If a site now uses nats....
 

Back of your mind do you think its so they do it so they can shave or keep the cash and not pay out?

To ber fair its not just nats but any of these none auto pay out systems. So unlike say ccbill that auto pays out these sites do not.

I see some sites boasting big pay outs, yet when it comes to states, people say there sales are 0.

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Do you remember that offer a few years ago of a free car? Did anyone get one?

Hm, this could be a fun thread with the connection(s) you made there...

There was a lot of shady stuff during the cross sale boom. A lot of programs you knew sucked liked satan cash, traffic gigilios, quick buck etc, we're going to eventually screw people over. It's about character, not about nats.
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Very true :thumbsup

I do hope that Iwas not sugesting that all systems that use nats are up to no good.

I was trying to sugest that today when sales are poor, one should question why some firms opt for nats, or for that matter any system that lets them controll things.

Because it comes with a lot of features and sometimes, paying a few hundred bucks a month is cheaper than building your own stuff...

It is a simple as Duke said it. If you want to screw someone over you can do it no matter wich platform you use. This subject have been done again and again over the years and result is always the same. Those who cheat do so because they want to and they will find a way.

If i remember right, several coders on here have said it wouldent be a big problem to add a shave feature to any system. Can be done in so many ways that it cant be stopped.

CCBill and the third-party aggregated payout are great for smaller affiliates and programs, but anyone pushing a large amount of traffic will need advanced features, tracking, and especially billing.

I think I've probably posted this at least 30 times on GFY. Trust the company, not the software.

I remember saying years ago that it was ridiculous that progs pushed NATS as 'Shave Proof'...

I was hauled over the coals here by a number of 'players' for saying it - Most of them turned out to be scammers and the developer of NATS turned out to be the biggest of them all - Fabian (Manwin).....

Anything can be cheated. You gotta trust the people, or just go on blind faith.

The bad thing about trusting people is, everyone is great until the day they decide to fuck you.

How/when were you "hauled over the coals"? I said the exact same thing and never received any negative response.

I got a free Escalade from Marc DeForest, Greeguy got a free Viper from CE, lots of people got Free cars

What software are you supposed to use with private merchant accounts that no scammer uses? Scammers use Nats cause it works, the same reason the good guys use it.

I said it a few times and the 'bro' club of the time didn't like it...

It's history now - We have all learnt not to take things at face value since then - For better or worse.....

our :2 cents:, we were using zferral.com aka https://getambassador.com/... when we first started out. was ok, but very limited in the way of ads, promo materials, and the customer support sucked... nats just had better functionality and better integration tools...thats why we switched
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Depends on the reputation of the program, if there known for not paying out then stear clear. A few programs I work with are ALWAYS late on payouts. I send them a quick email and I get paid up so I cant complain too much because I am getting paid in the end

Sort of true but it also depends on how closely you are paying attention. Sure if you only go by how many reps post on gfy that someone is "good peepz" you're often going to get fucked as an affiliate suddenly when it's no longer true. But if you watch more carefully and pay attention to what they are doing and how they talk about affiliates you'll usually get a clue long in advance that something is coming or how they really see affiliates. For an affiliate I would say this is the best use of gfy.

There are some honest good people still left in the business though. Very few are angels but I know there are still people here who have a high resistance to screwing others and usually that shines through in their posts.

My opinion isn't an "anti NATS" thing, BUT...when some affiliate programs (and this is about the programs, not NATS) set a minimum payout of $100 - and sell slowly, and you finally get to earning $90 and they close up shop...you're screwed...and multiply that buy ten, and you are REALLY screwed...
Because there's no "collective" way to tally up sales from multiple affiliate programs within the NATS system - and I realize that'd be impossible.

However...there IS that within CCBILL...so making sales across assorted affiliate programs, you DO get paid...without having to wait until hitting a minimum payout from each individual affiliate program.

So for bigger affiliate programs w/ NATS...I am good to go...
"New ones", I do NOT promote them right at first...been burned way too often i the past.

You can't just go by the bros or the wannabe bros/reps. That is for sure. For starters their not wanting to screw them does not mean that they won't screw you.

The ethical thing to do was always to payout to the affiliates any past due money when closing or when selling if the new owners aren't going to keep the program running. This is the way it is supposed to be done and it's how real businesses do things. But collectively we failed to demand that and it's now to the point where we don't expect to get paid. The same for wanting to close your account and have any money due sent to you regardless of the minimum.

I'm using NATS right now doing customization.

The reason a sponsor uses NATS is pretty simple : Creating a custom back end from scratch is expensive and risky.

If you use NATS then it's easier to find a programmer or designer with experience to
customize your website functions compared to having a full custom script and the original
programmer is no longer available.

As far as shaving goes : There is no software in the world that can stop a sponsor that is hell bent on being a crook (Sorry, our server went down and we lost all payment data and all backups were destroyed in a fire :1orglaugh)

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Both StatsRemote and NiftyStats let you consolidate stats from as many programs as you'd like.

you answered your own question, what business would not want to control their own business? it makes no sense to allow others to control your business.

we just moved to NATS last week, the reason is pretty simple. the programmer of our old affiliate software stopped supporting it some time ago, it was slow to send the surfer from the link to the site, NATS was pretty instant in doing this, so moving to nats was a simple business decision. We paid out everyone who was owed 25$ or more, 24 or less we will add it to their accounts in NATS.

As for paying people out, this is where having control of your own business comes in. I had an affiliate 2 weeks ago write me saying he did not get his last check, he said he needed the money for food..he did not have paypal but wanted me to western union it to him....he needed the money now, so I rounded UP to the nearest hundred and sent it western union, he had his money (plus a little extra) n his hand within an hour after sending me the first email. his check was sent, but not cashed yet... moving to a new system does not mean someone is trying to rip you off, simply email them ask to get paid out in full..I think most will do that... I would

It comes with many benefits, cascade billing and better control of PPS and revshare options etc. If you are un-sure go with the programs that have been paying out for years :thumbsup

Or here's a good one,

"Sorry but after many good years of a small army of affiliates building links to our paysites for free, we have decided to close our doors - to affiliates.

We just can't keep the program going any longer. It's time to make some real money by screwing over the only vendors we have who can't hurt us except by whining on the internet, which they will likely do anyway.

All your accounts will have the passwords changed so you have no access to stats, and we will continue pay the lease for our nats license and our hosting bill so any continuing billing we do from your customers remains ours, and in case you don't have a few hundred hours to go remove all our links from your hundreds of websites we will keep any income generated by that as well - keep an eye out for a strikingly similar program launching soon with similar templates and a lot of the same content but this one is run by someone totally different who can't say who he works for - its part of his contract.

Or maybe we'll skip that guy this time and get a fake profile of a chick who's reasonably attractive but not too much so everybody keeps asking to see her tits instead of asking the important questions."