-isis

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/wo...iraq.html?_r=0

The al Qaeda argument does not apply to the Kurds as they are not just another form of Jihadists. We have had diplomatic dealings with them for years now and have offered them humanitarian support in the past without incident. Their track record is good.
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Def time for a free Kurdistan


this reads like a novel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_Flight_181

JA$ON 08-24-2014 12:24 PM
US doesn't negotiate with terrorist (if it becomes public anyway)

NEW XTC 08-24-2014 12:41 PM
Hmm let's see = give millions to a terror group committing mass murder and genocide on a vast scale? (not to mention the poor journalist) so they can buy more weapons and kill more? wtf Brassmonkey you can't possibly be serious.

Also they were demanding that all US airstrikes stop (which would allow them to overrun the Kurdish north)

I'm generally a peacenic and non-interventionist but I have never seen anything like ISIL...the war drums are banging like they were leading up to the trumped up Bush invasion - but this time with good reason...

mikesouth 08-24-2014 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20202422)
Horrible situation, but you can't pay ransom money. Then every white person in the world becomes a target. Otherwise, I might kidnap one myself and retire.

That said, these journalists who travel to conflict regions know the risk and they take it. That's what they do. Unfortunately, some die. Risks of the job.

If you don't want to have your head cut off, don't be hanging around areas of the world where they are cutting off heads.
And thats sums it up PERFECTLY! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

TheSquealer 08-24-2014 12:54 PM
Hmmmmm.... Fund terrorism, their recruitment and operational efforts causing the death of 1000's with $100,000,000.00 because a guy made then personal choice to put himself in that position or build a few schools and better the lives of countless 1000's of children for generations. Hmmmm what to do... what to do....

CarlosTheGaucho 08-24-2014 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 20202316)
I don't know how Foley was being paid, but if it was anything like private contractor jobs in Iraq and Afghanistan he was making a lot of money. Far more than he could have made covering stories from home. If so, that means he accepted the risk with the reward.
This may be very far from truth, in fact quite the opposite may apply when it comes to the reward

Here's an interesting insight

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...-media-outlets

If you put together how much land and resources these newly emerging chalifates (Niger. Sudan, Syria, Iraq...) gained just in the past year I am afraid we are up to many more very, very bad things happening soon,

All those money and resources burned on Iraq or Lybia would now sure come handy.

brassmonkey 08-24-2014 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20202808)
No; if anyone I loved was kidnapped by terrorists there is no way I would suggest we should pay it; that would open a floodgate that we do not want to deal with. Hell, she knows not to bail me out, I am sure she knows not to pay any ransoms.
harsh but i can respect that


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