Another school shooting! S. Carolina State Univ WTF!
 

what the fuck is going on in this country?

This is insane!

how much dead?

Haven't heard about this yet. Source?

Sad to hear it though. :(

all they said was 1 student was shot. did say if they had been killed or not

This is a society that fully encourages and breeds sociopaths - "me, me , me .... You have no right to tell me what to do.... Me, me, me". That's where excessively emphasizing individuality and coupling "just be you" with the more recent politically correct bullshit of "you have no right to tell me what to do" leads.

The net result is a rapidly growing number of people who operate completely without conscience and have no ability to feel love, guilt, remorse, shame, regret and similar conscience based emotions.

Currently the USA I believe leads the world with 1 in 25 people being a full blown sociopath and that number is trending upwards at an alarming rate.

was on cnn

No real information on the news yet other than a quick blurb on Fox.

The problem is simple - we handout firearms to anyone who wants them, no questions asked, and never track them. We regulate driving and automobiles to death, you have to get a DL, you have to register cars, you have to insure them.... With firearms, all you need to do is pass a simple criminal background check. No one checks with your doctors, or checks what kind of medications you are on, no one checks to see if you have suffered from depression, and no one checks to see if you have had any issues with local police or any history of violence.... No problem, anyone can get a firearm.

Let me rephrase my above statement... In Mantecca, California, there is a 49 year old man with multiple health problems, partial retardation (mentally he is a sixteen year old), is on lots of medication, and for the past twenty years has been suffering from depression. He is fully armed in handguns and an AR15. And there is not a god damn thing anyone can do about it.

I am all for firearms. But my god, there should at least be a test to see if you can shoot straight and a call to the local police department to see if there have been any problems.

Giving someone a gun does not make them capable of murder. That is a simple fact of human psychology. That is a major threshold to cross for a sane person and not easily done by anyone capable of feeling any normal human emotion.

So... No, the problem is not simple.

So you agree with him that further background checks based on medical and psychology records should be done before someone gets a firearm?

I've been contemplating starting a thread on that "just be yourself" mantra/motivational/self-help bullshit line but figured few here would get it. :)

rochard you get my email?

Mental illness can spring up at any moment - most serious mental disorders only really begin to manifest themselves later in life - late 20's, early 30s. That's like being required to take an aids rest every 5 years to stop the spread of aids.

The questions that matter are he ones no one ever asks... "What does it take to kill", "why are more and more kids killing", "why aren't we stopping these emotionally unhinged kids before they hurt someone".

These are not drug dealers shooting drug dealers for street cred and to control valuable markets and who are being shot at themselves. These are kids who plan to murder innocent people for weeks or months in advance. This is what is changing that needs to be addressed.

so with the current shootings, the ones who seek to higher educations are the most likely to go psychotic?

i bet if they're fascinated with psychology, that would be an even bigger sign?

I can imagine it must be somewhat freeing to be so unintelligent that people learn hard won experience that they can expect absolutely nothing from you.

You are correct - the problem is not simple and very complicated.

But do you see my point? In order for a fifty year old grandmother to get her driver's license, she has to take a written test, a driving test, and an eye test - then has to get her car registered and insured. That's a lot of hoops to drive through just for basic transportation. But to get a firearm all you have to do is pass a basic background check that ensures you've never been to prison before.... We have to jump through hoops and legal requirements just for basic transportation, yet all we need to do to own a weapon that can kill someone is sign our name on a dotted line?

I think at the very least a background check should include talking to a doctor, checking what medications someone is on, and checking with the local police to see if there are any "incidents" that didn't lead up to arrest.

The person I mentioned above is is a friend of mine; He was best man at my wedding. He has a medical condition, is depressed, is alone, hasn't gotten laid in ten years, and hasn't seen his kids in ten years, and is always on a lot of medication (did you fucking know they make herion lollipops? I am so not kidding!). He is armed with an AR15. He told over Christmas that he plans on moving to Washington state because of the "new gun laws" coming to California. I've discussed this with his family - his sister and his mother, long time family friends - and they say "He is harmless". I bet that's what they always say right before someone snaps.

I hear, if one only takes parts of psychology courses, but isn't trained fully, they'll latch on to the bits that 'speak to them' the most.. and then build on that delusion to create a world that makes sense to them

of course, it's not a perfect system, so they'll go around looking for people who agree with the way they see the world.. cause you can't have conflict! that makes you question everything, and that makes you question what intelligence really is

I think we get a lot of copy cat issues - school shootings, malls, and movies....

I don't disagree with you. I personally don't care if all guns are banned, or if more regulations are in place to make it more difficult to own a gun.

What is most troubling to me is that we have a tendency to look to "that thing" to blame and then stop asking the question "whats going on here". My view is that if someone is going through the trouble of planning to murder as many people as they can, gun registration isn't going to be an obstacle and we've still never answered the question "why are more and more kids planning, attempting to or executing mass murders"

That is always a factor that can't be denied. But its not a cause. The issue to me again is that a normal, well balanced person is not doing these things. It's someone who is deeply sick. It's someone where all the warning signs were right there and willfully ignored. These kids are walking into schools with bombs as well.

sqeauler. are you talking about psychopaths or sociopaths? I've been under the impression serial killers/mass shooters are psychopaths.

This is usually 100% correct.

I will share why.

Using sociopathy as an example. Why can't we understand we are dealing with a sociopath? Why can't we understand our parent is a sociopath? Why does the most obvious evade us for so long?

The single largest reason is kind of bizarre to think about and shockingly simple.

"We can't imagine it".

You can imagine almost anything. What its like to be shot. What its like to be blind. What its like to be deathly ill. What its like to get hit in the head with a bat or whatever.

But you can't imagine what its like to not feel love. You can't imagine what its like to not feel shame. You can't imagine what its like to not feel remorse or guilt.

Because our brains absolutely abhor inconsistency with our understanding and world view, we simply explain behaviors away, particularly when they are close to us and we absolutely need to make sense of them.

along with the societal attack against the male, young men are beginning to react very badly to the constant barrage of hostility and abuse from the liberal media and liberal hate groups :2 cents:

I was using a sociopath as an example just because it has been stuck in my mind with the stuff i have been reading as of late. We are surrounded by both, both are capable of murder and both would feel no sincere remorse or guilt. Though most serial killers are psychopaths, most psychopaths are not killers or serial killers. Psychopaths in most ways tend to function a little better in society as they have a much stronger tendency to understand they are sick and different - due to the severity of the issues they have in terms of emotional deficiencies and the fact that they are often forced to confront them or at least cannot deny them. Sociopaths are the opposite. They are similarly sick and have a lot of the same emotional deficiencies but do not typically see it in themselves or view themselves as bad or sick as they tend to think quite highly of themselves. Much of the diagnostic criteria is overlapping... where psychopathy is a little more severe. I don't really know that a psychopath is more capable of mass murder or not, or if that's just the common stereotype. I think that if you feel no remorse or guilt, you are well on your way to being capable of anything and committing any act against others.

I see. Back to sociopaths, I was reading a while back on the financial collapse, some good research places the blame fully on sociopaths in charge on wall street. Apparently, investment banking is a target rich environment for sociopaths.

I think political correctness and its lingering effects is the single greatest problem this country faces. Personally, i think things are not likely to change for the better. We can just blame video games and music instead of failed parents who's parenting is in my view, criminal and resulted in the murder of others.

Yes, there are very depressing stats on the sheer volume of sociopathic and psychopathic personalities on Wall Street.

Someone who feels no guilt or remorse will always have the upper hand against those who do and those who expect others to... and will thrive in an environment that rewards those traits handsomely. :)

That's all fine and dandy but school shootings have gone on in this country since 1760. I'm pretty sure modern society is not the cause considering the bulk of school shootings have happened well before the last 20 or 30 years. People always want to try and blame modern socity, video games, TV and movies yet the same shit has been happening for 300 years the only diffrence is access to larger ammo capacity clips and better guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

Right... it went from almost never happening to the last few decades having more than the previous 300 years combined.

Great point you've just made there.

I guess nothing has changed in recent decades at all.

And the "only difference" clearly isn't high capacity clips when they are walking into schools with a large variety of guns (not just assault rifles) and backpacks full of pipe bombs.

guns for everyone in post wild west country ... what do you expect? :upsidedow

ahh it 'didn't happen' cause you can't look it up on fox news?

lmfao.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever to gleen from this post.

so the more interference in every aspect of most people's lives, the more society is getting fucked up? Who would have thought it :)

And no I'm not saying there should be NO interference. But fuck, the amount of people who think 'we know best so do what we tell you to do' isn't helping, a fucking great chunk of it being in the medical profession handing out shit to anyone who wants it, huge gov't mental health departments who think they know best and need to intervene in every single aspect of everyone they deem 'mentally unwell', and which for the most part is a product of feeling shitty and depressed at what the cunts in gov't have managed to create, in their back-asswards quest to force what they think should be done on everyone.

Welcome to the downward spiral!

they read the text books man.. they KNOW

The strongest, most organized, most cohesive group will survive the longest.

That means shared morality. Shared standards. Shared ideals. Shared beliefs. A shared understanding of what it means to be a part of the group. A shared understanding of what is expected of group members in terms of acceptable conduct and unacceptable conduct and so on.

The group of individuals, where self interest has not only ran amuck but has systematically stamped out every single binding force that made the group strong to begin with, is doomed to collapse.
:)

300,000,000 plus people and one or two go bat-shit crazy every month or so ….. Sounds low actually.

No the problem is for years now, a kid is antsy or disruptive we give them meds, not doing good in school ,has a short attention span meds to the rescue. . We give meds to children likes its fucking candy. All these meds alter brain chemistry. Well the chickens are coming home to roost

yeah I hear you, I really do - but that line has been blurred, and much like political correctness, the think we know best mentality has taken over, to the detriment of society as a whole, in it's misguided form we currently have, and that will continue to expand.

like the wars on drugs, and poverty, the thing that was well-intentioned has turned into a fuck up of mass proportions, and is chasing it's own tail, but just growing as a fuck up, and a problem.

By actually helping area/people/thingo A that is 10 widgets in size, it ends up creating problem B that is 1000 widgets in size. Excuse the lingo lol, trying to cover lots of scenarios with 1 word(s) :1orglaugh

anyway, fuck all I write on here is gonna do anything, so yeah, meh. World war 3 won't wipe us all out, the wrong way of thinking will.

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and that's just a part of the problem. It's fucking monstrous.

Of course it does. It empowers them.

If you give someone a knife or a baseball bat or a crowbar, they might feel slightly empowered to hurt one person. You give that same person an AR15 they KNOW they can kill multiple people AND cause mass damage.

The people who do pick up a firearm and shoot people do not have the courage to do the same with a knife or a baseball bat or a crowbar.

At the same time, it gives the killer "distance" from the act of killing. Shooting someone with a firearm is quick, easy, painless, effortless, and has a small amount of risk. Killing someone with a baseball bat or a crowbar is messy, requires strength, and has a lot of risk - And you are not going to be attacking 25 people in five minutes.

Let me say it another way. The fact that someone has a knife, a gun, a bat, a tank or a pipe bomb does not make them capable of planning out and then carrying out the murder of innocent people.

"Empowerment" does not play into it where a normal human being is concerned. Feeling empowered in itself does not allow a sane person to cross the line to murdering innocent people psychologically.

Sane people in every single culture on the planet draw a very firm line between hurting others (even to an extreme degree) and killing them. Killing is a completely different category of "wrong" in everyone's mind. And that is a universal fact among our species, in every corner of the world.

Killing innocent and unarmed people is an act which in itself, is the single best indication that the individual has come completely unhinged psychologically.



You are correct in that they act differently, but it has nothing to do with courage. "Killing at a distance" is not the same psychologically as murdering people up close and personal. Killing from a distance usually does not engage the emotional reasoning of the individual and the resulting strong emotions, as opposed to just rational reasoning. This phenomena is well documented and well studied in psychology and first surfaced in what is commonly known as "The Trolly Dilemma". Brain scans and monitoring neurological activity during testing showed clearly that both the idea of killing someone up close and personal and killing someone from a distance, are treated very differently in the brain. People can do horrid things from a distance such as a drone strike on a wedding party in Pakistan and feel little to no personal responsibility for what is really the murder of innocent people. It's not about courage, or the lack of courage, its just how the human brain is wired. Doing it up close and personal, is exactly that... its personal.

My point again is that simply having a gun, does not create a murderer of innocent people. Psychological/neurological problems do. There are 300,000,000+ guns in the USA. The gun is just a tool... its not a cause.

^ aren't you missing the rage factor? I don't pretend to know anything about it in detail, but pure rage surely changes the whole chemical balance in the brain, testosterone surely goes sky high, and whatever else happens physiologically?

I'm actually a nice guy (despite my posts here lol), but I'm going to admit something here - if I had access to a gun, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind I'd have shot at least 1 person before now. I've mellowed a fuck of a lot, so also feel quite truthful in saying it wouldn't happen now - I don't get the intense rage I used to experience, but yeah. When you are in that moment, where for whatever reason you are overcome with rage (was the classic fight or flight scenarios for me), you aren't in your rational mind, and that category of wrong (as you so rightly put it) doesn't exist at that moment(s).

So, 10 years ago, because I had the capacity for extreme actions, I'd have been deemed by those who will want to wield this sort of power at some point in the future because they want everything to be rosy, as worthy of culling (to use an obviously extreme example), yet here I am now, father to a couple of wonderful kids, a pretty good dad going by the great relationship I have with them, a helpful, caring, friendly member of society, and with fuck all 'help' from any cunt in gov't.

You can't tick boxes and have them cover all bases, and why the fuck should they even be there for the current 'greater good means these checkboxes work' way of thinking.

[2 topics in one there, but it's 01:50 here]

^ christ, that really was a ramble wasn't it :1orglaugh

I may post again tomorrow and make it a bit clearer. Or, I may not :upsidedow

The new world order requires that you give your weapons, so it will continue until you surrender.

Rage, is in the moment. The short version is that its basically your fight or flight response coupled with extreme anger. The majority of these school shootings are planned out well in advance. Weeks and months of planning and preparation. That's not "rage". That's premeditated murder. That's been my point, this is not just about someone having a gun or not... its about kids who are clearly unhinged and not being detected until they kill people or get caught trying to do so.

The student has died.

"A student is dead at SC State University and four suspects are at large."

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ah ok, I didn't realise that post was specifically about one type (thought it was a general reply to rochards general post) - with ya now :thumbsup

How many guns do you own, rochard?

I think you've mentioned at least 2 before.


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Another mall shooting today.

Where are all the people who own firearms, and why don't they take out the shooters.

Five.