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Struggle4Bucks

08-31-2013 03:47 PM

How to use Epoch AND CCBill without leaks...

How to use Epoch AND CCBill (including both affiliate-programs) for your paysites without your affiliates having leaks?

I use Epoch as first and only processor... and also my affiliate program is epoch-based. But... I want to be able to serve ccbill affiliates (also the small ones that only push ccbill-sites) the possibility to promote me through ccbill.

So two places where affiliates can grab promos and codes... which one they prefer...

Can this be done without leaks and without adding more (software)parties to the operation?

Visitors that come via ccbill-affiliate must absolutely only be served with ccbill joinforms.
Visitors that come via Epoch-affiliate must absolutely only be served with epoch-joinforms.

I don't work with tours... I think tours are crap... My whole site is one big open "tour" so all visitors can see what they get with their own eyes before signing up.

Some programs have a special ccbill tour and another epoch-tour, but then when you typin the website's url the tour is gone and the wrong biller COULD be served...
So... special tours are not perse the solution... It must be absolutely leak-free...

Cascading is also not a solution... cascading is to send a DENIAL through a cascading-link
to a second processor and (correct me if i'm wrong) not to use one processor only as affiliate-program and the other as processor.

Thanks...

Ar.

Konda

08-31-2013 09:09 PM

you could make a clone of your site like
www2.strugglingbabes.com and use that for the CCBill URL

You could also just ad a simple php code to the 'tour' pages that if a CCBill variable is parsed along (eg CA=) all the signup links go to /membership_ccbill/ instead of /membership

Or you could add that code to the /membership page that if the CCBill var is available it shows the CCBill options instead of the Epoch options

freecartoonporn

08-31-2013 09:29 PM

enable extra info in ccbill and check for
if CA var is set then
set cookie to know whether this came from ccbill or not.
set payout url to ccbill or tour 2 which then sends surfer to ccbill

everything else to epoch.1

and add code to check for cookie too.

The Porn Nerd

08-31-2013 09:38 PM

In the end you will have to run two affiliate programs, one for CCBill and one for Epoch and have affiliates signup to both programs. Then they can choose how to promote, via which processer etc.

Type-ins are another matter. For those you will have to decide which program you yourself will get paid through. You have it setup as Epoch now so type-ins will remain "yours" via Epoch. CCBill affiliates would not get paid via type-ins. I don't know of any other way with type-ins. LOL :)

PS. This shouldn't be a 'struggle' to get the 'bucks'. Hehe

CHMOD

08-31-2013 11:56 PM

You have had good tips in this thread. If ever you do not have any time to spend to do the setup, I can definately set you up.

freecartoonporn

09-01-2013 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19781685)

In the end you will have to run two affiliate programs, one for CCBill and one for Epoch and have affiliates signup to both programs. Then they can choose how to promote, via which processer etc.

Type-ins are another matter. For those you will have to decide which program you yourself will get paid through. You have it setup as Epoch now so type-ins will remain "yours" via Epoch. CCBill affiliates would not get paid via type-ins. I don't know of any other way with type-ins. LOL :)

PS. This shouldn't be a 'struggle' to get the 'bucks'. Hehe

you didnt read my post ,

where i said to set cookie. so CCBill affiliates would also get paid via type-ins....
everything is possible , after all its just 1s and 0s.

babeterminal

09-01-2013 04:40 AM

cascade billing

The Porn Nerd

09-01-2013 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn (Post 19781836)

you didnt read my post ,

where i said to set cookie. so CCBill affiliates would also get paid via type-ins....
everything is possible , after all its just 1s and 0s.

You didn't read MY post - a surfer types in a URL and, cookie or no cookie, you can't give credit to an affiliate unless you manually do so. Whatever, I'm not a programmer so maybe there's a way but I've never heard of one. Good luck.

freecartoonporn

09-01-2013 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19781997)

You didn't read MY post - a surfer types in a URL and, cookie or no cookie, you can't give credit to an affiliate unless you manually do so. Whatever, I'm not a programmer so maybe there's a way but I've never heard of one. Good luck.

You didn't read MY post - a surfer types in a URL and
if cookie present affiliate gets credit.
if cookie not present affiliate wont get credit.

Kolargol

09-01-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn (Post 19782007)

You didn't read MY post - a surfer types in a URL and
if cookie present affiliate gets credit.
if cookie not present affiliate wont get credit.

If a surfer referred by a ccbill affiliate types in the URL he will get to a join page eventually and there will be Epoch form only as posted by OP.

Struggle4Bucks

09-01-2013 02:47 PM

Thanks all for input!

If this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 19781673)

Or you could add that code to the /membership page that if the CCBill var is available it shows the CCBill options instead of the Epoch options

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn (Post 19781682)

enable extra info in ccbill and check for
if CA var is set then
set cookie to know whether this came from ccbill or not.
set payout url to ccbill or tour 2 which then sends surfer to ccbill

everything else to epoch.1

and add code to check for cookie too.

is all it takes then i think my headache can go home now:)
Few question though: enable extra info in ccbill : where to enable extra info in ccbill?
What is CA var?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19781685)

In the end you will have to run two affiliate programs, one for CCBill and one for Epoch and have affiliates signup to both programs.

If i'm correct the fhg's that i submit to epoch-program must be different fhg's then the one i submit to ccbill? If i'm correct there is a epoch-script involved in my current fhg's so if i would use exactly the actual same fhg's for ccbill there would be a problem, correct? Anyone knows?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19781685)

PS. This shouldn't be a 'struggle' to get the 'bucks'. Hehe

Correct... it should not be a struggle:upsidedow:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19781997)

You didn't read MY post - a surfer types in a URL and, cookie or no cookie, you can't give credit to an affiliate unless you manually do so. Whatever, I'm not a programmer so maybe there's a way but I've never heard of one. Good luck.

I think freecartoonporn is correct... I meant when a visitor through affiliate types in url later that month AFTER first visiting the site via affiliate-link...
Some programs indeed do something like this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 19781673)

you could make a clone of your site like
www2.strugglingbabes.com and use that for the CCBill URL

But then if you would later come back via type in url without that 2 in it then the tour that leads to the CORRECT biller is gone... so maybe cookies, etc... are not correct over there. This is what i need to avoid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by babeterminal (Post 19781857)

cascade billing

Is not a solution. What i know of it, and correct me if i'm wrong, cascading is for redirecting a DENIAL through a cascading link to go to second processor. If there is no denial there is no cascading-link. It would also get messy... for example: i would use one processor as first choice. Then all the money from sales come in at first choice biller. How do the affiliates from the second-biller-company get paid. There is no money coming in there. Correct me if i'm wrong but to my knowledge there is no funds exchange between epoch and ccbill.
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Thanks:thumbsup

livexxx

09-01-2013 03:14 PM

Use the set and check for a cookie based on the referrer, then you can even serve mobile payment solutions as well for mobile traffic. You'd need to include it on all pages in case aff's send traffic to places other than the home page.

signupdamnit

09-01-2013 03:31 PM

Set a cookie which controls which join forms are shown. If neither the special Epoch or CCBill affiliate cookie (special for your site) is not found then show it as normal as you would for a type-in. Make sure to set the cookie length for these cookies equal or greater than the length of the respective affiliate cookies.

I think you might also want to intercept the redirect from refer.ccbill.com (and epoch's) and then set the appropriate cookie at that point, possibly based on the referrer.

Just be careful not to overwrite any of the regular CCBill or Epoch cookies anywhere.

CCBill also is supposed to have a cascade with Epoch that when properly set up gives affiliates credit. I'm not sure if Epoch has the same thing. for their affiliate program.

signupdamnit

09-01-2013 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19781997)

You didn't read MY post - a surfer types in a URL and, cookie or no cookie, you can't give credit to an affiliate unless you manually do so. Whatever, I'm not a programmer so maybe there's a way but I've never heard of one. Good luck.

Well you can use a special cookie for your domain which is only set when traffic is sent from affiliates. Then prior to showing the join form you check for the presence of this cookie(s) and show only the appropriate join form which works with the affiliate program.

Konda

09-01-2013 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19782341)

Thanks all for input!

If this:

is all it takes then i think my headache can go home now:)
Few question though: enable extra info in ccbill : where to enable extra info in ccbill?
What is CA var?

When a surfer clicks a CCBill link code the user ends op on your site with a CA variable, something like http://www.yoursite.com/?CA=XXXX-XXXX

You add a simple line of php code to your landing page that when the CA variable is present a cookie is set (for example ccbill=1).
Then on your join page you add a script that if the user has a cookie with ccbill=1 it will show the CCBill options instead of the Epoch options.

If you set the cookie for 2 months or whatever, the CCBill form would still show (and the affiliate would still be credited), if the surfer came back a few weeks later by type-in.

This is the simplest option.

You could make it a bit more 'advanced' by also parsing along the CA variable through all the links on your site to the join page so that even if the surfer had cookies disabled it would still recognize that the surfer came through CCBill and still have the affiliate data available.

freecartoonporn

09-01-2013 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19782249)

If a surfer referred by a ccbill affiliate types in the URL he will get to a join page eventually and there will be Epoch form only as posted by OP.

he needs to create 2 prejoin forms, if his site has one,
one for ccbill and another for epoch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19782341)

Thanks all for input!

If this:

is all it takes then i think my headache can go home now:)
Few question though: enable extra info in ccbill : where to enable extra info in ccbill?
What is CA var?

If i'm correct the fhg's that i submit to epoch-program must be different fhg's then the one i submit to ccbill? If i'm correct there is a epoch-script involved in my current fhg's so if i would use exactly the actual same fhg's for ccbill there would be a problem, correct? Anyone knows?

Correct... it should not be a struggle:upsidedow:)

I think freecartoonporn is correct... I meant when a visitor through affiliate types in url later that month AFTER first visiting the site via affiliate-link...
Some programs indeed do something like this:

But then if you would later come back via type in url without that 2 in it then the tour that leads to the CORRECT biller is gone... so maybe cookies, etc... are not correct over there. This is what i need to avoid.

Is not a solution. What i know of it, and correct me if i'm wrong, cascading is for redirecting a DENIAL through a cascading link to go to second processor. If there is no denial there is no cascading-link. It would also get messy... for example: i would use one processor as first choice. Then all the money from sales come in at first choice biller. How do the affiliates from the second-biller-company get paid. There is no money coming in there. Correct me if i'm wrong but to my knowledge there is no funds exchange between epoch and ccbill.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks:thumbsup

ccbill > legacy affiliate > Append Data on Redirect > Enabled
(When enabled, this option allows you to append data on a redirect. )

for e.g.

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=901313&PA=2056383&HTML=http://www.rylskyart.com/
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=901313&PA=2056383&HTML=http://www.sexart.com/
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=945126-00000&PA=2056383&HTML=http://www.exgffilms.com/t1/

then check url when you land on the tour page. there is CA and PA value gets passed on to the tour page.
you just have to catch those..

you can use same fhg too, just add small code to it .,

if get ccbill isset then change all links to ccbill tour page or ccbill prejoin form./

bean-aid

09-01-2013 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHMOD (Post 19781751)

You have had good tips in this thread. If ever you do not have any time to spend to do the setup, I can definately set you up.

Sometimes the obvious is just not enough.

I find it strange talking about solutions that are not 3rd party, buy the solutions inherently with processors are third party.

alf6300

09-02-2013 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 19782574)

When a surfer clicks a CCBill link code the user ends op on your site with a CA variable, something like http://www.yoursite.com/?CA=XXXX-XXXX

You add a simple line of php code to your landing page that when the CA variable is present a cookie is set (for example ccbill=1).
Then on your join page you add a script that if the user has a cookie with ccbill=1 it will show the CCBill options instead of the Epoch options.

If you set the cookie for 2 months or whatever, the CCBill form would still show (and the affiliate would still be credited), if the surfer came back a few weeks later by type-in.

This is the simplest option.

You could make it a bit more 'advanced' by also parsing along the CA variable through all the links on your site to the join page so that even if the surfer had cookies disabled it would still recognize that the surfer came through CCBill and still have the affiliate data available.

What he said - we are doing it this way to manage affiliates under different processors and still credit everybody accurately.

One additional spin / tip:
--> this is not useful / required with ccbill, but with certain processors you may workaround any referral issues by placing, directly in the "paysite url" of your processor something like "mypaysite.com?processor=thisprocessor"

Miss Hybrid

02-09-2015 02:05 AM

Follow up

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19781519)

How to use Epoch AND CCBill (including both affiliate-programs) for your paysites without your affiliates having leaks?

I use Epoch as first and only processor... and also my affiliate program is epoch-based. But... I want to be able to serve ccbill affiliates (also the small ones that only push ccbill-sites) the possibility to promote me through ccbill.

So two places where affiliates can grab promos and codes... which one they prefer...

Can this be done without leaks and without adding more (software)parties to the operation?

Visitors that come via ccbill-affiliate must absolutely only be served with ccbill joinforms.
Visitors that come via Epoch-affiliate must absolutely only be served with epoch-joinforms.

I don't work with tours... I think tours are crap... My whole site is one big open "tour" so all visitors can see what they get with their own eyes before signing up.

Some programs have a special ccbill tour and another epoch-tour, but then when you typin the website's url the tour is gone and the wrong biller COULD be served...
So... special tours are not perse the solution... It must be absolutely leak-free...

Cascading is also not a solution... cascading is to send a DENIAL through a cascading-link
to a second processor and (correct me if i'm wrong) not to use one processor only as affiliate-program and the other as processor.

Thanks...

Ar.

Didi you ever succeed with running both join pages without using a cascade? Has anyone else managed to do so?

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