While Bieber and Swift roll in the dough
 

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More artists like Cat Power and Grizzly Bear go bankrupt. It's just sad. Your thoughts?

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Never heard of them.... (Cat and the other)

Adapt or die.



(someone was gonna say it)

fuck losers who cant cut it, i dont feel sorry for them

Never heard of her. She should have had a better marketing machine. Taylor Swift has the best I have ever seen, she is making $ every way she can.

It's funny... it seems that everybody and their Grandfather rips on Bieber... yet he keeps getting richer. Strange how this money comes from nowhere.

The fact of the matter is, you are getting older. You are losing your insight as to what the "kids" want. Rip him a new asshole. Call him a "no talented" cunt.

At the end of the day he is driving a Ferrari, and you are driving a Chevy. :2 cents:

Both of those bands/artists are pretty famous for independent musicians and Cat Power's been around for almost 20 years, but they're totally different animals than Taylor Swift. Swift's had the backing of a major label since her teens, makes easily digestible pop music, and has huge resources and $$$ from that label marketing her in every which way. A different experience from indie musicians entirely who don't have a massive well-funded PR machine in their corner.

In some ways a lot of these artists deal with some of the same issues we're facing - in both music & porn, piracy is the norm with formerly paying customers (and especially the newer generations) expecting quality content delivered to them for free.

Maybe they should consider becoming sellouts like the thousands of rich sellout artists who came before them.

Or have they already? I don't know, I'm asking because I too have never heard of either of them.

only a really small % of musicians makes money - has always been like that and will never change

Never heard of this person.

Being a success doesn't mean you are the best. It means you are good at what you do, and good at marketing - AND have the right people behind you. I believe Taylor Swift has loads of talent, Beiber not so much, but because that little dipshit has the right people and the right marketing behind him he's making bank.

The others... Have clearly failed at marketing. No one's ever heard of them.

indie musician = no money

Again - both bands are pretty well known, at least for folks who pay attention to non corporate-radio-Top-40 stuff.

Bieber & Swift are outliers - they've had millions of marketing dollars behind them since they were teenagers (and in Bieber's case even before that). They were manufactured into stars by the labels.

The point of the article (especially the other one it links to) is that these "high-level" independent bands are making waaaay less of a living than musicians with *equivalent* exposure/audience/touring did 10-20-30 years ago.

Dont know what pretty well known means when most here have no idea who they are.

Often this situation comes from over spending and no forward thought.

Sad.

bieber himself is inconsequential. you could replace him with any number of people who look 'cute' to young girls and can sing. the people making him the money are the marketers behind him. there are thousands of people more talented than him who will never do anything with it. if he did not get picked up by usher and given 'the next big thing' treatment, he'd be just another nobody uploading crap to youtube.

Lol, okay I give up. There's a conversation to be had here about how audiences/customers/surfers have changed what they're willing to pay for & what they expect for free, or about the new realities for content producers in any media.

The equivalent of Bieber & Taylor Swift would be if Microsoft or Apple decided to "sign" your porn site & turn it into the Next Big Thing with their budget & PR resources. You'd be a another corporate product for sure, but it'd also be almost impossible not to make assloads of $$$.

...but what about all those studies that say that piracy is actually INCREASING sales?! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh