If Manwin Went Away Tomorrow Nothing Changes
 

Let's paint a rosy future that many GFY-ers openly pray for, a world without Manwin!

It's 2 years from now: PornHub, YouPorn, Spankwire et al are all GONE. Not 'acquired' by another company but POOF! disappears. No more (Manwin) tubes. Let's even throw Brazzers and all their paysites into the mix - POOF! - gone, too. And all companies previously purchased or associated with Manwin (Playboy, Digital Playground, et al) are now owned by other companies or are 'independant' again.

Hallelujah. Let's all dance and rejoice.

But wait - my company's revenue has NOT gone up!! In fact, it's gone DOWN. I thought with Manwin gone everything would return to the good ol' pre-tube days of 2005 and I would be as rich as Zack, Shap and all the rest who sold out to Manwin! WTF???

Oh RIGHT - it may be 2 years later but other big non-Manwin tube sites are still around, and now with Manwin gone there's a vacuum with other companies scrambling to fill it Plus a major source of my paysite traffic is now gone, too.

But hope still exists! These new companies will make tubes to fill the Manwin vacuum, new mega-paysites will pop up to replace Brazzers et al, perhaps this would affect Google, SEO and SERPS,too. So, in the end, a non-Manwin future would look pretty much.....

....like it does right now. Play on.

:GFYBand

the only thing that changes is that Mike South is out of work ;)

Dirt bags always replace dirtbags. That doesn't mean you don't enjoy seeing the fuckers come to a well deserved death.

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Hmm i think i posted this already.Or i just wanted to post but forgot :D
But yes that is why is pointless to keep riding on manwin,as other tube companies probably even harder steal content.You could even make a parallel with occupy movement,which makes me wonder what those people actually wanted,did they wanted to take money from rich people and give it random poor people?It just not working that way.

Also what is interesting about manwin compared to other shady companies,they almost reply every time when is a thread about them,and dont remember did they ever requested to have thread closed compared to many other companies.

And yes i agree to this as well :upsidedow

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We all know that you work with them. Keep on kissing their ass. Go fuck yourself.

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Yes, and I work with every other legal tube site on the fucking Internet (or will soon), too. So thank you, I will be fucking myself long after you've gone out of business.

I know what you mean but my point is that the problem everyone keeps obsessing over ISN'T Manwin. Manwin has proven the business model, however anyone feels about it, so now others are "riinsing and repeating".

hear hear I agree 100%

Shit I'd have to come back and take over my old sites :)

One could only hope :)

Been awhile since we spoke. Hope you and your family are enjoying life my good man.

Peabody speaketh the truth.

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Things are great! Life is great! Kids are great! :thumbsup:thumbsup

That's the only downside to a Manwin-free future: Shap would have to work again for a little while then sell out to Mancom (or whoever replaced Manwin). LOL

I was here long before Manwin and I will still be here long after....

lol :thumbsup

The occupy wall street people wanted the cock suckers that crash the Americans economy to pay for what they did.

manwin is here for life

Well said!

if the anti-pirates got together and encouraged the search engines to get on board with them (google, yahoo, bing...) then they acted on fighting piracy by denying the pirates search engine listing services, that could hold the pirates back quite a bit.

by the way, i don't use torrents anymore, i still visit one regular tube for my relief, and i have hardly downloaded gigabytes of data from any pirating service daily like some of those out there do.

They cant have 'Went Away Tomorrow' cause went is past tense, and tomorrow is future tense...

Thats why the pubes always wind... :2 cents:

:1orglaugh hardly doesn't matter, you fucking pirate. :thumbsup

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You're right in that we wouldn't return to 2006. I doubt even if you could wave a magic wand at this point and shut down every tube and file locker that things would return to the way they were. Too much damage has been done. People (99%) expect porn to be free.

But it does have some value in justice and if you break up monopolies or near monopolies it tends to help others in the industry by creating increased competition.

If someone murders a family member throwing the person responsible in prison for life or having them put to death won't bring back your family member but still many people want to see justice regardless. Sure it's a pretty big leap going from murder to dealing in stolen content. This is just to make a point. Then again I bet there have been more than a few suicides in our industry related to content theft and the fallout from it. Thousands of people in our industry have been affected and I wouldn't rule it out.

If I had a dollar for each time someone said this about a company here I would have more money than Manwin. So many have come and gone.

Legal tubes, huh?

What a fucking idiot you are.

You are making peanuts while sponsoring the people who are destroying your business and making millions in the process:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19744374

Reduction of free porn WILL equal an increase in pay porn.

To think otherwise is moronic.

Honestly though at this stage of the game what choice does he really have but to try to work with the tubes? I hate to say it but if you are operating a paysite and you expect it to be around five years from now with that model, you're crazy. I think the game is to leverage the tubes to hold on for some months and maybe some years. They have the traffic now. It's mostly crap and you're flushing your future business down the drain but hell that is already happening anyway regardless of what you do. In every niche 10,000 full scenes are available. 12 sponsors from each niche are furiously uploading their full scenes to the tubes. Regardless of what you do people are being trained not to pay and this has been happening for going on a decade now.

It's like buying drinks for and kissing the ass of the guy that's fucking your wife. Cuckold businessmen with no self respect.

That's exactly it. But add to it that the guy is practically your employer now and is physically three times your size with two even bigger bodyguards all around him.

If you accept and realize much of what is being said here in this thread then, believe it or fuck off if you don't, but there's a way to make money via the tubes. You have to be smart in what you submit, be diligent about removing pirated content, and working hard on maximizing what traffic does hit your paysite, but sales are still possible. Comparing these current sales to sales I MAY HAVE made six years ago is complete foolishness.

L-Pink, Robbie and others who have been around since the "glory days" of Internet porn have the perspective of what they USED TO earn, pre-tubes. I have no such perspective, having started PeabodyCash in 2009. All I can do is adapt to the NOW, to what is current and realistic NOW, not what WAS 6-10 years ago. So, being anything but an idiot, I am "adapting" and I am not dying - yet. Will I? Fuck, everybody dies. I do not expect or want to be a pornographer 5 years from now. LOL

So hate away, but I know my own content and how to market it, and tubes are a good way to advertise my various brands. Type-ins alone are worth it! Literally (no bullshit now) hundreds of millions of people have seen some of my website's content over these past four years thanks to Tubes so YOU tell ME where a little nobody like me can get that kind of exposure? Nowhere, that's where.

I don't whine about the past, I deal with the NOW - and the future.

You are correct because the damage has already been done.

I don't think most people hate you. You come off as a pretty likeable guy.

I think you're missing something though. The same thing which us old timers are talking about is probably going to happen to you (if you stick around). It's not "things are 50 times harder in 2013 than 2003 for paysites but it's going to stabilize here" it's more "things are 50 times harder in 2013 than 2003 for paysites and it's going to keep getting worse and continue the trend". See the difference? It's going to get worse for the same reasons it got worse over the last few years. It should be expected. It's not being a negative Nancy it's just being real.

Well that pretty much explains it then. You don't have to worry about the future of your paysites. It's just a short term thing you are doing. Actually I think most of us are wanting to get out too and I don't blame you. There is nothing wrong with that. But it wasn't always like this. I guess it's like a lot of things. When the money is good people tend to stay more. :)

Believe me, I understand what you are saying and I actually am agreeing with it. LOL Also, I don't think people hate "me" per se, just this current position of realization I am touting.

But think about it this way - because before I even started down this paysite road I did more than a year's research, studying other paysites and companies - how many paysites can you name from even 5 years ago that are still thriving (updating and growing) today? How about 10 years? 15? Those that are still "active" fall into one of two categories, neither of which I am interested in becoming (or am): mega-paysites (Brazzers, BangBros, etc) or "niche"/solo girl sites, small mom-and-pop operations, often a couple creating content.

So not being an affiliate - where you could (theoretically) promote paysites for decades - I look at it from a program's POV. I also rarely create my own content but rather partner with current (or past) content producers. So given all that I devised a "Five Year Plan" to go from $0 to....wherever. LOL Is it possible my network will still be active and growing 5 years hence? Perhaps, but I am not planning on it. I have other life dreams and goals that need my attention and Adult was always just a stepping stone for a single person to go from poverty to wealth.

Can you give me your network and let me bill it on my merchant account. Squeeze every last nickel out of it and let me double your profit? Then you can sail away and do other things while still living like a King :)

My overall ratio from tubes is 1:252. One of the biggest ones is 1:183 - another is 1:605. I've also stopped uploading to the ones that didn't perform at all, which was only one. The only affiliate we have with a better ratio is FreeOnes.

But if you read GFY, content owners are getting a shitty deal and only making peanuts now & especially off of and because of those "evil tubes" - you also will hear this at shows I'm told, but I've always avoided those circles. My guess is that these people are either has beens, never weres, or just overall negative in general for whatever reason, but one thing is for certain - they've never seen the data and/or learned/knew how to properly act upon the data. As a smaller affiliate myself also, when I stopped doing quantity shit sites and focusing on quality brands, my ratios went up. The surfer has evolved and the smart ones in our industry have also evolved. Lower ratios are also easily explained by a MUCH larger audience than 10 years ago, but logic doesn't work with negative, reactionary types.


The only thing I wish for was a faster upload speed. :thumbsup

Me, too - on both the ratios from tubes and wanting a faster upload speed. I get 50mb DOWNload (big whoop) and 5mb UPload. Oh how I wish they were reversed. :)

If people write many GFY posts about Manwin, Nothing Changes

very true

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Then again five years of bros playing "human centipede" with Manwin hasn't exactly done much good for the industry either...

so-called freedoms of the internet get abused, people keep on taking without giving something back. there are people who are part of the internet population who download gig upon gig of pirated content, they just take and take then put up an argument about this is my right to take so many full movies, full version games, full albums, full porn movies, i just think those should be more aware.

i always think twice about debut musicians or bands who put out new music, who feel they have something to share with all of us, and just think wow they might really need the money.
but i suppose in a perfect world they now say, take our music, we neither want or need the money, tell all your friends, use your social networks, come to the concert, its all in the name of freedom. :helpme

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I think when Manwin is closed the rest will get the axe pretty quick. It will mean things have changed and manwin style of biz will not fly. Trade partners will prevail.

A question for the "businessmen" dealing with Manwin and other tubes...

If I set up a taco truck next to my restaurant and offer free samples...How many customers come into the restaurant? Bullshitters will tell you a lot of people come in but its bullshit. Especially when you weigh the cost of the free versus profit you made from 1 out of 10000 possible customers.

As Rob said the damage is done.

IN LA, we make lists of free taco offering trucks and hit them over and over again. 2 cents

You need to get realistic with your price points, most people are still charging $30 per month for a membership which is frankly a ripoff in this day and age!

This is 2013 people and we're still in a global depression/recession.

You just have to look at what companies like Netflix & Spotify are offering their customers.

Unlimited films & music

People in this industry need to be charging less for their product :2 cents:

I think most people in this industry are stuck in the past, they believe their product is worth a lot more than it is (or ever was worth for that matter) The golden days of someone coming along with a small investment i.e. starting a single model paysite like a Tiffany Teen and making $500,000 - $1,000,000 in a year are long gone. That was a once in a lifetime opportunity to make that type of cash with a small investment, yet paysite owners still have this mindset that they should be earning big bucks.

Most single model paysites are lucky to be earning $50,000 - $100,000 at best now (and even that's the better ones!)

This applies to every niche out there. Porn content is worth a fraction of what it used to be worth

Smart people adapt to the new reality but the majority would prefer to bitch and whine about something they have absolutely no control over i.e. the tubes

Have you thought about speaking to your tube partners and asking if you could send them the content to upload to your account?

Just a suggestion to free up time and money on your part :) I used to do that all the time with my host years ago instead of waiting days for gigs of content to upload.

Most tubes don't work like that. Some have mass upload options but still we have to do the uploading.

Plus, sending a hard drive to a tube full of content would not be good I think. LOL

Oh - and porn companies should charge MORE for their product, not less.
If you're going to be the last buggy whip salesman in town then you'd better sell gold buggy whips.

It's more of a future unreal condition :)