How to protect videos
 

All films we are producing end up on Rapid share sites...Once they are deleted, next week
they are up again...Is there really way how to fight this?

Sooner or later this will fuck up all business all producers..

No way at all I guess. They are on the pirate bay and all torrents. If one gets deleted, on the next day they are on the other sites. The same happens with those file sharing sites. Megaupload was closed, and nothing changed. There are several of those services on Alexa top 500 making money selling premium accounts for people who are uploading and downloading stolen content.

I belive that there are two kinds of people. Those who are honest to pay for stuff, and those who will do everything to get things for free. They do this because they don't have any money or credit card at all, so they don't count as prospects. They can't pay for anything.

So, focus on the majority of people who are honest. Most of them are afraid of virus or something. They are dumb, and honest.

Try pseudo streaming for your future video releases.

Unfortunately, it's a lost cause. Nothing you can really do at this point. Too late and not going back. Too many years of "Damage" to this business.

Someone should invent some software for protection! Otherwise all people who are shooting
sooner or later will get fucked. There will be no more new porn! There will be no more
pay sites, only sharing sites where will be uploaded 100k gigs of stolen porn for just
$5.95per month..

This is just raindrop in the sea

http://www.pornrip.us/

What needs to happen is software that streams audio, video, and commentary separately, and aligns itself by internal markers. Real protection would include a variable frame rate that would fluctuate so that the assembly of the components wouldn't be reproduceable without those markers, which would be stored on the server.

I can have someone code a sample of that, if people think it is a workable idea.

I'm a tech idiot (without the tech part, some would say :1orglaugh ), but that sounds brilliant if workable, and at first blush, very profitable for whoever comes up with a decent, secure, system.

2 words of advice
1) Garbage.
2) Shit.

You can either go after the uploaders but that is like trying to hammer a hole in a the ocean. Or you can make it so that downloaders get tired of trying to download your product.

Just think, if this method worked, and stayed secure for say 2 years, and was widely implemented, the industry could reclaim the value of content. No new shit to pirate/upload :thumbsup

Bit of a pipe-dream I realise, but I'm in a good mood tonight :)

Hard to secure them

WOW!! and they charge for it too!!

So lame!! And you know there are no Docs with it.



Just Dave

Once videos are downloaded the are playable only for 3 months. Than they expire. If members want to see them again, they will have to join and re-download them..
Something like that would be solution..

We as an industry had the stupid idea of allowing downloads in the first place and now we reap what we have sown.

We use RTMP and while it can be ripped , it´s a pain in the ass to do it.

And then the pirate creates software like a VCR that records in mp4 the audio and video image now broadcasting out of your streaming player. It might be a poorer digital grade, but it would still end up in file lockers and on user uploaded tubes.

I remember years back AdultBouncer experimenting with DRM protection similar to what Netflix does now.

Netflix converted into an analog signal bypasses the encryption. I can record anything I want from those streaming services and upload it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/View-Master

Make a digital version that you can insert a flash drive type device preloaded with images and videos that can't be extracted.

The best option you have is to watermark your videos. A big, not huge watermark on the bottom right corner. EvilAngel.com is doing this. At least they capture some visits from stolen content, and boy, people do type the watermark and hit enter more than you think, and some of those even sign up to the paysite. If you put some small watermart, some people will put a huge to cover yours.

Right, but then they have to do them one at a time and format, etc. And they have to wait through the streaming process AND the unique ID I put in the stream will either have to be erased or I will know what member to shitcan. They'll have to join with a card and we'll have a trail, and we can compare last 4 digits to track down pirates easily. Trust me, this is so much more effort than a siterip, it will stop a bunch of them.

I would buy it or rent it if the price is reasonable and it worked on MY servers.

Some company on here can and offered something to protect video. All I had to do was upload all my content to their servers so they could process it and then I could re download it.

Might as well just give it to the pirates myself. Sorry to say I did not know them or trust them or their employees.

One other thing that can be done other than just a water mark as they cut them off. Is to add file info.

Most video rendering programs can do this. It wont stop piracy but it will help you prove ownership for legal reasons later on should you decide to take a company to court over the piracy.

If the user can watch it, he can rip it and share it. He can just use a screen recorder. There are plenty of those apps out there that also record the sound that is playing. The recording quality is the same as what you see on the screen, so it doesn't produce lower quality video or something like some people think.

There will be always a way to GRAB a video and sound from clip, so lets say you can make their life's harder but you cant protect it

That ID won't end up in a recording written in a bitrate of the pirate's choosing.

And if a pirate is profiting when all is said and done, he'll share subscription access with a group of basement dwellers who will spend the day eating Doritos and drinking Monsters while they grab and rewrite everything you have.

Content needs to be put into an inexpensive delivery container that if broken into will result in said content being destroyed.

This content must be played on a yet to be developed inexpensive hardware device that has no data extraction ports that if broken into will result in said device being destroyed.

The only kind of theft will then be the classic shitty bootleg.

Go to every file locker, torrent site and tube site and upload hundreds (preferably thousands) of

• 1) bad copies,

• 2) fake copies,

• 3) overly watermarked

• 4) damaged copies of your content

• 5) Large gigbite sized files with out of synched audio

• 6) Poor quality gay porn labeled as straight

• 7) Pay a porn girl to yell at the camera that pirates are fucking looser then loop it a hundred times

• 8) upload passwords that when used only result in IP cateloging so that they can be blocked

• 9) Upload a video that randomly plays an Islamic call to prayer during the sex scenes.

• 10) Make it so that the video when played opens up every single christian anti-porn site available

In short upload everything and anything that is more or less guaranteed to anger the downloaders that spent hours downloading useless junk. This way they eventually start to learn to avoid your product and go and bother other people.

Vidoes are for traffic, product placement, and url marketing within the video are where you make your money. Also.. they can't steal what your releasing tomorrow, but you can sell that today.

I'd say this is somewhat of an outrun the bear issue - "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you." Pirates are looking for the easiest way to do what they do. They apply economics. If you make it harder for them it does produce an effect. Sure, like rats, they might figure out a way around it, but just like password crackers they look for the easy win. There are 3 million web sites. They won't all be protected.

There is enough experience right here on this board to design a 99% solution.

I am not saying the tubes will go away or even that they need to. Perhaps a model that uses the revealed power of the tubes to aggregate and drive traffic while protecting super high value scenes from piracy. Perhaps tubes might come to the table if they thought they needed to. Instead of a scene package going 400 stills one trailer and 20 minutes, it might now go 100 stills, one trailer, one "off angle" tube clip and one blockbuster.

What we've put down so far is

separate streams
variable bitrate and framerate
opt in commentary
unique coding
unique visible tagging
watermarking
possible wrapper executable with timeout
unbreakable zips on site, hot extracted for stream
member hash read, ip log, card log, industry database, de-personalized?
free friendly-tube copy is of better quality than VCR or logger would be
random stops or skips (no user watches all the way through from start to finish, or very few do)

These are all currently attested in various applications, i.e. none of them are impossible.

There are several companies who offer video fingerprinting software that adds a unique identifier to the video as it's being downloaded. This identifier can be traced back to the member who downloaded it. I think there are only a small percentage of members who share videos so that's the best place to start. Once the initial video gets uploaded to a file locker, all the other dirty bags download it and re-upload in an attempt to cash in before it gets flagged and removed. Even the thieves get pissed off that other thieves are stealing from them.

Identifying the initial content leaks are key.

Let me ask you a simple question, would YOU buy such a crippled device? Because I sure as fuck wouldn't, and I would only possibly consider it if they gave it away. And even then, I can assure you it would only be a matter of time before the system got jail-broken.

Companies have already tried making crippled devices using DRM, and time and time again consumers have rejected such restrictions. Why? Because once you pay for media you expect it to be usable across the devices you own, not tied down to one device.

Google the history of DRM and the music industry to see a real-world test case of your scenario.

I'll agree that is a tough one

So, you would not buy an inexpensive form of eyewear ( with ear buds ) that allowed you to become immersed in what you were watching, to which you could insert an inexpensive flash drive type device shipped to you buy a sponsor that contained up to 10 years worth of content?

OK ........ even though you can't play X-Box games on a Playstation or on your PC and you had to buy the console on faith that enough games would be released for the X-Box to get your money's worth and few people bother to mod the device or rip the the content ........ but this is beside the point ................

You take the amount of sales lost from piracy + from mega Tube channels + user uploads to mega Tubes and you convert that into free eyewear for the customer with the purchase of content.

Now the customer has a player that he can purchase more PORN for and each sponsor gives you the option of purchasing PORN at a discount if you already have the player.

I'm not really seeing a downside to this.

Let me shoot it down for you :winkwink:

First off and the most obvious who is going to develop this fantastic device?

Because it sounds like you're proposing something like Google Glass. You do realize that developing hardware costs money, so who is going to pay for that? Sponsors? :1orglaugh

The history of DRM as implemented by the music industry already demonstrated that it's a huge risk if not outright financial suicide.

Google could develop Glass because:
1) they can afford it
2) the research and development that they did will have other applications that they'll implement and license
3) it's got applications beyond consumer entertainment

The device you're proposing is simply for watching porn, so that's another difficult point to get investors on-board.

I could go on, but I'm gonna get carpal tunnel syndrome if I do :thumbsup

vpn/proxy, stolen #cc, screen recorder. how u gonna beat that?

Audio is a dead end in this respect. Anyone attempting DRM is wasting time as long as you can bootleg any audible sound with a digital recorder into a quality recording.

Audio/Video is not a dead end. Bootlegged video will always be inferior to the original.

As far as Porn is concerned, audio is inconsequential. You limit how the video can be viewed and you have an effective DRM strategy.

Now, you can throw as many monkeywrenches at the idea as you care to, but your only alternative is to play an endless game of Whackamole involving content that can be cloned or copied and converted back into content that can be cloned.

The best Whackamole strategy is to give the consumer no choice but to download an app that allows him to watch your videos on his device. Without the app, the video does not play. The app forces the device to enter into something akin to a DOS mode in which most other functions are disabled and the consumer can't run a video screen recorder. The ability to convert a PC into a projecter and transmit a signal to another device must be thwarted in the process.

Actually, the same is true for audio.

When you rip the audio of say a youtube video you're ripping a low-quality copy of it because youtube audio is AT BEST 192k, which is ass-shit-fuck quality for anyone that knows audio.

In fact, even 320K is ass-shit-fuck quality to anyone that knows audio because you're still discarding information in order to compress audio. Real niggas demand original-source FLAC or WAV :winkwink:

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My point, and the point which over ten years of real-world application of it demonstrates is that DRM does not work. Google the history of DRM and Apple iTunes to give you the classic case-study for it.

So you're expecting people to install a piece of software that will embed itself into their operating system, taking over basic resources in order to protect your product? Mmm why does that spectacularly bad idea sound so familiar? :1orglaugh

And you're still not addressing the issue that consumers expect the content they paid for to work across multiple devices (home computer, tablet, phone, PC, MAC) so is your software-based crippler gonna work on all of them? Oh lordy.

I'm not pretending to have a solution to an issue that involves a basic paradigm shift in the product/consumer relationship.

I'm simply pointing out that the DRM-crippling solutions you're bringing to the table have already been tested in the real world for over ten years and failed.

If your music is in a digital format that can't be ripped from the source or recorded with software on the fly while it is playing, I can still bootleg a worthwhile copy of it by placing a recording device within range of the speakers. The higher quality the source and speaker system, the better my recording will turn out.

You can aim a video camera at a monitor or TV. The audio will be crappy, but we don't care because it is porn. The video will be crappy, which we do care about because it is porn.

Ripping crappy audio from a YouTube video is really not relevant.

What needs to be embedded? You launch an app/player that simultaneously renders keyboards inoperable with the exception of the ESC button that shuts the app/player off, while you use a mouse cursor or your finger to manipulate the video player controls and shut the app/player off. The app shuts down if there is any outbound signal projection attempt. The app shuts down if recording software is in operation. The app gets updates regarding the latest software recorders.

So they download a similar app to a phone or tablet, neither of which are capable of running any CPU intense on the fly recording software or exporting audio/video signals to another device at the moment anyway.

So you're saying that recording audio from your speakers will give you a better quality version than ripping it from a low-quality digital source :1orglaugh I haven't laughed that hard in three days, thank you.

Oh lordy lord, so let me get this straight.

You expect consumers to willingly download an app that will render their device unusable while they play the media they paid for by some magical means which will not interfere with basic system operations which are technically unavoidably involved in such an app and which will render their device (be it computer, tablet, phone, etc) useless if they try to jail-break the system.

You know, when you put it like that it sounds like a no-fail plan.

I cannot wait to hear your success story and the billions of dollars you will make marketing such a system :thumbsup

Like he said - focus on those who are honest. There was a thread like this before - and the one of the things the other guys gave as advice was - put your logo in all the videos - you can't protect them , at least make advertising on those.
Some of the gfy guys said before - some of the companies are not complaining - they say - this is advertising to us.

Hit them over and over again. Thieves are lazy and will move to an easier target. If not get more hardcore with your efforts.


It's an ongoing and constant battle.

this problem is easily solvable with magic video links :thumbsup

This can be solved by creating a codec like divx for example which you encode your videos with which contacts a server for auth. A custom player can even be created. Basically, it's going to have to be something your members have to download in order for the videos to work. You can encode the HD videos this way & the low quality ones the standard way.
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This is definitely something that makes me pull my hair out. And quite frankly, I don't have the time to go hunt this shit down. I've found a pretty good alternative that seems to work alright.

I have a pretty loyal fan base who buys my stuff. So I simply ask them not to share by adding a notice to the beginning of my clips that says, "If you share, we can't make more." Plus a little more to try and discourage sharing.

Does it stop it all? No.. but it does put the word out that when we're not selling videos, we're not making more.

I said no such thing.

I did say you could create a worthwhile bootleg from what is essentially a quality audio experience.

Can you create a worthwhile bootleg of a video in this fashion? Not really, unless you set up a recording device in front of a fucking huge expensive HD television broadcasting a BlueRay video, which is a highly unlikely scenario for a basement dwelling digital Pirate.

Yet, taking that into consideration, my initial suggestion was tailoring content to be played on a smaller screen inches away from your eyes.

Only being able to use one button on your PC keyboard while you watch a video is magic? An app shutting down becaus it recognized another program running is magic?

I'm only thowing out ideas here of what I think is feasible, so feel free to disagree all you want.

Pigeon holing ideas with irrelevant and ridiculous arguments really doesn't help solve anything.

This shit has been going on since 2007 when I first came into the adult industry and its far worse now than it ever was.
So many full movie and site rip sites about now and these blogs poping up which link to download and torrent sites are way worse than ever before.
This shit will never stop and Im so glad I no longer rely on adult for an income. Very sad the way its gone but no matter what you do to try and stop it, these assholes come up with something else. Maybe one day soon they will completly destroy the adult industry and then they will have no more content to rip and then they will be fucked...

Recording a low-quality song from your speakers producers a lower quality copy than a digital rip from the original low-quality source. Fact.

Your argument about people making bootlegs out of recording speakers/screens is a moot point.

You said your app would not interfere with basic system operation, and disabling keyboard input as well as monitoring processor load as well as being able to shut it down based on it (which by the way implies your app would disable multi-tasking, and how many people watch movies while rendering video, answering email, chatting) so yeah, it'd be magic.

I have refuted your arguments with facts and real-word examples. You on the other hand have not backed any of your arguments with more than mere speculation and fantasy.

Why not simply build a time-machine and go back to 1980 and make porn then?

Oh wait, the technology that allows you to make, edit and distribute videos cheaply didn't exist then.

You'd have to spend big bucks on analog cameras, hire an editor, splice film, try to get a distribution deal, manufacture VHS tapes, etc etc.

So you see, the technology that allows people to produce and distribute porn easily and cheaply is the same technology that ass-fucked the business model. Oh sweet fuck how can you not smile at the irony of it? And then of course, cry about it :(

By the way, this is not limited to porn, digital technology has disturbed almost every single aspect of life. How many bank tellers have lost their jobs? Remember bike courriers? Newspapers are getting reamed because of it.

The issue is much bigger than simple file-sharing and thinking that consumer-oriented crippling technologies will solve it is delusional.

When you play a PC game, you have to either quit the game or minimize the game screen.

I'm suggesting removing the ability to minimize the video player app window so it consumes the entire screen. The only keyboard key assigned a function is the ESC button. You can quit the application with a mouseclick or finger touch. The mouse cursor controls the video player controls. The app shuts itself down upon recognition of any known screen capturing video grabbers or signal projection.

Yes, you would not be able to multi task. The app would have to remember where you during your last viewing session if you exited to answer an email or whatever.

Or window minimization could made to occur if you hit PAUSE?

Still waiting for this so called magic that you keep insisting is necessary.

I would simply LOVE to keep explaining to you the inherent logical as well as physical flaws of your utterly misguided and misinformed strategy (it's great for my postcount), but "Breaking Bad" is on.

So please by all means feel free to keep on working on that magical imaginary app of yours that will save the industry by locking up consumers' devices and expecting to pay for it oh porn messiah.

And I hope you will forgive my skepticism and let me invest imaginary dollars when your imaginary company goes public :thumbsup