What the Frack?!
 

Colorado frack-site flooding - September 2013

http://vimeo.com/74683562

Fossil fuels are for fucking fools!

there should be an application for people to be able to use the internet :2 cents:

fossil fuels don't exist... thinking oil comes from dead dinosaurs is idiotic...

Look, a red triangle!

http://www.webdesign.org/img_articles/12659/world01.jpg

says someone who's entire life, career, infrastructure, etc... is utterly dependent on them...


(i.e. your food, your roads, your clothes, your medical equipment, all the plastic in your computer, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..... the list is endless)


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If there was no such thing as oil, do you think that, by this time in history, we wouldn't have adapted to an alternate energy source or sources?

Of course current life is based on shitty fossil fuels. That doesn't mean we should be happy with this greedy and disgusting method of energy.

It's time to evolve past this nonsense.

You seem to miss the absolute impact that the petrochemical industry has had on humans. Not only does it supply fuel that enables us to ship goods cheaply all over the planet, but that is actually only about half of the use.... Without petrochemicals, you would not have pretty much anything you look at in your home. All of your furniture and clothing is made with synthetic fibers coming from petrochemicals, not to mention every single item that you own that contains some form of plastic, (which is pretty much everything), and medical equipment as well as most medicines that you take and all of the artificial heart valves, and your roof, and the insulation in your wiring, and the paint on your walls, asphalt, the synthetic rubber in your cars tires, etc.... the list is endless. If there was no such thing as oil, almost NOTHING of what we have today would exist, and there is no other source for all of the things that keep so many people alive on the planet today. The fact is, is that without oil, we wouldn't ever be able to build solar power plants in the first place.

You are living in a fantasy world if you think that there is any other resource on this planet that would have replaced oil if it wasn't around. Without it, we would still be living as we were in about 1880, our lives would be much shorter, our technology would be crap, we would still be dying from a myriad of deseases that we no longer suffer from, and there would be far more people starving to death on the planet or not living past childhood then there are now. Frankly we would probably actually be polluting much MORE now if oil had not been around to create the newest products that we can use so cleanly now. We would have probably been forced to cut down every tree and kill every animal in an effort to keep up with demands for resources that petrochemicals now satisfy

Take a look at this subject, and educate yourself. See if you can clearly think about what modern technology we would have been able to create to take us forward into a cleaner world WITHOUT oil.

It may be time to move past it soon.... but without it, we would not have the capability of creating any new technology in the first place.


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this.. so much this...

What's the matter? Was this set of facts too far outside your worldview?





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Yep, mostly it comes from the decomposed organic matter of plants, insects and animals that existed before the dinosaurs.

It's not a "worldview" - it's an alternate reality....

An achievable, but unlikely reality, given how humans currently function.

You're all stuck in the here and now, dude.

You have no vision, man. :pimp



https://youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

I go even farther than that. This is more theoretical than proven fact at this point but there is evidence, strong in my opinion, that it's actually completely abiotic. Which would explain a lot..

http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/45838/

Way to completely ignore all of the facts in my post.


Don't want to address any of the fact and logic, just come at me with a sticom clip....



Ok, oh seer of great vision. Please tell me how we could have solar panels without petrochemicals?



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You're right. We wouldn't be anywhere near where we are now as a civilization without petro-chemicals. It's everything.

But we can move forward without them because we're smart enough to find a replacement.

Can you name a replacement source for petrochemicals that we have found already? See what you can find to replace all of those uses in the quantities needed for the whole planet.

It may happen at some point in the future, but at this point, the fact is that we are NOWHERE near coming up with another source for all the substances that we need to survive and progress other than from petroleum.

It's a cold, harsh truth, but the truth nontheless, and all the wishing in the world won't make it go away.


Try looking at some of the lists of products, industries, medicines, agricultural uses, etc.... that all are derived directly from petrochemicals sometime. Then you tell me what to replace them with..... I would be fascinated to hear!


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(p.s. Be sure your replacement won't require petrochemicals to make..... that would kind of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it.... :) )



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My grandfather used to sell petrochemicals door-to-door, back in the day.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...you-a--007.jpg

Hello M'am, Can I interest you in antiquated products
that will stifle innovation and eventually destroy the earth?

It's probably mostly cannabis.

Of course they do! Dude, you are hilarious! :D :D



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by 2020 solar energy will be 3 times cheaper than oil. That's the whole production process of each taken into consideration. America seems to behind many other countries that are moving forward on solar power.

Agreed that as a power source Oil will be replaced..... but as a source for chemicals that are needed in every aspect of modern technology?? Absolutely not.

My point, (which everyone seems to have missed), is that it isn't as a FUEL that will keep oil important forever, it's as a source of chemicals that we desperately need for our modern life, and will need even more as we progress. Especially if we want to make things like cheap solar power possible!

The following is a partial list of the major commercial petrochemicals and their derivatives:


Chemicals produced from ethylene ethylene - the simplest olefin; used as a chemical feedstock and ripening stimulant polyethylene - polymerized ethylene
ethanol - via ethylene hydration (chemical reaction adding water) of ethylene
ethylene oxide - via ethylene oxidation ethylene glycol - via ethylene oxide hydration engine coolant - ethylene glycol, water and inhibitor mixture
polyesters - any of several polymers with ester linkages in the backbone chain
glycol ethers - via glycol condensation
ethoxylates
vinyl acetate
1,2-dichloroethane trichloroethylene
tetrachloroethylene - also called perchloroethylene; used as a dry cleaning solvent and degreaser
vinyl chloride - monomer for polyvinyl chloride polyvinyl chloride (PVC) - type of plastic used for piping, tubing, other things
Chemicals produced from propylene propylene - used as a monomer and a chemical feedstock isopropyl alcohol - 2-propanol; often used as a solvent or rubbing alcohol
acrylonitrile - useful as a monomer in forming Orlon, ABS
polypropylene - polymerized propylene
propylene oxide polyol - used in the production of polyurethanes
propylene glycol - used in engine coolant and aircraft deicer fluid
glycol ethers - from condensation of glycols
acrylic acid acrylic polymers
allyl chloride - epichlorohydrin - chloro-oxirane; used in epoxy resin formation epoxy resins - a type of polymerizing glue from bisphenol A, epichlorohydrin, and some amine
1,4 hydrocarbons - a mixture consisting of butanes, butylenes and butadienes isomers of butylene - useful as monomers or co-monomers isobutylene - feed for making methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) or monomer for copolymerization with a low percentage of isoprene to make butyl rubber
1,3-butadiene (or buta-1,3-diene) - a diene often used as a monomer or co-monomer for polymerization to elastomers such as polybutadiene, styrene-butadiene rubber, or a plastic such as acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene (ABS) synthetic rubbers - synthetic elastomers made of any one or more of several petrochemical (usually) monomers such as 1,3-butadiene, styrene, isobutylene, isoprene, chloroprene; elastomeric polymers are often made with a high percentage of conjugated diene monomers such as 1,3-butadiene, isoprene, or chloroprene
higher olefins polyolefins such poly-alpha-olefins, which are used as lubricants
alpha-olefins - used as monomers, co-monomers, and other chemical precursors. For example, a small amount of 1-hexene can be copolymerized with ethylene into a more flexible form of polyethylene.
other higher olefins
detergent alcohols
Chemicals produced from benzene benzene - the simplest aromatic hydrocarbon ethylbenzene - made from benzene and ethylene styrene made by dehydrogenation of ethylbenzene; used as a monomer polystyrenes - polymers with styrene as a monomer
cumene - isopropylbenzene; a feedstock in the cumene process phenol - hydroxybenzene; often made by the cumene process
acetone - dimethyl ketone; also often made by the cumene process
bisphenol A - a type of "double" phenol used in polymerization in epoxy resins and making a common type of polycarbonate epoxy resins - a type of polymerizing glue from bisphenol A, epichlorohydrin, and some amine
polycarbonate - a plastic polymer made from bisphenol A and phosgene (carbonyl dichloride)
solvents - liquids used for dissolving materials; examples often made from petrochemicals include ethanol, isopropyl alcohol, acetone, benzene, toluene, xylenes
cyclohexane - a 6-carbon aliphatic cyclic hydrocarbon sometimes used as a non-polar solvent adipic acid - a 6-carbon dicarboxylic acid, which can be a precursor used as a co-monomer together with a diamine to form an alternating copolymer form of nylon. nylons - types of polyamides, some are alternating copolymers formed from copolymerizing dicarboxylic acid or derivatives with diamines
caprolactam - a 6-carbon cyclic amide nylons - types of polyamides, some are from polymerizing caprolactam
nitrobenzene - can be made by single nitration of benzene aniline - aminobenzene methylene diphenyl diisocyanate (MDI) - used as a co-monomer with diols or polyols to form polyurethanes or with di- or polyamines to form polyureas polyurethanes
alkylbenzene - a general type of aromatic hydrocarbon, which can be used as a presursor for a sulfonate surfactant (detergent) detergents - often include surfactants types such as alkylbenzenesulfonates and nonylphenol ethoxylates
chlorobenzene
Chemicals produced from toluene toluene - methylbenzene; can be a solvent or precursor for other chemicals benzene
toluene diisocyanate (TDI) - used as co-monomers with diols or polyols to form polyurethanes or with di- or polyamines to form polyureas polyurethanes - a polymer formed from diisocyanates and diols or polyols
benzoic acid - carboxybenzene caprolactam nylon
Chemicals produced from xylenes mixed xylenes - any of three dimethylbenzene isomers, could be a solvent but more often precursor chemicals ortho-xylene - both methyl groups can be oxidized to form (ortho-)phthalic acid phthalic anhydride
para-xylene - both methyl groups can be oxidized to form terephthalic acid dimethyl terephthalate - can be copolymerized to form certain polyesters polyesters - although there can be many types, polyethylene terephthalate is made from petrochemical products and is very widely used.
purified terephthalic acid - often copolymerized to form polyethylene terephthalate polyesters
meta-xylene isophthalic acid alkyd resins
Polyamide Resins
Unsaturated Polyesters


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