We paid $634 million for the Obamacare sites and all we got was this lousy 404
http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion...-website-cost/
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We paid $634 million for the Obamacare sites and all we got was this lousy 404
http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion...-website-cost/PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Seems like a bargain considering a soft toilet seat cover for the president's ashy ass is right around a billion (no TP included) -
Should have asked manwin to build it.Comment
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Thanks, Rick Perry, Rick Scott and other Republican governors!Comment
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just another radical right wing fascist redistribution of wealth from the people and future generations to plutocrats and corporations
happens everyday. no news hereComment
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Amazing. Seems it went up $134 million dollars.... Over night.
Yesterday it was only $500 million dollars.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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They should give some insurance away. Damn!...Comment
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Considering it still doesn't work I'm quite sure the figure will be in the billions shortly.
http://usaspending.gov/explore?tab=B...=detailsummaryPLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Looks like they just set up wordpress.
The developer must be getting paid 100 million an hour.Comment
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Just think -- you could of gotten a government contract and made bank ...Comment
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Think of how many people could have been insured for what it cost to build that clusterfuck of a website.-= gracesfall =-
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It's just not adding up.
The page lists how much money was spent "for the Obamacare website", but it doesn't say what it was for. It gives a grand total of $634 million, but this seems to be made up of 114 contracts, and 379 sub contracts. Going over the list I see contracts for such items as "telecommunications" in the $17 million dollar range.
Going into further detail, scroll down on that page, and it's broken down by the five most expensive items:
Adpe System Configuration
Other ADP & Telecommunications Svcs
It and Telecom- Other It and Telecommunications
Other Professional Services
It and Telecom- Systems Development
Going yet even further, it details the companies involved:
Groupe Cgi Inc
Carahsoft Technology Corporation
Everware-Cbdi North America, INC.
This is not one contract for one project or one website. This is 114 contracts and 379 sub contracts done the Department of Health and Services Department over a five year period. And most likely only a portion of it is related to Obamacare.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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here's the kicker..... Go to http://usaspending.gov/trends and take a look at how many departments the US government has then take a spin around and see what they spend.
Fucking staggering.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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Here's a Map of the Countries That Provide Universal Health Care (America's Still Not on It)
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The search is by contract number. So everything related to that contract is tied to it. You can tell "cgi federal" setup multiple "companies" just by looking at some of the names. So CGI Federal calls up his buddy in Washington and says "Hey I can't figure out how to run wordpress so we need to contract this out to someone else." Buddy in Washington makes another request for bids and CGI federal sets up another dummy corp to bid and win the other contract.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Geocities, a day late and a dollar short.Comment
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Here's a Map of the Countries That Provide Universal Health Care (America's Still Not on It) ^^^That is a real embarrassment for one of the richest nations in the world.Comment
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It is not a search by contract number, but instead is a search by "prime awardee". And it's not one "awardee", and it's not for one contract or even one project, but instead hundreds of contracts and projects.
On the right hand side it's broken down by project number and amount. For example, the most expensive contract in the past five years is HHSM500T0012, which is only $58 million for "Adpe System Configuration". That's a far cry from $600 million.
Another quick serach tells me that "Adpe System Configuration" really stands for Automatic Data Processing and Equipment, which doesn't even tell us what it's for.
Again, you taking the total amount spent on contracts by the US Health & Services Department (whatever the name is) and saying it's all for Obamacare, when the truth is it's for nearly 500 different items.
This is more bullshit like the death panels.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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fox news claims it's a much more reasonable $93million
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/...-experts-warn/Comment
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So you are saying that 114 contracts and 379 sub contracts were awarded by the Department of Health and Human Services over the past five years and ALL of them are to put up a single website?
According this website, in 2009 $63 million was spent in 2009. Obamacare didn't become a law until 2010.
This data is about hundreds of contacts over a five year period for the Health and Human Services department, not one project to build one website.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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super duper site, wtf is cost so much money??? lollllllllllComment
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Think of how many could have been insured with the 300 million a day that our country is losing due to the shutdown. At 2 weeks that's roughly 2.4 billion pissed down the drain.. Where oh where are the so called fiscal republicans whom should be pissed off about govt waste?
At least once they get the website working properly it will be a benefit to Americans.. Meanwhile the 300 mil a day is just pissed down the drain due to a needless shutdown.Last edited by crockett; 10-10-2013, 12:16 PM.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Possible.... But still a fucking huge amount of money to spend.
But if you think about it, what exactly did that money buy? A website? Or a website backed up by a secure data facility networked in directly to the IRS and every hospital and doctor in the country that is accessable to everyone in the US?
I'm not trying to justify the cost.... But it's a little bit more than a website hooked up to a database.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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You do realize that the site was only needed in the first place because of states such as your rejecting the law of the land? So you only wasted your own money. Oh wait, no you didn't, because your state takes out way more federal dollars than it puts in.Comment
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This. It's not a website, but instead a system. People like the OP will never admit that though. Nor will they check the very links that they use as proof to see that the contracts they're citing to add up to that number go back before Obama was even President. They'll also never admit that their sources don't actually specify which contract was for what.
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there is no where near that level of functionality in the site/operation. it's not linked to a single hospital or doctor and requires a 3rd party background check via credit reports.
there are extremely sophisticated websites in the private sector that involve massive functionality, i would be shocked if those sites cost even $10m, let alone $90m, $600m is silly.
even if the backend systems were not built, 10s of millions of $ for a website is insane.Comment
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nice money laundryComment
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I doubt the real number has been put out anywhere. The only people (including media outlets) citing it have a clear agenda against ObamaCare and will try to make it look bad at any cost.
Those that are for it aren't trying to discredit it and therefore aren't looking for trivial things. It's weird how reckless spending happens every day and nobody cares, but I can't turn a corner on the Internet in the last 24 hours without seeing a new thing about the cost of this website. All with different numbers, mind you.
I hope the people adding up the number aren't relying on the link cited in the article from the OP. That link only specifies dollars amount and agencies and not the actual RFPs. Plus the contracts go back to before Obama was even President -- and ObamaCare existed -- but still somehow ended up in the total.Comment
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How many people would that 634 million insure?
At $500 a month, that's $6,000 a year
or over 105,000 people for a year.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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You keep looking at it like it's a website. It's not.
The health department was tasked with coming up with an entirely new system based on a new law which had to be compatible with multiple US government systems, every healthcare provider in the US, every hospital and every doctor's office, AND every citizen in the US. (Don't tell me it doesn't; Every doctor has to talk to every hospital and every healthcare provide who has to talk to the US government... My wife's office not only had to upgrade all of their computers, as did their healthcare provider.)
But before they wrote a single piece of html code, before they even had a discussion about protocols, they had to have a long legal discussion... Every state has strict laws about how to handle healthcare information, and all of them are different - so before anything was done they had to figure out how to legally work it. And everyone involved that discussion had to have background checks (you already how that shit works), hundreds or even thousands of people flying around to meetings with different state attorney's offices, healthcare providers, flights, meals, hotels... All before a single bit code was written.
Yeah, I can see $90 million in a heartbeat.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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i would wager that the real # is still obscene. has nothgin to do with obama. it's too bad the news sources choose to overstate/guestimate the #s for a story on the # rather than actually try and find the fucking #.
nevertheless, could you imagine if for-profit/private business had to pay whatever it cost the government to create that site for their own/our own sites? fuuuuuuuuck. right.Comment
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if you want to see very similar functionality- state based search of health insurance based on individual profiles, just surf www.ehealthinsurance.com
i've stepped-through the cal state exchange, and i've bought at the site above, they're similar. the gov site does more by validitating yrou identity via your credit report( calling a 3rd party is no biggie to code) and also determining your eligibility based on the income you input, again, no biggie, many gov sites do that already.
wehi allow focused geo-based searches and also doctor's searches, i.e, I can input my doctor's name and see all of the plans available he accepts.
i doubt ehi paid 10s of millions for their operationComment
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I bet it is obscene, too. All government contracts are loaded with wasted dollars.
We're also a little jaded though. I have a friend that owns a web development firm and ten years ago it was ridiculous what he'd get paid $20k for. For $20k he'd be expected to do the same site that someone in adult could have done for $2k. These days he's struggling because people can get the same with a $60 modded WordPress template.
Edit: a fully and tightly integrated solution, even tied into the old mainframe legacy systems the government still uses shouldn't cost more than $500k to a million, I'd think. And at that price the contractor should still be able to turn a nice profit.Last edited by epitome; 10-10-2013, 02:55 PM.Comment
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But you keep saying "it's a website". But you fail to look at the road to get there.
Just giving thought to how to legally handle this data multiplied times laws in fifty states is a logistical nightmare, no less how to make it all work with ALL of the healthcare providers.
I once worked on a year long IT project that only had to talk to one DB. It was two months of just planning it out on a white board.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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What are you even talking about here? No doctors have had to upgrade their software. Doctors were, however, offered up to $40k when switching to a EMR/PMS if they attested to passing all of the stages of meaningful use, which most solution providers guarantee as a part of your purchase.
Edit: And HL7 is what allows medical applications to talk to each other. That has already existed for years.
Double Edit: HIPAA already covers all privacy laws and is also already as strict as it gets, so nobody was flying around for meetings with SAOs.Last edited by epitome; 10-10-2013, 03:09 PM.Comment
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are any of you whiners going to apologize or feel any shame when the ACA is just as entrenched and popular as social security and medicaid in a few years...
no you'll probably just move on to bitching and talking shit about something else thats positive for society.
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it is a website rochard. just because it provides a service via functionality doesn't make it not a website.
but i couldn't care less what you want us all to call it, fill me in though, what do you want us to call it? an operation?
legal schmegal, ehealthinsurance does all that nonsense.
it's neat you worked on a year long it project, that has nothing to do with anything, else i would post a partial resume and we would have this very cleared up.
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