so, are you saying my life is meaningless?
 

absolutely.

but what's the point of it all then?

that's exactly it! there is none. welcome to your freedom!!!

Maybe, maybe not

those are some deep thoughts you have

true, very true

This universe does not exist for any purpose.

and i'm cooking pasta. living in a world without meaning implies all sorts of things. no justification for a particular person's life. no point choosing one way of living over another.

we are free to choose any type of existence.

perhaps

I concur. *nods all philosophically*

how do you come up with this stuff? insightful,so very insightful...

"We must discover new frontiers... People have been standing for centuries before a worm-eaten door, making pinholes in it with increasing ease. The time has come to kick it down, for it is only on the other side that everything begins."
~Raoul Vaneigem

It's only as pointless as you allow yourself to believe.

it's too simple to simpllify things like that...nothing is simple..plunge your hand into that boiling water that your pasta is cooking in..that will give your life meaning for the next few days

not believing it's meaningless, is what always boxes you in. meaningless is true freedom.

that's the funniest thing i've read on gfy in a week.

nah, it'll just hurt.

So, you say; believe in nothing?

Bah, you have to have some speck of faith, whether it be in God or your ability to NOT to panic and NOT pull the cord when you're skydiving.

eh?

This is the guy who dreams of making 60$ a day. :1orglaugh

looking into the void is very difficult... as difficult as the leap of faith (more) :glugglug

you have more affect on the future than you probably realize...

i have been debating this life thing for a while now.

Religion saves you from having to do that.

Try it, you might like it.

Jebus will save you.

Excuse the irony, but I must be missing your point. Please elaborate.

cheers :glugglug

Due to your edit, I'm hearing:

"believing is just as difficult as not believing"

Yes, I can understand that, Castenada proved it with Don Juan and seeing.

But that does'nt make it pointless, now does it?

boo hooo,

poor little rich boy has no meaning to life

:winkwink:

I'm about to gnaw some meat off some bones.
:glugglug

tell me why you think our/your existence is not meaningless.

it's call existentialism lol.

No, existentialism is a philosophy that emphasizes the ability of individuals to choose their own actions.

Belief in nothing sounds more like borderline nihilism. However, where the morals are concerned, it's a different story.

And I don't go one way or the other, personally. Why make such a decision about the fate of humanity when it has little to no consequence on a day to day basis? While yes, these consequences would dictate actions, in a manner of speaking, one would think that is only the exception for extremists.

So if you feel that individual life is meaningless, what if a person truely believing this turns around and kills 50 people because he liked the way they ran when they caught on fire and goes to prison. That person spends the rest of his life in prison having no freedom. Is that person still free because in his mind his actions have no meaning?

I don't believe in this "total freedom" thing. It's a dream. The "Good side" to the human race is that it is able to excel and propel itself forward by being responsible for each other and those around us. What ruins the human race is people that take liberties.

Someone studying medine and excels at it can create a vaccine to a deadly virus to help others live. A crooked pharmaceutical company can create a need for that vaccine by unleashing the virus to infect people and create a panic, which would increase it's sales of the vaccine.

Not even sure if my point gets across in this example, it's all so clear in my mess of a mind.

If Life's meaningless, can I get 3 of your monthly checks? :winkwink:

you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. why do people insist on doing this? i've been simply running a very basic idea put forth by Sartre for fun.

the entire philosophy of existentialism is accepting meaningless. looking into the void. living authentically (from Heidegger). freedom = the void. the only way you get to choice your own actions is if you are free to choice them, ie: meaningless.

lol.

I sure must rub you the wrong way.

Quiet, think for yourself, and if someone contests something you recycled, don't get so upset.

I was simply trying to have an intellectual conversation with you.

in other words, "i can't refute what was said. so, i'll try to make amends."

once you try to define the most important term in the thread, and you are completely wrong... the conversation is over bro.

i'm just having fun :glugglug

nothing means everything.

Smoke weed everyday..

No, no other words, I meant exactly what I said.

As far as my post being a way out of the discussion, the conversation is over to me when one gets heated, and I thought you were.

Besides you completely dodged the rest of my argument, you simply exaggerrated a percieved flaw in my perspective of the subject.

There is no gravity ... life just sucks.

what the fuck are you talking about? that you have no idea what existentialism means? yes, that's correct.

dude, you have no argument. this is too funny.

I did'nt know you were so manipulative.

You learn something new everyday.

To quote the great philosophers NWA....

"Life ain't nothin but bitches and money"

"No, existentialism is a philosophy that emphasizes the ability of individuals to choose their own actions."

hahahaha. please explain how they might choose those actions. lo fucking l.

wrong yet again. i'm simply very knowledgeable in existentialisim/post-modern philosophy. that was my degree. i'm going back for my masters next summer :)

I'd have a very meaningful life if I had stats like that:

http://www.eroticadigest.com/gfy/stats.gif

:Graucho

"all the days that came and left.. i didnt know that they where
my life...."

this is the true meaning, i've simply been trying to hide it from the newbies dammit!

don't pretend like those stats are yours... :BangBang:

why do you think I am never in a bad mood :winkwink:

life <i>is</i> meaningless, of course, but that does not mean we should stop looking for <i>a</i> meaning.

P.S. 42 :glugglug

'nothing' has meaning

Ok, one last time, quiet, but only because I like ya:


You say: "meaninglessness=freedom=existentialism"

And I'm saying: "existentialism=freedom, but not necessarily meaninglessness.

See below:


I said,

And then you said:

Don't you see? I'm not arguing over the meaning of the word, I'm arguing your perception of the word. The correlation between pointlessness and freedom.

Simply put, I'm saying that you cannot believe in nothing.

Your simply getting lost in the semantics of the word, which is blurring your logic.

endulging in another existential moment eh?

:thumbsup

that can be fun...

if you define it as such...

or is it?

hmm....

you spend so much time on your replies. i'm definitely not arguing semantics. just the extreme basics.

freedom to do fully whatever you will, is never allowed, if there is any sort of meaning attached to anything in the world.

however, if we agree that there is no meaning, THEN we are free to do what we want. in other words --------> ExistentialisM (this is the grade 7 version, but it should suffice).

take phil 101 :glugglug

That's because everytime I die while playing splinter cell, I check up on what you wrote.

Ok, I do see your point, and you have convinced me that: essentially, existentialsm is meaninglessness.


But, nothing is meaningless, never has been.

So back to my original argument before we debated semantics; or, interpretation of a word, what you call "extreme basics", Nothing can be meaningless, because we attatch meaning to evrything. And this takes faith, or belief.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hybrid
[B]

Ok, I do see your point, and you have convinced me that: essentially, existentialsm is meaninglessness.

now we are getting somewhere.

now again, you've missed the entire argument. you need to leave meaning behind in order to embrace complete freedom.

In order to grasp true freedom, you need to embrace meaningless. As soon as something (anything) takes on value, this would mean you no longer have true freedom. I'm not trying to say this is either good or bad, simply a fact.

ever heard of bricolage? enjoying the surface? taking things at interface value? that there may be no hope in trying to understand things in a top down fashion anymore? that the best way to explore is through play - like through a smooth gui - rather than try to understand the machine code?

relax your grip on meaning :)

anyway, i've just been playing around... who knows where my true thoughts might lie.