New model, advice please ( pics inside )
 

oh she so cute!

Do the site!!

If you are going to do topless only, I'd say do NN instead and have her do zip sets to sell later on once you have a member base. /2cents

Topless/NN won't be enough. Unless she costs hardly anything to shoot and you dont expect much profit at all. How much does she charge per shoot? If shes very very cheap (which she should if shes only doing topless), and dont mind updating a site all the time , making promo, editing content, for little profit, then sure why not.

Maybe if she had very very big boobs for her frame but she doesn't.

If shes willing to show her tits for an adult website, she's can most likely be talked into being full nude if the money was right. The best way to do this is by giving her one option. When you say you can still give her work by showing absolutely nothing, she's obviously going to choose thato ne without even giving thought to the other.

im about to invest 1k for 3 days of shots

does that include photographer fee?

or are you doing the shooting?

im photographer :)

how many sets do you shoot a day? that doesn't sound like enough for a website. You need to launch with atleast 10 sets, preferably 20+ (photosets im talking about, nevermind needing video too). Doing a site half assed wont get you results in 2014

If you dont ahve other costs and the 1k is going to her, thats 333 per day and too much to pay a topless model on a continual basis. Its fine for shooting her a couple days and sellign the content but long term (paysite), nope. Can't make sense ofi t

Usually when you can give models more shoots and work with them on a regular basis, the day rate should lower by alot, and even moreso if all she does is topless

we can make around 20/25 sets in 3 days

Yeah no point in doing a website then. 20/25 isn't enough for a website, secondly, her price is too much per day (unless you get locations and outfits for free)

15 photosets , 10 videos, you could just get by for a launch, but then you'd need to give yourself a cushion for updates until you shoot again (if shes still around).

And eventually wont you need to pay for locations, outfits etc? once you get into set 40+? how many can you do where its currently free? the sets will start to look identical no?

Considering you need atleast 60 photosets and 30 videos to launch a site. Thats 90 sets? 12 days of shooting, 4k to her. Locations, outfits, design, server, scripts... topless? Nah not worth the work.

Sometimes you have to take risks and play hardball, if it was me personally, i'd give her the option to do full nude and sell her on how much she will make, otherwise theres not much you can do with her. If shes goign to get teased or whatever, topless or full nude isn't really going to be the difference

do a deal with her, something like $300 up front for 3 days and then 10% of the profits from the site

lol how much do your sites make to where 10 percent is a good number ;) even the biggest full nude solo sites profit 5-7k a month, shes a nobody thats topless launching in 2014, that will be a couple hundred bucks a month at the very very most. but realistically closer to 100-150 a month if everything went well for him

you'd need to give her 50 percent of the website to keep her interested. and give her some money up front and then just just take it back at some point during the sites existence or just consider it a signing bonus

Thanks for your advice Pseudonymous :)
Im thinking now in just doing content to sell and dont make the paysite :)

That's the point...give her 10% so she will be hungry for more...ie keep shooting and possibly go nude for more percentage/money

My professional opinion:

This girl has the looks, 100% hollywood heart-trob looks going on here.

She needs her own paysite.

I don't think topless or zip sets to sell are going to work in 2014. Her pics will end up all over tumblr, reddit, imagefap, FB, warez, everything.. and easily obtained. Besides, there's already sooo much of it out there with cute girls doing this.. for free. Those days of a single topless girls vid/pics sites doing good RIO-wise are gone. Long long long gone.

All is NOT lost though: Sure, you will still get some members to sign up, but to really maximize retention and maximize the potential of new sales to make it profitable, there needs to be something different that only recurring members experience, something nobody else has: The experience of HER.

Ask her if she's open to being tethered to her site often and doing special requests from members. If she's open to it.. she could really make a lot of middle aged men wet in their seats with anticipation every day for her cam chat doing sexy cute little teasing/topless/modeling type things, or just spending the day with members. Guys will fall in love with her.

Let the zip set pirating be free advertizing for you.. once they see her site and how interactive and cute and personal she is with all the members.. it' s money in the bank. Especially if she does tittle surprises for individual memebrs, birthdays, selling member requested pics.. more money,

She'd really need to make a life of it. Could gross 5-6k a month and make it worth it. Daily. All day. Doing a few shoots.. wont do shit .. well maybe a couple hundred a month...

sadly thats not how models minds work, they dont get hungry for more when they are paid pennies

also, however you launch a site will determine its succeed, launch with little, well your limiting its potential, launch topless, you'll only get so big. people make up their minds on your model very quickly, they end up not even opening her galleries when they see her gallries posted in the future, because they remember it being super softcore and lame. you get one shot and thats during a launch, to maek a splash and brand your site. its the one time all affiliates push hard. you can't blow it by starting slow

Yeah I know what you are saying.

But I also think it largely depends on the country where this model is from. US models, you gotta pay more. Models from 3rd world countries? A lot less.

Your idea is great in theory but when you it comes down to it, she wont have the brand in order to tease people. Its the same conundrum a webcam site faces when they start up, can't get models without traffic and can't get traffic without models. Can't build a brand by just being topless. If she had a brand for some rare reason (was in a movie, or whatever) then sure.. she would need to go on mfc and build a huge brand first, then attempt that. But a closed off member site first? No chance. No fanbase in order to tease them with that type of stuff.

Shes topless and getting paid hundreds a day. Somebody has already set a standard in her mind of what a days work is worth, that wont be changed. Whether it was the photographer who offered her that or she requested it doesn't matter, its there and models aren't smart enough (re: financials, the industry) to determine whats best. Trust me. If shes getting paid 200-350 a day for something, getting paid 100 every day for the month is worse, (now youre talking about 200 for the total month? no chance) working more for less even if she gets more in the end is not what they seek. These are not regular people, they have a way of thinking that is different than the everyday male freelance designer/editor seeking work, who are just happy getting a good salary to provide for their families

If they think they can get 250 a day, that means she only needs to fill in 4 days of work to get by and thats what she will worry about, after that, its all gravy. this is why you see cam girls only working here and there, they get to the amount they need to just get by and they dont cam again until they need it.. what im saying is they will keep up their 250 a day rate or whatever they told is fair for a day rate. its quite absurd but it is what it is. im sure alot of the time its because they think if i can fill everyday with one day jobs, but they can't, and they never will

Yep
 

While you are trying to decide what to do... Send her my way, I'll give you a $100 finders fee and I'll shoot her for a project I will be launching in a few months with multiple models on it.. Topless will be fine.

Yes OF COURSE make a website for her. The reason is simple. Guys don't just like porn, and not everyone is interested in full-on crotch shots or gaping a-hole shots. Alot of customers think "less is more" and are alot more interested in the tease.

Shoot tons of pictures in as many different types of clothes and styles as you can so you can update her content for as long as possible. Become her. Create a twitter account and Facebook page. Create "Fun" photos in the members area that dressy, sexy, etc. Show scenes that show little really sparks the imagination. Drive people nuts!

What is "Sexy" is different things to different people, but I'll bet you anything that 75% of what makes a person sexy is the face and personality. She's got a great face and cute body. Make a website that shows off her cuteness and pack it with personality and you'll do well.

Good luck!

^ Wrong

Youre arguing there is a fanbase for it, sure there is, theres a fanbase for alot of stuff, doesn't mean that it makes financial sense. You have to take into account marketing avenues, the state of the niche/industry/costs (model, locations, outfits, server, scripts)/time and effort spent on building and promoting, etc

The positives will not outweight the time and cost.

I love seeing new sites in my niche, it boosts the entire niche, so if im against it, its because it simply will not work.

In his last thread, i even suggested he did, until i found out she was topless.

The only people succeeding in this niche are moving closer and closer to hardcore solo sites, so the idea of a topless one, is well, crazy. We know the profit margins. And we know the gaps between nn/topless-softcore-softcore/toy-hardcore. I also know the affiliates in our niche and what their surfers desire

I think Mark's thinking comes from running a cam network, including a model like that would be no problem. Theres current traffic sources in place, you can plug and play models.

Dude, that is insane. Are you near Vegas? if so drop by and I will show you how to land some hot models, hotter than this prude, and you'll have some nice nudes to start off with for your money.

She's very cute :)
Not sure if it pays out to start solo paysite though.

The price you have for the estimated sets you have is not bad. But you are seriously handycapped by not seeing the puss. I would tell her pussy or remove a 0 from what you are paying her. She will then show the puss.

mm hotties :pimp

My professional opinion is that yuu should stop posting what ifs and just do it.

If the content is good there will be buyers.

damn cute girl

Charming young lady.

Here is some advice that you can give the young lady from an old crow of the porn industry.

Tell her I said,
*** Keep your clothes, including your top, and stay the hell away from anything even remotely related to the porn industry. ****

Today's adult industry and Internet are so bad that even calling them pathetic would only be an insult to the definition of "pathetic" found in a dictionary.

But if you really want to use your body and youthful charms post nothing more than flirty pictures on Facebook. Get enough followers and you will find yourself working for one of the televised media news outlets.

Otherwise be smart and get a good education in either earth sciences or in the field of corporate and contract law. The 2 fields that will dominate the next 50 years of human history.

A friendly advice: Fuck her :thumbsup

Take non nude photos and sell it to mainstream stock photography like istockphoto, shutterstock etc