Mao outmurdered Hitler and Stalin combined
 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...alin-combined/

Snyder informs us that historians of many countries now agree that the Germans killed about 11-million non-combatants, roughly the figure accepted in the standard histories. And since, by his estimate, only about 6-million civilians died under Stalin ? far below the 20-million often cited before the archives were finally examined ? ?we know now that the Germans killed more people than the Soviets did.?

Snyder believes, Moscow?s motives for killing were as evil as Berlin?s. Soviet mass murder often involved ethnic motives that seem close to Nazi intentions. When the great famine of 1930?1933 killed 3.3-million Ukrainians, they were ?victims of a deliberate killing policy related to nationality.?

Dikötter, a Dutch-born historian who chairs the humanities department at the University of Hong Kong, begins his book with this sentence: ?Between 1958 and 1962, China descended into hell.? Nothing in the 420 pages of his text softens that judgment. He believes at least 45-million people died under Mao?s direction in those years ? far more civilian victims than Hitler and Stalin combined

wonder how many non combatant deaths the allies had to their name? We all know who the bad guys are supposed to be right and isn't it just so easy to view history through that light.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have helped prop up Rosevelts body count to sky high levels as well as the constant regular bombing of cities in Japan and Germany, Fuck knows how many dead Churchill has on his hands.

Don't know that much about Chinese history to comment but just thought I'd write tje above to provide another angle on things when history is viewed through the prism of victory.

Not a defense of the guy, Im sure he was a cunt.

Good thing America was bombing to save lives ...

Imagine how worst the numbers would be ....

Have a read of 'Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China' - One of the best books I have read...

I would like to see you two 1/2 retarded pussies above trying to stop Hitler, Mao, the Japanese Imperial Army and Stalin with hugs and flowers and positive thinking.

Thank God history never repeats itself.

But hey they make shit so cheap its ok.

Rev Jim Jones: Don't ever say hate is your enemy.
Love has practically caused me to just get you destroyed.

If I had hated a little more, just a little more, we would have had a little less trouble.

Sure you got love. Principles! But don't say 'hate is my enemy', what'd they say, what's that words? "Hate is my enemy and I've got to fight it day and night" and "what else is death" is the line.
Love is the only weapon, SHIT. BULLSHIT!

Martin Luther King died with love!
Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand, some kind of generalized love, and he never even backed it up!
He was shot down! Bullshit, "Love is the only weapon with which I got to fight".

I've got a hell of a lot of weapons to fight! I got my claws, I got cutlasses, I got guns, I got dynamite, I got a hell of a lot of fight! I'll fight! I'll fight! I will fight! I will fight! I will fight! I will fight!

Let them hear it in the night! Yes, we'll fight! They're listening. Let the night roar! Let the night roar, because they can hear us, they know we mean it. We'll kill them if they come!

Mao Tse Tung said change must come
Change must come thru the barrel of a gun
Not thru talkin' and not through waitin'
And sittin' around just contemplatin' the facts
'Cos we know what they are
So let Mao Tse Tung be your guidin' star

When killers rule countries, sad pages of history.

I read lot about Mao last month, and he was not taking shower or cleaning his mouth almost never... So babes they bringing to him to fuck them, were very very fucked :)

Genghis Khan probably matched Mao too. Supposedly wiped out 10% of the worlds population at the time.

I see, so if the cause is considered noble and righteous enough, any means is justified? even resorting to the methods of your "evil enemy"

Perhaps Mao had the same idea as you, after all "you can't create a communist utopia on earth with hugs and flowers and positive thinking"

maybe Germany and japan shouldn't attack other countries un provoked..... think?

maybe if Germany and Japan and won you wouldn't be able to post dumb shit on an internet forum... think?

the attack at Stalingrad killed more than 10's as many people as Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined

don't think my daddy was feeing too bad for the Japanese when he was hiding in the jungle watching the Japanese cut his buddies heads off with sword either....

well I'm sure as soon as you can find the right angle you apologize for him

sounds like steve jobs :(

I love these little gems :1orglaugh :thumbsup

yeah no kidding. what a dumb fucking idea to defend your life, and actually the methods you have stated are used everyday by liberals in the media so it must be the way to go.... because those guys all know how we should live , and have all the answers :2 cents:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/att...mongols-02.jpg
This mother fucker is the grand daddy of them all.

No one said "by any means" that it a false, misleading and absurd attempt at deception to make it appear something was said or suggested which wasn't.

Same as me? Uhmmm I don't have any intention of using the nations children to pursue my genocidal aims and effectively murder 10's of millions of our own innocent men, women and children.

I understand the world is a confusing place for you. I get that it has to be very uncomfortable living an existence in a place that continually violates your own irrational and nonsensical expectations. Being much more intelligent than you, I am also painfully aware of the futility in trying to reason with someone who demonstrates such a diminished capacity for rational thinking.

I may however be able to help you by explaining your bizarre replies. The explanation is 100% true and undeniable fact yet it's going to sting a little and our first impulse is always to push back with defensive reactions but maybe in time, it will sink in to some degree.

What you are feeling...

This conversation and your reply is a classic example of "the trolley problem" in psychology, where two versions of a story are given that yield vastly different responses in spite of being largely the same. It goes more or less, like this:

5 men are working on a track and a train is steaming towards them. They will all be killed. You can push a button to divert the train where only one worker is working and only he will be killed but the 5 will live. Do you push the button and save 5 lives at the cost of 1.

People overwhelmingly choose to kill 1 to save 5.

The second variation goes something like this:

5 men are working on a track and a train is racing towards them. They will all be killed. The only way to stop the train is to push a man off a bridge and onto the tracks. Doing so will save 5 people at the cost of 1?

People now get very confused and flustered and take much much longer to respond and far fewer are willing to kill one to save 5.

Why?

Well, at the core of the problem lies in understanding your brains use of rational and emotional reasoning. Killing the 1 personal to save 5, with no personal involvement or contact is just a rational math problem to most people with an obvious solution. The second dilemma however, is processed differently as it involves direct personal contact/personal involvement and as such engages another part of the brain to use emotional reasoning which causes a flood of questions about the right and wrong, the good and bad, the moral and immoral and so on and so on and so on.

What's happening in your head? It's quite simple. You had an idea "war" and experienced an intense flash of negative emotion and strong feelings against (moral intuition) and then your brain goes to work to try to explain it. Your conscious mind is for the most part, a PR firm or White House Press Secretary for your unconscious mental processes. It's job is to rationalize what was already decided unconsciously, not to re-hash that decision and examine it and look for or be open to, new answers. As such, you are then painted into a corner trying hopelessly to defend irrationality with reason which can't be done without addressing the irrationality to begin with. Your arguments can only get more unintelligent and rely more heavily on misdirection and deflection. This is also where a spotlight will be shown on your woefully low IQ as your silliness continues and you display an ever increasing inability to form intelligent arguments and responses. Though it's great for the amusement of others, t's going to leave you ultimately bitter, frustrated and dissatisfied.

Sent from my phone so grammar police can fuck off.

There is no way to count the death toll, but most historians say that Japan was responsible for 15 to 20 million deaths to civilians in China. I always wonder why the body count is always brought up with the Germans and Japan.. However China took had the largest civilian death toll and it's largely ignored.

The shit Japan's soldiers did made Hitler look humane.. The simple fact is Japan earned the fire bombs and nukes, because they had already proven themselves to be Animals during the war. We didn't bomb them with nukes just to show off, but so our solders wouldn't have to go through that kind of fighting which could have drug on for years longer.

this is entirely not true. most historians? 15-20million? pfft.

why don't you educate yourself.

This is some of the stuff Japan's unit 731 did, make the shit the Nazis did look tame. This doesn't even account for routine beheadings, mutilations and rape camps. Let alone just exterminating entire villages.

(1) Japan's Savage Military: From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war.

(2) The Khmer Rouge Hell State: In proportion to its population, Cambodia underwent a human catastrophe unparalleled in this century. Out of a 1970 population of probably near 7,100,0001 Cambodia probably lost slightly less than 4,000,000 people to war, rebellion, man-made famine, genocide, politicize, and mass murder. The vast majority, almost 3,300,000 men, women, and children (including 35,000 foreigners), were murdered within the years 1970 to 1980 by successive governments and guerrilla groups. Most of these, a likely near 2,400,000, were murdered by the communist Khmer Rouge.

(3) Turkey's Ethnic Purges: The infamy of executing this century's first full scale ethnic cleansing belongs to Turkey's Young Turk government during World War I. In their highest councils Turkish leaders decided to exterminate every Armenian in the country, whether a front-line soldier or pregnant woman, famous professor or high bishop, important businessman or ardent patriot. All 2,000,000 of them.

(4) The Vietnamese War State: Perhaps of all countries, genocide in Vietnam and by Vietnamese is most difficult to unravel and assess. It is mixed in with six wars spanning 43 years (the Indochina War, Vietnam War, Cambodian War, subsequent guerrilla war in Cambodia, guerrilla war in Laos, and Sino-Vietnamese War), one of them involving the United States; a near twenty-one year formal division of the country into two sovereign North and South parts; the full communization of the North; occupation of neighboring countries by both North and South; defeat, absorption, and communization of the South; and the massive flight by sea of Vietnamese. As best as I can determine, through all this close to 3,800,000 Vietnamese lost their lives from political violence, or near one out of every ten men, women, and children.1 Of these, about 1,250,000, or near a third of those killed, were murdered.

(5) The Pakistani Cutthroat State: After a well-organized military buildup in East Pakistan, the military launched its campaign. No more than 267 days later they had succeeded in killing perhaps 1,500,000 people, created 10,000,000 refugees who had fled to India, provoked a war with India, incited a counter-genocide of 150,000 non-Bengalis, and lost East Pakistan.

(6) Orwellian North Korea: Perhaps from 710,000 to slightly over 3,500,000 people have been murdered, with a mid-estimate of almost 1,600,000. But these figures are little more than educated guesses. In this case, Kim's thought control over all his people and their foreign and domestic communications has protected him and his party from nothing more than deep suspicion about having committed genocide so enormous as to be megamurder.

(7) Barbarous Mexico: Through its system of peonage and chattel slavery, terror, summary executions, and political terror, pre-revolutionary and revolutionary Mexican regimes committed murder on a massive scale, surely totaling at least hundreds of thousands of Indians, peons, innocent villagers, captured soldiers, and conscripts. From 1900 to 1920 total government genocide alone amounted to somewhere between some 600,000 to 3,3000,000 Mexicans, perhaps closer to 1,400,000 killed. Although these figures amount to little, more than informed guesses.

(8) Qin Dynasty: In the eight years that the Han Dynasty was being replaced by the Qin Dynasty 221-207B.C., the population of China decreased from 20 million to 10 million.

(9) Dong (Eastern) Han Dynasty 206B.C.-220A.D., the population of China was 50 million. After the transition of power to the Three Kingdom period 222-589, the population decreased to 7 million.

(10) At the end of the "Grand Guignol" inside Batavia, most sources agree, 10,000 city-Chinese lost their lives, but little is said about the many more who must have perished outside the city's walls. Of the 80,000-odd Chinese in Batavia's environs prior to the extermination, only around 3,000 survived.

61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing

Suspected
1,663,000 Orwellian North Korea
1,417,000 Barbarous Mexico
1,066,000 Feudal Russia


Source
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/welcome.html

A movie about unit 731

check at 0:35:00... This movie is really troubling.



a nice history channel documentory

"American Indian Holocaust" is a term used by American Indian activists to bring attention to the mass destruction of American Indian populations following the European arrival in the Americas, which has hitherto received very limited mention in history, partially because most of the deaths happened before European chroniclers arrived to record them.
Estimates of the pre-Columbian population vary, from a minimum of 50 million to a maximum of 100 million; 80 to 90% were killed. Although the vast majority of the deaths at that time were caused by factors beyond most human control — e.g., smallpox epidemics — Europeans, especially the Spanish conquistadors, also killed thousands deliberately.

there's no question unit 731 was an appalling organization but to claim it makes what the nazis did tame is quite silly.

No he didn't. You are forgetting the Western way to count deaths.

A white man's life is worth at least a few zipper heads.

:1orglaugh:thumbsup

precisely

the allied terror bombings were response to German and Japanese terror bombings. the axis bit off more then it could chew and it was taught a lesson neither soon forgot, and both are still paying for.

the us scrapped precision bombing after trying for months to break the nazis with precision day time raids that were useless, it wasn't a response to the enemy doing it, in fact, we clung to precision bombing for far too long, trying to hold a higher ground.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima are but a drop in the bucket compared to the number of civilians Japan killed in China, Korea, Philippines, Java, the list goes on.

When the war ended Japan executed all POWs held at sea. Slaughtered them all and threw them overboard.

They deserved more bombs, but we weren't dropping them to be assholes. We dropped them to stop their insane mindset. To get them to say, "Oh fuck! Maybe we should think about this."

the japanese had no intentions of stopping. in response to the pending/planned invasion of their mainland, the emperor implored all japanese, men women and children to pick up arms and kill americans.

what's that ?

Is this guy Paul Markham??

All that text and you completely missed the point. Well done.

I won't quote the rest of your wall (ahh forgot I already did above) as its completely irelevant to the point I was gettiing at.

No one said that armies could be stopped by hugs, flowers and positive thinking, that is false, misleading and an absurd. The point is how far do you go.

Personally Im quite happy the Japanese and Germans lost and my post was more playing devils advocate. You are welcome write up another insult filled response missing the point again and you probably will as Ive seen how desperate you are to appear intelligent on a forum called go fuck yourself. Even if it takes you half an hour on your iphone

There is a reason woman don't run the White House or the military... or execute military strategy, plan wars or fight in any meaningful way. That's really all that anyone needs to know about your opinions on war, defense and the security of a nation.

Im not a Woman so again irrelevant, and even though I don't have a clue about you im pretty confident in saying I have more knowledge in Military history than yourself

My bad, you just reason like a woman and have "holly" in your name. Easy mistake

Ill leave this link here if anyone wants something to watch.

War of the world is a six part series produced by famous historian Niall Ferguson which provides some great insights on the ars of the 20th century and much of what is in this thread.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=q5AbQ...A1BA1FBCABF250

mistake... just another assumption you got wrong shit lips

I dunno. Read your idiotic questions again,... Still feels like you have at least one vagina....maybe two.

Fuck it, I realize posting on gfy is pointless and im wasting my life doing it but Ill expand just a little.

My post was not really an opinion but more just a simple statement for people to question their absolute view of history. Absolute good guys versus absolute bad guys.

Just as there is not peace or total war but levels of escalation. The decision to target cities and civilians is on quite a different level to military engagements and it is the air war I was specifically referring to. Huge numbers of civilian deaths for very questionable strategic gain.

The difference between Stalin & Hitler and Mao is obvious. We (and I use that term loosely) went head to head with Hitler, and the west feared Stalin because we feared the Russians.

We never feared China because China has never flexed it's muscles.

Mayne we should nominate mao for a gfy award!?