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brassmonkey 05-09-2014 09:20 AM

White House Tells Public Schools To Enroll Illegals Despite Lack Of Age Or Address Evidence
 
tool obama :2 cents: :helpme

The Obama administration pointedly told American public schools on Thursday that they must enroll the children of illegal immigrants despite little to nothing in the way of legitimate documentation concerning how old the kids are or where they live.

The lecture came from Attorney General Eric Holder and Education Secretary Arne Duncan, according to a Department of Justice press release obtained by The Daily Caller.

In their joint statement, Holder and Duncan announced updated federal guidance informing officials at taxpayer-funded K-12 schools about new, federally permissible enrollment practices. The updated guidance stresses the need for flexibility in choosing which documents illegal immigrant parents can submit to show a child?s age or whether the child actually even lives within a school?s attendance boundary.

The new guidance specifically stresses that school districts cannot require certain legal documents including a parent?s state-issued driver?s license any time it might prevent a child from enrolling because of a parent?s illegal immigration status.

?The message here is clear,? Duncan said. ?Let all children who live in your district enroll in your public schools.?

?Three decades ago, the Supreme Court issued a historic ruling ? in the case of Plyler v. Doe ? that legislation denying children an education based on immigration status ?does not comport with fundamental conceptions of justice,?? said Holder in remarks delivered on Thursday.

Plyler v. Doe, a 1982 case, was a class action, filed on behalf of a group of school-aged Mexican children in Smith County, Texas who could not establish that they had been legally admitted to the United States.

Justice William Brennan wrote the Court?s 5-to-4 majority ruling.

The slim majority concluded that a Texas law preventing the children of illegal immigrants from attending public schools was unconstitutional because denying the children basic education contributes to ?the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries.? Thus, The Lone Star State could not show that the law served a ?substantial state interest? ? the legal lingo for the constitutional test applied in cases involving illegal aliens.

?Sheer incapability or lax enforcement of the laws barring entry into this country, coupled with the failure to establish an effective bar to the employment of undocumented aliens, has resulted in the creation of a substantial ?shadow population? of illegal migrants ? numbering in the millions ? within our borders,? Brennan, a leader of the Court?s liberal wing, wrote.

On Thursday, Holder went on to say that the federal government has ?continued to hear troubling reports of actions taken by school districts around the country that have a chilling effect on student enrollment, raising barriers for undocumented children and children from immigrant families who seek to receive the public education to which they are entitled.?

The attorney general said his department will now double down on ensuring that illegal immigrant children are allowed to attend taxpayer-funded American schools.

?Public school districts have an obligation to enroll students regardless of immigration status and without discrimination on the basis of race, color or national origin,? Holder proclaimed. ?The Justice Department will do everything it can to make sure schools meet this obligation. We will vigilantly enforce the law to ensure the schoolhouse door remains open to all.?

Holder also invoked Brown v. Board of Education, the landmark 1954 Supreme Court case declaring that state laws establishing separate public schools for black and white students are unconstitutional, in support of the rights of the children of illegal immigrants to attend public schools despite a lack of documentation concerning age or address.

full article...

baddog 05-09-2014 09:23 AM

When do we get rid of this Communist?

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20081455)
When do we get rid of this Communist?

we are all rich let them in for free!! :thumbsup

Vendzilla 05-09-2014 09:43 AM

Plus they will give the kids free breakfast and lunches. All the while using up funds that would go to children that are in the US legally.


When I enrolled my daughter for the first time, I had to submit to the front office, court papers that stated I was her legal guardian, I had to show my drivers license to make sure it was me and a birth certificate and a list from our doctor of the shots she had been given.

Eric Holder is an asshole

dyna mo 05-09-2014 09:46 AM

as long as they get all the vaccinations required

woj 05-09-2014 09:48 AM

so what realistic alternative do you propose?

tony286 05-09-2014 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20081455)
When do we get rid of this Communist?

please give me 5 examples that this gop lite president is a communist?
They have to follow the law: Plyler v. Doe, a 1982 case, was a class action, filed on behalf of a group of school-aged Mexican children in Smith County, Texas who could not establish that they had been legally admitted to the United States.

Justice William Brennan wrote the Court’s 5-to-4 majority ruling.

The slim majority concluded that a Texas law preventing the children of illegal immigrants from attending public schools was unconstitutional because denying the children basic education contributes to “the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries.” Thus, The Lone Star State could not show that the law served a “substantial state interest” — the legal lingo for the constitutional test applied in cases involving illegal aliens.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...tions/7340419/
The 2 million deportation milestone was actually reached months ago. As of March 8, the Obama administration had deported 2,087,456 people since fiscal 2009, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement statistics.

By comparison, the U.S. deported 2,012,539 people under Bush; 869,646 people under President Bill Clinton; 141,326 under President George H.W. Bush; and 168,364 people under President Ronald Reagan, according to ICE statistics.

Far-L 05-09-2014 09:54 AM

Denying a kid an education just because the parents are illegal immigrants is immoral.

Read "Reefer Madness" by Eric Schlosser. The majority of those parents are working hard to literally feed not just the Nation but the planet, and they are working for barely minimum wage.

Get over it.

MaDalton 05-09-2014 09:55 AM

when you are illegally in Europe you get deported...

faxxaff 05-09-2014 10:00 AM

It's pretty smart. This way kids get an education and neither need to steal from others to make a living nor kill other kids out of boredom.

Anyhow, why would a parent need a driver's permit? Every tourist can test for a divers license in the USA. How would that qualify for being an US parent?

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20081501)
when you are illegally in Europe you get deported...

Haha ... in some cases they hold illegals for 10 years and provide them plenty of spending money. Once they do get deported, they no longer speak their native language, but perfect German or French.

beerptrol 05-09-2014 10:02 AM

Can't do any worse than the black kids. Now maybe they will have kids who want an education.

Vendzilla 05-09-2014 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20081501)
when you are illegally in Europe you get deported...

I wish it was that way here too, but the administration thinks they are potential democrats

MaDalton 05-09-2014 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20081525)
I wish it was that way here too, but the administration thinks they are potential democrats

so until 2008 they got deported and the current government changed that?

dyna mo 05-09-2014 10:12 AM

here we go.

Tom_PM 05-09-2014 10:15 AM

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?does not comport with fundamental conceptions of justice'
Oh, lets just say that it's only one of many things that don't and call it a day.

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 20081513)
Can't do any worse than the black kids. Now maybe they will have kids who want an education.

over 50% never finish

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 05-09-2014 10:52 AM

http://socialproblemsucd.wikispaces....ducation_2.jpg

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There are approximately 8.3 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. workforce (2008).

47% of those 8.3 million illegal immigrants have children (73% of the children are U.S citizens).

The children of those 8.3 million illegal immigrants make up 6.8% of all elementary and secondary school-going children.

The majority of immigrants who come to the United States are looking for a better future for their family and themselves. They come so that at the very least their children can have a chance to live the ?American Dream?.

People struggle to find jobs and often when they have jobs, they find it impossible to provide for their families in countries around the world. In America however, one can start over, and become economically stable. The dreams and aspirations of immigrants are shared, whether they are legal immigrants or illegal immigrants.






Support Humane Immigration Reform and the Dream Act:

http://www.thedreamisnow.org/

:stoned

ADG

Just Alex 05-09-2014 11:08 AM

Can't blame kids for being here illegally. It snot like 12 year old can pack his shit and goback to Honduras.
At least they have a chance at becoming something. 53% of blacks drop out of high school and do absolutely nothing.

Just Alex 05-09-2014 11:11 AM

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make up 6.8% of all elementary and secondary school-going children.
Holly fuck, 6.8%! Vendzilla is going to have aneurysm now.
Compare it to gang banging assholes who will go straight to prison. Now thats where the real problem is.

VikingMan 05-09-2014 11:29 AM

Well then American kids don't have to show proof of age then either. I believe in equal rights. Of course that is not what Comrade Holder has in mind but if he really believed in equal rights and justice he would say the same rules apply for all people.

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VikingMan (Post 20081616)
Well then American kids don't have to show proof of age then either. I believe in equal rights. Of course that is not what Comrade Holder has in mind but if he really believed in equal rights and justice he would say the same rules apply for all people.

they everywhere will be california :2 cents:

tony286 05-09-2014 11:52 AM

also the article is from the daily caller take for what its worth.
Here is what he actually said
http://www.kgwn.tv/news/national/hea...258466351.html
Schools are allowed to request proof that children live within the boundaries of the district, for which they typically accept documents like copies of phone and water bills, lease agreements, and affidavits, the guidance says. While schools may accept a parents' drivers license as evidence, they may not require it to establish residency since it would unlawfully bar a student whose parents in the U.S. illegally and do not have a drivers' license. They may also not deny a homeless child access to school if he or she cannot provide documents to establish residency.

To prove a student meets age requirements, the school may accept certificates showing a date of birth from a religious institution, hospital or physician, an entry in a family bible, an adoption record, or a parent affidavit. A birth certificate is also an acceptable form of proof of age, but school districts are not allowed to discourage children from enrolling in or attending school because they do not have a birth certificate or they only have one from a foreign country.

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 12:03 PM

illegals are going to collapse what's left.

MediumPimpin 05-09-2014 12:07 PM

About fucking time!

Vendzilla 05-09-2014 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20081527)
so until 2008 they got deported and the current government changed that?

Obama has been deporting more than any other president, I'll give him that, but our prisons are full of illegals.

Here in LA, Hispanics make up 50% of the population

LA is a sanctuary city, like a lot of cities in California.

They can be arrested in LA and released without being deported.

The current administration gave guns to the cartels in Mexico, so more people are leaving Mexico. I won't go down to Mexico anymore.

Just Alex 05-09-2014 12:56 PM

Illegals make valuable contribution by working jobs no-one else want. Some other minorities think work is fo suckaz.

Rochard 05-09-2014 01:56 PM

Don't all schools require an address when you sign up a kid for school?

In most cities, there is multiple schools. Where I live we have four grade schools, two middle schools, one high school, one alternative high school, and then a charter school that has both middle school students and high school students. You don't go to the nearest school and say "take my kid" but instead you go to district office and apply, and you are assigned what school to go to depending on where you live. You also do not always go to the school you live closest to depending on the school boundary lines.

Also, I believe public schooling has nothing to do with citizenship. If you are a citizen from Germany or France and move your family to the US for a job, the school doesn't check your citizenship or tax records and say "You aren't a citizen" or "You don't pay taxes here" and reject you.

Rochard 05-09-2014 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20081455)
When do we get rid of this Communist?

How is Obama a communist? LOL.

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20081793)
Don't all schools require an address when you sign up a kid for school?

In most cities, there is multiple schools. Where I live we have four grade schools, two middle schools, one high school, one alternative high school, and then a charter school that has both middle school students and high school students. You don't go to the nearest school and say "take my kid" but instead you go to district office and apply, and you are assigned what school to go to depending on where you live. You also do not always go to the school you live closest to depending on the school boundary lines.

Also, I believe public schooling has nothing to do with citizenship. If you are a citizen from Germany or France and move your family to the US for a job, the school doesn't check your citizenship or tax records and say "You aren't a citizen" or "You don't pay taxes here" and reject you.

for citizens yes we needed a whole list of things. shot records or no enrollment.

Due 05-09-2014 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20081455)
When do we get rid of this Communist?

Education is part of the fundamentals for our society.

Due 05-09-2014 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20081806)
for citizens yes we needed a whole list of things. shot records or no enrollment.

When my kids came to USA from Denmark they could not start school until I provided their shot records. When I moved from FL to CA they missed 1 day of school because they couldn't start until the shot records was verified again. They are insanely strict about this.

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Due (Post 20081819)
When my kids came to USA from Denmark they could not start school until I provided their shot records. When I moved from FL to CA they missed 1 day of school because they couldn't start until the shot records was verified again. They are insanely strict about this.

they are making sure your kids are safe. current day kids are getting less :2 cents: nothing is place to try to recover the loss. start freezing those wires to south america. biggest loophole is wiring funds

pimpmaster9000 05-09-2014 02:33 PM

?the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries.? :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

https://i.imgflip.com/8or46.jpg

Vendzilla 05-09-2014 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 20081574)
There are approximately 8.3 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. workforce (2008).

47% of those 8.3 million illegal immigrants have children (73% of the children are U.S citizens).

The children of those 8.3 million illegal immigrants make up 6.8% of all elementary and secondary school-going children.

The majority of immigrants who come to the United States are looking for a better future for their family and themselves. They come so that at the very least their children can have a chance to live the ?American Dream?.

People struggle to find jobs and often when they have jobs, they find it impossible to provide for their families in countries around the world. In America however, one can start over, and become economically stable. The dreams and aspirations of immigrants are shared, whether they are legal immigrants or illegal immigrants.
:stoned

ADG

Here in the LA unified school district, it's 30% of the students are from illegal aliens, and that's from the ones that are being honest.

9% are white

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articl...am-introduced/

crockett 05-09-2014 02:55 PM

I really don't have an issue with this, but I do think the Federal govt should have to subsidize most of the costs. It's not the kids fault that they are here and they are probably going to still be here when they turn into adults.

I'd rather have illegals with at least a basic education than be completely uneducated. At least with an education, once they become adults there is a chance they will make something of themselves and become a positive for society rather than a negative.

Either way you go, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Matt 26z 05-09-2014 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20081487)
so what realistic alternative do you propose?

Illegals should be held to the same standard as legal citizens. If that makes their life too difficult here, then they can always go back to Mexico.

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 20081889)
Illegals should be held to the same standard as legal citizens. If that makes their life too difficult here, then they can always go back to Mexico.

they dont like it there

SilentKnight 05-09-2014 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20081500)
Denying a kid an education just because the parents are illegal immigrants is immoral.

Read "Reefer Madness" by Eric Schlosser. The majority of those parents are working hard to literally feed not just the Nation but the planet, and they are working for barely minimum wage.

Get over it.

Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes.

So they don't contribute to the infrastructure of the nation (including school funding).

But you want us to educate them anyways? :disgust

Captain Peacock 05-09-2014 04:45 PM

Neither do welfare bums. We got to deport every nig back to Nigeria from UK.

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Peacock (Post 20081925)
Neither do welfare bums. We got to deport every nig back to Nigeria from UK.

that's a dumb fucking way to think :1orglaugh why not deport everyone on welfare?? you know the government and big business set it up this way right? its off topic as well.

The Truth Hurts 05-09-2014 05:23 PM

Meanwhile... for my 14 year old daughter to get into public high school later this year I need 3 proofs of address, photo id for myself and wife, social security cards for all of us, along with 7 other pieces of proof (medical forms/proof she went to school last year/etc), and and then 12 pages of forms and releases to fill out.

Just Alex 05-09-2014 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20081930)
that's a dumb fucking way to think :1orglaugh why not deport everyone on welfare?? you know the government and big business set it up this way right? its off topic as well.

Great idia :thumbsup
If you're 22, healthy, jobless, have prison record, non-paying child support than come and get your one way ticket to mother fucking Liberia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-to-Africa_movement

Just Alex 05-09-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts (Post 20081940)
Meanwhile... for my 14 year old daughter to get into public high school later this year I need 3 proofs of address, photo id for myself and wife, social security cards for all of us, along with 7 other pieces of proof (medical forms/proof she went to school last year/etc), and and then 12 pages of forms and releases to fill out.

Which state is that? Sounds like BS to me.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/...tate-laws.aspx

brassmonkey 05-09-2014 05:45 PM

stalker alert! im going to eat dinner. some dumb asses could not stay on topic :1orglaugh good ole gfy

The Truth Hurts 05-09-2014 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 20081944)
Which state is that? Sounds like BS to me.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/...tate-laws.aspx

Massachusetts.

Just Alex 05-09-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts (Post 20081960)
Massachusetts.

Here we go. I seriously doubt having illegal immigrant parents falls into religions category.

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/Gener...er76/Section15

As usual some tools are talking out of their asses in exchange for sig views.

Just Alex 05-09-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20081953)
stalker alert! im going to eat dinner. some dumb asses could not stay on topic :1orglaugh good ole gfy

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


says the dumb fuck who reposts news WIRE stories ALL DAY LONG. :1orglaugh
and who da fuck wants to stalk your sorry ass? :1orglaugh

woj 05-09-2014 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 20081889)
Illegals should be held to the same standard as legal citizens. If that makes their life too difficult here, then they can always go back to Mexico.

Sounds great in theory, but that would mean that these children wouldn't be able to go to school, wouldn't be able get even the most basic education, etc...

you think that's a desirable outcome? you really think that anything good could possibly come out of this plan?


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