To all the Manwin apologists/asskissers; Here's how they operate:
 

Manwin makes money by selling ads on tubes to people who pay tens of thousands of dollars per month ($50k - $100k banner spots)

Let see WHO they sell it to and what it means for the surfer:

Banner ad on PornHub.com for supposedly FREE website
http://i.imgur.com/awvRveq.jpg


Clicking through to the website
http://i.imgur.com/25P9DpN.jpg


FREE no-bullshit offers are everywhere. Surfer by now is confident he is getting FREE access.
http://i.imgur.com/hAWnv6f.jpg


Supposedly FREE access comes out costing $120
http://i.imgur.com/IRjcxlJ.jpg


Manwin has no problems selling all that traffic that they shadily cornered to scams like that.

- Stolen content that people work hard to create is given for FREE to attract surfers.
- Half the surfers are conditioned to not pay for anything because of all the free content,
- Other half who do decide to buy something get fucked over by CC banging.

Take a second and try to comprehend the scale of this. Still think tubes don't affect porn sales? Still think Manwin tubes is a legitimate form of business?

Personally I hope Manwin DOES buy ALL of the LARGEST tubes out there, so when they go down (and they WILL go down) they take the biggest down with them.

Monopolize and consolidate the bullshit, and then blow it up! Nothing would be nicer.

I think most people already know all this and more. It's just that many of them are desperate and Manwin is probably saving them from going under for a while or else they see their tubes as their last hope for pulling something off. The same for some of the reps. They kiss their ass because their employer expects it since the companies do business together. You have to expect that.

People know they are shit and they are stepping in it when they work with them or defend them but they don't see it that they have much choice.

Then you have some affiliates out there who defend them. These guys tend not to promote any paysites so they don't give a fuck either. The tubes are just a free tool for them to get traffic to sell something else.

Welcome to 1999

There are those people, and there are people who genuinely think that Manwin and their Tubes is a legit evolvement of online porn.

They don't understand that most of the porn traffic is getting cornered and then sold off to total scams while tubes make millions parasitizing on the industry. They bring no benifit to the industry, they don't innovate anything, they don't produce anything, they don't evolve anything. They just DESTROY legit businesses.

:1orglaugh

It's like buying drinks for and kissing the ass of the guy that's fucking your wife. Cuckold businessmen with no self respect.

Deep down I truly do believe that most of the people kissing their ass here know all this. They know they are scum and they probably know they fucked them over as well deep down. But what can they do at this point?

If you notice many people got out since the tubes started rising. It's pretty much a "no confidence" vote in the industry each time. Many of these people who left used to sit here and defend the tubes and Manwin over and over again. But they knew. They knew better than to believe their own BS. That was just the public face. Deep down they knew the industry was going to get destroyed so they took the money and ran. I'm not going to name anyone but we all know a few examples of this.

There's ads on pornhub? I'm not sure why anyone would visit a site like that without adblock enabled.

Why a webmaster would think like that is beyond me.

What a scam!

Adblock is here to stay and thousands of people use it with more and more adding it each day. A smart webmaster would think like that and try to change things up. Adblock now allows non-intrusive ads to pass. I guess ads on that site don?t fit into the ?non-intrusive? category though and more into the bait and switch category. Adblock is not a bad thing. It will block the shit you don?t want but allow ads to stuff you might like to purchase. Perhaps adult ad suppliers should embrace Adblock and see if they can get their ads cleaned up enough to pass Adblocks filters.

:2 cents::2 cents:

These guys have been buying insane amounts of traffic for a long time. Anyone know who is behindhathem? Go into the actual members area, it is all shitty feed content and cheap 20 year old content.

Well, what can be done now? I advocated using differant tube strategies before and got shot down (like asking for "legit" vids to be taken down, to rotate uploads, to DMCA anything older than 30 days, and so on). As I've also said, trying to get a loosely based "Industry' to do anything AS an industry is like herding cats.

Bottom line: Please show me how I can get 20k visitors to my paysites with a single posting ANYWHERE other than a tube NOW, today, and I will do it. (And I'm not talking about buying traffic.)

thehun.net

The Hun is great and I do advertise with them (and post galleries) but even they don't send (me) 20k hits to my paysite.

Well, you're certainly not going to get it from a collective of affiliates if you are enabling "user" uploaded tubes with additional content.

* removes links to Peabody's sites *

Smart man. :thumbsup

thanks for info Sherlock :)

looks like 12clicks Ron

If Google wanted to shut down the tubes, they would just have to allow porn on Youtube. Just sayin'... :upsidedow

Pretty much all evil in this industry traces back to the Tribe of Levi, if you believe the Bible they were God's special pets from which the priestly class came.

Manwin and this tribesman in league together are making tens of millions of dollars, probably over 100 mil by now.

:thumbsup :2 cents:

i already know major free tube, bing videos
looks like tube, it is a tube.

haha. funny.

Manwin / Sheep / Ass Kissers?

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19745331&postcount=18

Enjoy - It fits all criteria...

The tube model will soon be gone... how do i know this? Because lately i started thinking about starting a tube and i always start something when the party is allready over:1orglaugh

:error :winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I work closely with my affiliates and often allow them to have full videos, like tubes do, or to give them custom edits, banners, etc. I have hundreds of affiliates and I try to treat them all according to the amount of sales they send. Wouldn't you?

So these tubes sites ARE my affiliates, as much as you are, but if I didn't provide the promo clips to tubes I highly doubt all the other affiliates put together would or could replace them. So pulling links, in the end, only hurts the affiliate.

Looky here, as a sponsor, you are more than welcome to bypass your own affiliate base and make sales for yourself in whatever manner suits you.

If you are going to enable "user" uploaded tubes that already thrive on the distribution of other sponsors' content without their permission, then I am not going to enable you.

Looks like I have to dump Serious-Cash as well for having their own channel on the Redtube.

Oh well.

I think you are short at least one zero on your numbers... :winkwink:

The numbers were for one single advertiser. Obviously, there are many such buyers.

The only one you'll hurt is yourself :upsidedow

they have many chargeback I think

Late sig spot reserved.

Only a dumbass would assume that this is my only source of income. There are lots of sponsors I can live without pushing. There are many that I don't even care to. I would have kept pushing one site of Peabody's in particular until he opened his piehole and let the cat out of the bag. Did I happen to mention you were a Dumbass with a capital D? I'm putting you back on Ignore now. Have a nice day, Dumbass.

:)

or maybe just block ad block users from your site. .. redirect them to cj sites so they get nothing.
It's not the surfers choice what they see on your site. . It's common knowledge to pau with time and annoying steps if you are not paying.

Well, if your point is I should not have tube sites as my affiliates I would say that realistically that's not going to happen AND if you can find me affiliates that could replace the numbers I do with tubes then I might consider it. As I've stated before, I try and treat affiliates as equals but when some take the stance that because my vids can be found on tubes they choose not to promote some PeabodyCash sites there's not much I can do to assuage them. Truth is, some of my sites will convert better than anything you're pushing now (I can say this for while I've not seen your specific numbers I've seen mine, from hundreds of affiliates, and conversion rates for some sites is circa 2003. Just sayin'). So, in the end, you ARE hurting yourself.

I see it this way:

1. if you could send me 10 sales a day but choose not to then you're out about $1,000 a week. Not a huge amount but 50k a year is some people's full-time salaries.
2. If all you could send me is 10 sales a month then you're (relatively) small time and therefore could really use the money.

So either way not promoting my shit is, um, less than optimal. :)

you are obviously waaaaaaay out of touch with the current porn market.
You are going to have to dump ALL your sponsors if having a channel on a tube site is a problem for you.


very well said mr p

Interesting info!

Who is this new troll?

Ok , I saw it :winkwink:

Then adblock users will just go to another site. There?s at least 10,000 more out there with the same content :) Just search Google or Bing

:thumbsup

That's pretty crazy.

This sums this thread up.

Let's try clarify things this time around so you get what my point really is so you don't have to justify what your point is.

You are involved with *user* uploaded tubes. I don't wish to be involved with anyone involved with them. Whatever motivation I had to push your sites is gone now that we have established your involvement. And for the record, I run a small potatoes operation. So, you probably won't even notice my non-involvement with you. Kapeesh so far? Good.

Just because I am small potatoes compared to others around here, this doesn't mean I could really use the money. I like money and I like making money, but first and foremost, this is a hobby for me. Therefore, I have the luxury of dropping sponsors that do things I do not wholeheartedly or even remotely agree with. Many others simply don't have that luxury because this has evolved into a 9 to 5 job for them, some of whom are convinced that pushing every available sponsor on as many domains as possible is in their best interest.

And when some Numbnut says that dropping a particular sponsor is my ( financial ) loss, the irony around here becomes thick enough to cut with a knife. Someone suggests that Everyone including Fabio and Manwing could be making greater financial gains if Fabio and Manwing did Y instead of X and people around here start behaving like howler monkeys with PMS.

I sincerely mean it when I say, Good luck with your 5 year plan, Peabody. And don't fret about my well being. I'm not hurting myself in the least.