The bigger issues with IRS and Tea Party scandle
 

Why is it one blatantly obvious fact has been left out of this whole scandal.

The Tea Party IS a political group and as such should not be allowed to file as a 501 tax exempt group which strictly forbids political groups.. They are not a charity, religious or any other legit group that should be allowed a 501 status.

They ARE ABUSING the system. Why is this not the focus?



The only scandal here is not that the Tea Party groups were being scrutinized, but that some are actually getting away with claiming 501 tax exempt status and taking donations from unknown sources which are funneled into political agendas. A direct violation of 501 tax exempt status.

The key reason they were scrutinized more is because there were far more Tea party groups doing this than progressive or liberal. Tea party was making lots of news then so you make a spectacle of your selves you put yourself on the radar.

The simple fact is the FBI had it right to scrutinize these groups. The only issue at bay is they aren't able to go after them all.

Actually, you have your facts wrong, but that won't fit your worldview or agenda, so I won't bother getting into it with you..... Carry on!




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Why don't you just tell him where is facts are wrong instead of being cheesy about it? Oh I guess because that would mess up your conspiracy theory about obama and superman and wonder woman.

see what I did there?

The FBI? The tea party? 501 c3??? Haha... Wow. You need therapy.

MOVEON.org gets one, so yes, the IRS was out of line going after just the conservative side

I miss typed FBI for IRS...

It all had nothing to do with 501c3 exemptions. I know that and I never watch the news.

The only agenda at work is yours because you fail to see the truth and you bitch about the govt abusing it's powers while green lighting this kind of stuff because you agree with them.

The simple fact is these Tea Party groups were trying to claim 501 c tax exempt status by calling themselves "social welfare organizations". They are not anything close to being social welfare groups. You know it just as I do.

They are abusing the system.. it's simple as that.

Their primary role has to be focused on social welfare, not political activity. Please show me the social welfare these guys did.

MoveOn.org formed in 1998 to oppose the impeachment of President Bill Clinton; it circulated an online petition "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation." It was co-founded by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, a married couple from California. Blades, who later also founded the group Moms Rising, writes a blog for the liberal Huffington Post. Boyd sits on the board of directors for Progressive States Network, a liberal advocacy group on issues including health care, immigration and energy.

MoveOn.org has grown into a major political force ? both at the grassroots and national level. It was a 527 committee that took unlimited contributions from major Democratic donors. During the 2004 presidential campaign, MoveOn.org was the seventh-largest 527 committee and spent $21 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Initial donors included billionaire George Soros, a major donor to liberal causes, who spent millions in 2004 trying unsuccessfully to defeat President Bush.

MoveOn.org closed its 527 committee in 2008. It now operates a federal political action committee, which must disclose its donors and cannot accept more than $5,000 from any single source. MoveOn.org PAC raised and spent $38 million in 2008. It had spent $21 million during the 2010 campaign cycle, as of August. The PAC funds Internet and TV ads, raises money for liberal candidates and causes, and finances grassroots campaigns.

The group also created a 501(c)(4) called MoveOn.org Civic Action in 2001 for its advocacy work, including online petitions and e-mail campaigns. In fiscal year 2007, the most recent available, MoveOn.org Civic Action reported spending nearly $700,000.

Every.insane dictator has thought just as you do. Only you are right. Only you have the right answers. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are the problem. Tens of millions of people have been butchered over the last century alone by people who share your problem with tunnel vision and an inability to understand anything outside of your distorted perception of events around you.

No it was 501 c4. I typed 3 because I was thinking of the church & charities..

The fact remains the same because they are still abusing the system and they are not social welfare groups.

Correct. Thank you for admitting that almost every key point in your rant was wrong.

So take their tax exempt status away as well, along with all the churches that tell people how to vote. The point I'm making is the IRS had it right, the scandal is these groups are getting away with it not that any one of them were targeted.

I only focused on the wrong sub section with the quotes.. the fact is they are abusing the 501 tax exempt status which is the primary focus I was making.

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There is an excellent discussion going on at http://democracynow.org which should clear up all the errors.

More troubling is the AP phone records deal.

I couldn't agree with you more, I've said it here before on GFY, and it's not just the Tea Party - It's all of the Republican party and the Democrats also. And the fucking NRA. They use these non profit groups to push money around to political candidates... Maybe they don't give the money directly to the political candidates or even their campaigns, but instead they open up a non profit to produce and buy TV spots or fliers or ads or whatever, all quietly done under the table...

"Hey Mister Congressman, we want you to help us pass a law for our industry. Now, we can't just hand you $200k for your efforts, but you can open up a non profit and we can donate money to help fund your war chest and no one will have to know about it..."

Fuck that shit.

So this non profit spends all of it's money... Funding ads for political candidates....

I just read http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicg81.pdf

And according to the IRS, they have the right to go 501(c)(4)

IRC 501(c)(4) provides, in part, for the exemption from federal income
taxation of civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated
exclusively for the promotion of social welfare.1
Section 1.501(c)(4)-1(a)(2)(i) of
the Income Tax Regulations states that an organization will be considered to be
operated exclusively for social welfare purposes if it is primarily engaged in
promoting in some way the common good and general welfare of the people of the
community, i.e. primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and
social improvements

So they are operating within the rules as such. change the law , fine, but don't let the government target just one party

sorta just like you do, you mean?

I don't mind the AP phone records and here's why: the AP is trying to set social policy and change laws, which is not the job or the 'press' the press is supposed to 'report' the news. do basically the DOJ is investigating a subversive political organization....

I'm more disturbed by the administration leaving embassy personal unaided and allowed to be tortured and killed... that is VERY disturbing... because the Islamic fundamentalist would be offended if the UAS protected it's self and it's citizens..... think about that one for a bit..

While i consider getting the AP phone records not all that important like you, I think letting low level IRS agents attack the Tea Party a form of voter suppression.

The shit about Bengazi makes me sick, the ball was dropped on that one.

Which has become more troubling

Congressman: DOJ Seized House Press Gallery Phone Records *UPDATED*
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2...ne-Records-Too

Yes, there was a huge flood of teabagger groups (NOT known for promoting the general welfare) applying for tax-free status in the wake of Citizen's United. It's entirely reasonable to suggest the IRS was just trying to do their job; preventing fraud.

The thing I find funny is you and old Vend dont have a word to say about the only one that was revoked was a prograssive one. Carry on.
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/when...eted_liberals/
Under George W. Bush, it went after the NAACP, Greenpeace and even a liberal church

All the embassy attacks during Bush over 68 died if I remembered right. Guess those lives were ok because it was Bush.

That's it. They are promoting social welfare. Feeding the kids, housing for the homeless, college educations for high school grads, and television ads for their favorite candidate.

All of them are guilty, no matter what party.

when the press decides to be political activist they must pay the price... right?

I think you are confused about the attacks Toney... as nice as it is to blame the devil incarnate 'republicans' please research the facts then let me know if it's cool with you that Obama refused to send help to the embassy and ignored the situation with hillery now says ... forget about it, doesn't even matter... that is the BIGGEST deal going right now for sure...

Hillery?

You've never seen her name in print? Whens the last time you've actually read a news article?

the answer is actually pretty simple: yeah, there were x-number of embassy attacks under Bush and they did not require investigations. For that matter there were all of these attacks on embassies and American interests under President Clinton, and they didn?t require investigations, either.
Why not? Well, because under Bush the embassy attacks were taking place mostly in Iraq, and during a time of acknowledged war ? right in the thick of it, in fact ? and no one tried to argue that they were anything but planned and executed attacks.
And during the Clinton years, the attacks ? which took place an average of every 18 months ? were recognized as planned, organized attacks and no one tried to argue that they were anything different, either.
And while our embassies were attacked under these presidents, and others, none of our Ambassadors were murdered (along with Navy Seals) while multiple stand-down orders were given against mounting a rescue.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanch...-investigated/

it seems your idea of what social welfare is and what the IRS deems it to be are two different things, but then you are just trying to steer the debate away from the fact that the Conservative fund raisers were targeted and not the Liberal fund raisers, which is the REAL problem

That's because of the way the Tea Party is structured, most of the groups are independent, no clear leaders. I think that's brilliant.

If they were just one group of Tea Party members, your statement would be null and void.

As far as doing their job, they admitted targeting them, end of story

NAACP likes Bush
http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/naa...-act-into--law

Greenpeace has a major problem with Obama
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/new...hales-promise/

Liberal Church?
The IRS investigation was triggered by an antiwar sermon delivered by its former rector, the Rev. George F. Regas, at the church two days before the 2004 presidential election.
Not exactly a major thing

Freedom of the press is a constitutional right, but too much pandering to the left and the right are used to influence the masses and for that, I don't feel any sorrow for the AP.

I think they went too far in going after the records, but hey it was Obama that promised to repeal the Patriot Act and has renewed it how many times? He wants the power it brings to his office

Funny that everyone is claiming they needed extra scrutiny because...... how about the simple fact that they are not required to file for 501c4 status at all and its purely voluntary to begin with?

OOOPS! that just doesn't fit your narrative at all.

No they are not operating with-in the law. The law clearly says their "PRIMARY" focus must be social welfare. The primary focus is not supposed to be political.

Karl Rove's 501 group spent 98% of the money they had in the last election of political adds and so forth. It was actually less than 2% spent on social welfare.

This is straight up against what the law says. They are clearly abusing the system.

Substitute Karl Rove with AFL-CIO and you can say the exact thing.

Anothe brain fart from Sperby, did world stop for you after Bush? America moved forward and GOP and republican believers stayed behind. Waaay behind.....:helpme

How is life on unemployment? Too much time on your hands again?

The fact remains that you do not know what you are talking about. :2 cents:

Because all of you could turn on the news (even MSNBC!!!) and see what is happening for yourselves instead of crockett making ignorant statements.

The thought that ANY of you are cheerleading the IRS in the first place is revolting.

But secondly...what the IRS has done has gotten condemnation from every Democratic Senator and Congressman as well as from Pres. Obama. ALSO...all the liberal pundits on MSNBC even!

And yet, here are the low information GFY "liberals" wanting the IRS to harass people. Unbelievable.

That's not even true...you've been watching too much Bill O Reilly, who by the way doesn't check facts. Nor does anyone on Fox News. Or maybe they do check facts but decide to "leave out" a few things here and there to suit their twisted, bigoted, backwards-ass world view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...matic_missions

And democrats didn't even make half the effort (or any) to politicize attacks under Bush. But conservatives today are so bloodthirsty for Obama's head that they'll jump on anything they can get. Impeachment discussions will be next.

I really hope these shitstains overreach just enough to ensure they don't win the next election. Their main job for the next 3 years is going to be trying to persecute the president when they could be moving our country forward. It's frustrating and I wish someone would shake these fuckers and tell them to stop this shit and do their fucking jobs.

The fact that remains you are a hypocrite because you are always quick to ignore anything wrong your team does, while quick to condemn the other side. You are what is wrong with the Republican party and you are the reason it has failed.

You don't care about this country only what is good for you. That is pretty much the motto of the GOP.

So pull their tax status too. Anyone that is abusing this should be denied tax exempt status. It doesn't matter what team they play on.. it matters what they are doing.

The only outrageous thing about this entire scandal is the fact the IRS was actually doing it's job. The fact these orgs should not even be able to have tax exempt status being ignored is ludicrous.

The reason the Tea party is at focus is because they are publicly crying out loud when they got caught abusing the system. The truly absurd thing about it, the fact they shouldn't be able to claim tax exempt status in the first place, which is not being focused on, but rather allowing this to become a political football.

If you actually cared about this county you would care that both sides are abusing the system and that both should be stopped.

My thoughts.
What IRS did were out of line there is as many groups on boths sides that are seeking tax exceptions and they targetted one side. My guess is that it were a couple of mid level guys thinking this up over a wet lunch.

AP WAY out of line if they needed information in the holy name of national security they could have contacted AP and if it really were a matter of national security or an iminent threat I am sure AP would at least have partially cooporated.

Benghazi only Faux News cares about this you can only beat a horse to death once but they are still going because until this week it were the only big issue they had, now they have a little more ammunition.

The US is so polarized its either right or wrong, left or right, yes or no, the best thing that could happen is a 3rd party someone who will work with both sides to keep the extremist ON BOTH SIDES out.

Oh and if above didn't make it clear I am waaaaaaaay to the left ;)

Sorry but I have a right to have an opinion because US politics affects the whole world that is something the US took upon themselves and effects my life so I can comment.

Do you even have any idea of what happened?

Do you not realize that the IRS targeted specific groups...and THEN passed on their information to liberal "media" groups (completely illegal).

Don't you understand that one day there will be another Republican president and if this is "okay" now....it will be "okay" then too?

Don't you understand WHY Pres. Obama fired the head of the IRS a couple of days ago?

And you think it's because the IRS was "actually doing it's job"

You need to understand what happened before continuing to comment.

And I'd like to know...since when did the American people suddenly start loving the IRS and the tax man?
Strange times we are living in...so-called "Liberals" calling for MORE govt. intrusion into their lives, more govt. control of their lives, and more taxes.

You guys certainly aren't what I grew up as liberal being.
We were anti-war, pro-freedom, pro-drug legalization, pro-choice, anti-govt.

Watch some old youtube videos of young people in the 1960's and 1970's protesting against the govt.
Maybe it will inspire some of you neo-liberals to understand.

They were protesting the War where they were being drafted to die.

I've never said I was a liberal.. That is the catch all attempt the right wing uses as an attempt to belittle or degrade people whom don't share their same views. It would be the same as me calling every right winger a neo conservative.

I have liberal views on some subjects and I have conservative views on some subjects. I consider my self an American, not a liberal or conservative.

I just find my self more at odds with the right wing in this country because they are more worried about trying to make the other side look bad vs actually trying to fix problems or make the govt work. They would rather destroy this country than have the other side do well.

Both sides are shit, it's just the right smells much worse, than the left.

The right will destroy this country if they are left to do it. The Bush and Cheney tag team came very close to doing just that. The Left, while no where near perfect at least can be contained.

As far as the IRS chief, he's just the guy in charge. so if heads roll his is likely he first.. I don't think however this was any vast conspiracy as the right is trying to portray it.

I think the FBI agents added 1+1 and came up with 2. If your job is to audit all these new groups likely knowing most are political in origin, then the ones that scream out first are obviously going to make a bigger target.

Tea Party was a well known political group by that time, so it's very easy to see why groups with that name were chosen to be scrutinized.

edit.. I did it again.. called them FBI.. obviously I mean IRS.. lol