I do understand some politics but don't really understand ordinary Russian people
 

They somehow seem pleased or happy in their comments on various forums about Putin's NKVD teams shooting down the Malaysian plane. The are almost saying "well, the plane deserved it!"

Honnestly, the plane had nothing to do there...
Imagine a child of another country walking in the middle of a battlefield during a war.

not quite the same - but i agree, they should have rather taken a detour

edit: but under no circumstances any of the dead people "deserved" it

Some Russians seem to think the other way...

Putin's NKVD teams shooting down the Malaysian plane? You must be a seriously sick person.

There have been lots of conflicts during recent years but you never heard about civilian plens getting shoot down... Until Russians entered the conflict....

And you are one of them, right? Because only a brain-damaged person may think that way. How do you know what we - Russian think about it?

2OP, this is Moscow, Russia:



P.S. Stop listening to OPP.

A very similar thing happened no more then 3 decades ago. Russians shot down Korean Air 007 a Boeing 747 carrying 269 passengers.

Yes, this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655, which was shot down by Soviet States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988. Am I correct? BTW, the article says 274 passengers, not 269. Please check your sources.

The most recent case was in 2001: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-airliner.html

Yeah blame Russians!

P.S. Guys do you really have such a short memory or you are just brainwashed?

So you just moved your Propaganda to another thread?

No more warnings for you!

The shit storm is coming.....................

CyberSEO stop your pro-russian propaganda... That is the thing with your nation,you make a mistake and don't even have the guts to face it but instead you attack anyone that says the truth. Putin is doing it and it seem every russian person is doing it. No one believes the russian lies anymore so stop spreading it. Your people just shoot down a civilian plane and try to blame the world for it.

Propaganda? There is only OPP propaganda at this board. What do you mean on pro-Russian propaganda? I don't give a shit about Putin, Obama or okraina Nazis. So what was your question? You are just a kid-surfer who came to this forum by mistake.

Are you sure we did this, sucker? So shout the fuck up already.

No, he meant this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_...nes_Flight_007

The difference between both cases is that USA immediately admitted it shot it down while Russia was on a denial till the conversation between the pilot that shot it down and headquarters showed up in some newspaper desk a few years after...

It's called living in denial. Russia always denies everything when it's something bad. They always blame someone else. Like when they shot down the airliner in the 80's they claimed it was spying and then blamed the US. They simply as a govt and as a people are not very good at owning up to their mistakes.

it's their own propaganda that is feeding it

for instance

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741291

more::::::

Russian Media Blame Ukraine For Plane Disaster

July 17, 2014.
RIA Novosti?Reuters

One common theory: Ukraine was trying to shoot down Vladimir Putin's plane

In televised comments this morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that responsibility for the tragic downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 on Thursday lay with ?the government of the territory on which it happened.? He stopped short of directly blaming the Ukrainian military for launching the missile ? but Russia?s many state-controlled media outlets have been only too happy to do that for him.

On Friday morning, as the world tried to make sense of the crash in separatist-controlled Ukraine, the Russian spin machine was already doing damage control. Gruesome images of the wreckage were splashed across this morning?s papers under headlines blaming Kiev for the attack.

?The leadership of Novorossiya considers the destruction of the liner a planned provocation by Kiev,? wrote daily Izvestia, in its lead news story, employing the resurrected term used frequently in Russian media to describe the region of Eastern Ukraine stretching from Odessa to Donbass. Rebel assertions that the plane was hit by a Ukrainian BUK missile ran across the cover of tabloid Tvoi Den under the headline ?Echelon of Death.?

The theory that seems to be making the most traction throughout Kremlin-backed media is that the Ukrainian military shot down the passenger jet, either as part of a sinister plan to frame the separatists and galvanize the West against Russia, or alternately, after mistaking the Malaysian jet for a plane transporting Putin, who was on his way back to Moscow from Brazil.

Propaganda is everywhere, you can't just decide by prejudice where is the truth

I worked with a Russian, and this was his modus operandi for almost all situations.

Stop believing all CNN shit, they manipulate you for decades. Non of you know and will never find out the truth, live with that. There are assholes in the USA, in Russia, in Ukraine - anywhere, you name it. It is big POLITICS and it was always like that.
Shut up and let's trade traffic.

That is typical GRU denial and manipulation ... The problem is that 99% of Russians believe and accordingly

Personally I do believe that the plane was shot down on and from the Ukrainian territory by the Ukrainians - either the Ukrainian army or the Ukrainian separatists/terrorists (I give 50/50 on that). Is anybody here has another version?

the difference is that:

• It was a clod war.
• The plane was shot down by Soviet Air Forces, not by Russia. FYI: Russia is as different to the USSR as German Federal Republic is different to Third Reich.

Educate yourself :2 cents:

The average citizen has no idea about politics. If they did they would realise the voting system isn't working for them.

If people on board had a vote on saving fuel or flying over war zone i think they would all chip in for gas. Instead paid for the risk.

The sea is full of pirates the land full of war zones you cannot run a cost effective service as the crow flies.

How do the fuck anyone on this board know what happened, shut your mouths and let poor people that died have peace. We will never know what really happened...

dont worry, in these "other" conflicts did happened way worse things....

I know that it is really spectacular for your imagination - "plane shot down", but quiet death of 1000's of people in hospitals after phosphorus bombs is nothing that would have lower level of "martyrology", just my :2 cents:

Moscow:





Saint Petersburg:

most amazing is how people jump to conclusion it was russia just because of all the media.

the real problem is peoples need for instant gratification on a villian & think one source of news is the truth & another is not, when very few people know the actual facts & those people are located in a desolate area that is in conflict.

by the logic that russia is responsible for plane attack, then USA is responsible for every dead Palestinian, every dead iraqi. right?

most amazing is how blacks die by the thousands in various african conflicts. Little girls are kidnapped by hundreds. But a couple hundred dead innocent whites is a global story & nations must do something.

LOL.