...A Little Overboard, eh?
 

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...stons-lockdown

do you live in boston? where you there?

I could be in the fucking north pole and I would give two fucks less. That was overboard, on the count of 2 idiots with oversized pipe bombs. Period, the end, fin.

And you can bet your ass that this is just the beginning, imho... :2 cents:

Did we use the military? I thought it was just police.

then why post about it? oh i know why, you're a fucking joke that thinks you know better from across the internet

fuck off.

I like you dyna mo, but your being fucking retarded. Here, I have amassed a series of liberty quotes for you :thumbsup http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/liberty.html

go ahead dick fucking tracy, tell the world how you would have handled it. 2 dickheads squirm into crowds of women and children to drop bombs to kill them, shoot a cop in the face, get in a gunfight with bombs.

go on chief brainiac. call in the response orders.

If, as an American, you are not pissed off about the massive mindfuck of having a city on lockdown and 10,000 cops. Your a fucking imbecile, who knows

a) nothing about history
b) hates the principles of our forefathers
c) spits on the graves of the 2.5 million soldiers that have died for your-my liberties
d) does not "get" the fact that the patriot act, homeland security, TSA is slowly, but surely eroding our liberties.

...AND your cool with this?!? I thought you, for one, would be a little more patriotic and more along the lines of the constitutional values this country was built on...

We still live in ancient times

Statism is the new religion

liberal quotes would not have stopped those 2 "idiots" as you call them.

And while I like you; why don't you enlighten us on how YOU would have handled things.

Sooo, because channel six news said they did it that makes them guilty?

um, you're a child if your only thought process made this conclusion. but you are the one starting the thread thinking you know how to handle a situation like this.


i see you dodged my points, you have no idea what the fuck you would have done in this situation except point to pie in the sky quotes.


call in the response. you've got an entire city of people you are responsible for protecting and serving with at least 2 complete lunatics on the loose dropping bombs.

you can't call in liberal quotes from a message board.

How I would have Handled things?

Fine, put me on the spot, here I go: They had 15-20 drones with IR/IFR capability cruising the city, well Boston metro with rotating patterns every 40 minutes, another words, sectors.

I would have coordinated these drones with the over 4000 cameras all over Boston to hunt these faggots down and arrest them. They already knew what they looked like, etc. From what I understand, the cop that got shot, had confronted these guys, and they were in a "hot zone" already when the firefight broke out between them and the police. "Hotzone", being where the police and FBI though was the highest probability that these idiots were.

Imho, there was no need to canvass and use the 4th anmendment temp powers for warrantless searches in an emergency. I do agree they did the right thing by waiting them out, but according to NPR as well as eyewitness accounts, these 15000 residents that had the knock once, loudspeaker warning and then bust the door down approach, was approx 3-10 miles away from where the suspects were actually caught as well as staying, seemed well, just a little bit overboard...

I was really hoping that all of these tac teams didn't end up shooting someone's dog.

those guys did their fucking jobs and did not kill anybody.

i mean, fuck, do i really have to spell that out to people?


by all means when they fuck up and do shit to citizens we need to prosecute that, but that did not happen here.

of course there will be lessons learned, but seriously people, these guys did their jobs here and that's that.

Dyna, I am NOT arguing that fact at all. On the same page, totally with that. It is just the response. And the fact that if they were, in fact, Chechin "terrorists", as the news is stating, why in the world did the FBI give them a pass to go back and forth from here to there and back again. Esp since, apparently Al Qaeda, has bases there... I love this country, I love what this country is built on, but I hate the direction this country is going. And it is an unstoppable direction, imho.

I don't know which is worse, the fact that there were that many people looking for him and they shut the entire city down, or the fact that over 10k police, drones, helicopters, CCTV, and all their technology couldn't find him, yet some regular Joe did when he went out to have a smoke.

If you think back to the "Beltway Sniper" who killed 10 people back in 2002 and how the police reacted to that vs these two guys who killed 3 people, I also think Boston went overboard. Without saying it, Boston was more or less under a light Martial Law. And they still couldn't find him. Why didn't they react in the same manner towards the sniper who killed more people and continued to do so until he was finally caught? Or any threat for that matter, like the guy who had a bomb in the van in Time Square not too long ago.

They even gave it a cute name, "Shelter-In-Place."

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DWB, Preach!! :2 cents::thumbsup:2 cents::thumbsup

sorry, had to get breakfast handled, i will read your reply.

ok, got it. not going to judge, i have no idea. i am glad you thought it through, i wasn't sure. too many people jump the gun without trying to see it like you did.

also, i think your idea would probably be the way things go, right? obviously we will see more drones as a result of this. do you think a plan like your's could have been implemented a few days ago?

here's the thing about the response that at this time makes me give the benefit of the doubt until further details are revealed-

when the authorities called in the resources that amounted to 10,000 cops, etc, they did not know to what extent the group of bombers was. it's not unfair to allow them to see a possible scenario involving more than the original 2. now we more than likely know it was just those 2, but in the early morning hours of friday, they did not even know that.

beltway sniper murdered 10 peeps+ over 3+ weeks. east coast gripped with fear and apprehension for weeks. that's better? that's not better. everybody suspicious of everybody. that's bot better. you must not remember the insane media coverage of every single shooting? still could not find him. that's not better.

Idk, they had launched them from a local AFB, from what I understand. I agree we will see alot more drones for "security" purposes. Also, apologies for the name calling, I had just woken up, saw that on my feed and was pissed, so no hard feelings, was not personal man. :2 cents:

thank you for this, you just proved that our system is not set-up to get us, the citizens. that's why it was so difficult, or why you think it was. because the fact is they found those guys in what 48 hours and the shit was done and over in 72 hours, approximately.

it just shows that it's not set-up to weed out homegrown terrorists, i.e.citizens.

thanks for clearing that up!:thumbsup

i appreciate that, i apologize as well for going full gfy. we're on the same page.

there are a number of people who would sooner see the guy get away and possibly do something similar again than stomp on civil liberties.

I just can't think of any incident where the shut an entire city down and put 10,000 police on the ground looking for someone who killed only 3 people.

To put it into perspective, we only had 60,000 soldiers fighting a war in Afghanistan. The first wave was 20,000 troops to go to war. Then 17,000 more. Then 4000, then 20,000 more. For war.

Yet, they have over 10,000 police for 2 guys who killed 3 people in Boston? That just doesn't make sense to me at all. A few hundred, OK. But thousands of them along with drones and helicopters in the sky, going door to door without warrants? Overkill.

How they responded is the type of response I would expect if they would have found Bin Laden hanging out at MIT, who by the way was the #1 terrorist in the world and had his compound raided by a team of only "79 commandos and a dog." The commandos being SEALS of course, but did you not see the SEALS at the event working for Craft International? Huge group of them there during the race. Did they all go home and miss the manhunt? 79 SEALS to go after Osama but 10,000+ police (and maybe a lot of ex-SEALS) to go after 2 students?

I dunno, just seems like they went overboard on this one. But I guess this is the new America and how they will respond from now on.

My statement doesn't prove anything in either direction, other than all those police couldn't catch a single guy. The system was set up to financially enslave you, not get you. However, you do not need to be a genius to see the future police state that is slowly being created in the USA. From where I'm sitting, you all look like a bunch of frogs slowly being boiled. Fast forward 20 - 30 years and see where you're at. It's not going to be pretty.

people were screaming police state in the 1960s, saying in 10 years, well,, here it is 50 years later and well, just wait another 30 years....

i'm not saying you are wrong, but historically those claiming "police state coming" have been wrong.

also, 48 square miles, dwb. 7.9 million people. think about how the bomber bros revealed themselves and look at how that unfolded on the map. they shot the mit guard then were spotted across town in 2 separate cars by the watertown pd, who engaged in the gun battle. they popped up, murdered a cop, then popped up across town in a shooting spree.

also, i don't think anyone picked up the phone and called in 10,000 reenforcements, more likely, several calls were placed from multiple agencies asking for backup and everybody sent everything, ending up with 10,0000.

i think if it were actually organized, and a call went out, it would not have transpired as it did. it simply unfolded as a new situation is prone to do, which makes it all the more remarkable nobody was killed by authorities.

does anybody have a link to an article discussing the 10,000 authorities being called in?

i can't find anything confirming that.

Well, it's not really wrong as every step taken gets you close to it. People have always protested and screamed because they knew the baby steps that were being taken that eventually lead to a police state. There isn't a police state NOW, but like 50 years ago, and today, every step close is another step closer. We'll probably both see it in our lifetime, as I believe we're about the same age (early 40s). If not, our children will see it for sure. All it really will take is a few more large attacks and it's a wrap, for your safety of course.

Perhaps. I'm just basing my comments on past events, which in no way even came close to such a response. 10,000 is a huge number, as in war time troops surge number. Just seems a wee bit much for these two jack asses.

Christopher Dorner, the LA policeman gone rogue, killed three people and his manhunt was said to be the largest manhunt in recent US history. I think he had a little over 200 police after him. They were combing a few cities in California, briefly Tijuana, Mexico, and eventually the mountains in Big Bear. THAT is covering some ground with only a fraction of the amount of police used in Boston.

I had to look this up, but Regan only sent 7000 troops when we invaded Grenada.

update

FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to brothers

Oh wow.

It amazes me they release info like that. Hey, we know about you know and we're coming to get you guys. Be ready for us. Please don't do anything stupid.

i'm also going to need some more proofs 10,000 law enforcement were called out and on scene. i can't corroborate that with any sources. it's been mentioned a couple times in a news reports but that's easily attributed to bullshit.

it's breaking news. more will be revealed, you know how the news cycle works.

I find it hard to believe they specially trained. They had no money and had to steal a car. They knew cameras would be everywhere and didn't prepare for that at all.

how specially trained is a drug mule? how wealthy is a drug mule?

it's conceivable these guys were low level stoolies.

I agree. This was WAY overboard.

Crazy people have done crazy shit throughout history and always will. But these days it's a giant overboard reaction to everything.

To ME...and maybe only to me, it's starting to really feel like a police state. As I said in another thread: I see soccer moms get pulled over for doing 40 in a 30 mph zone and there will be three cop cars used to give her a damn ticket while the kids in the van are scared shitless as the cops surround the vehicle.

I think the govt. is starting to get REAL nervous.

For instance, yesterday my brother-in-law called from Germany where he is stationed (you know, in case The Soviet Union attacks us in 1959)...he told me he's about to go back to Afghanistan for another tour of duty (you know, the country we invaded and occupy).
After that he's coming back to the states and will be stationed in Colorado.

Then it hit me...why the fuck do we have "forts" in every fucking state of the union??? And why do we have an Air Force base her in Las Vegas? (Nellis Air Force Base)
Is the Nellis Air Force Base just in case we get invaded by California or Arizona???
And what is the fort in Colorado for???

I would bet anything that the U.S. Govt. always has a "Plan B" if the shit hits the fan to "control" the citizens.

There's absolutely no reason for ANY air force base to be anywhere except on the coastline states. Right? We would only be using the air force against foreign countries right? So to save money and time they should be located close to where they are going to be used.
Right?

You're right; we should have given them 3 weeks to a month to solve this.

FYI: They did not just kill 3 people.

The media kept saying it, so it must be true.

Beltway snipers were all over two states and the District of Columbia. Not sure how that is comparable.

Where do you think they should put air force bases and other military installations?

I love how DWB moved to a country where just about everything is illegal including his profession. You can buy your way out of an arrest, even if someone died. He has to use a VPN to hide his Internet tracks.

But the US is oh so horrible.

i'm going back through these photos and comments by those who took those photos. i can't wait to learn more of the factual details as the real story comes out but this photo is telling


here are some i c&p'ed to represent the total

http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3...resize=1&w=490

so a few things are coming to light:

the governor called for the shelter in place order very early friday morning, that was not a call for 10,000 armed forces.

the door-to-door stuff happened primarily focused near where the shootout took place- watertown, not the entire city of boston.

the people of watertown, based on the looks on their faces cheering the authorities as the left, and by most all the comments left on that page in the op, where scared out of their gourds and very grateful for the authorities in their community and how they handled it.

the entire story will be revealed.

also, this governor's decision to shut the city down is unprecedented.

oh, i'm going otr right now. the # of authorities called in on this was 2200. when it's all said & done, that will be the #.

I'm pretty sure that I was kinda clear about that in my post wasn't I?

There is no reason for a military air force base to be in Las Vegas. Or in any landlocked or non-border area.

The air force bases should be on the coast and/or border areas.

There is also no reason for a military "Fort" to be in the middle of the United States. What is it's purpose? Pretty sure that there aren't any more rogue Indian tribes out there anymore.
And if you have men and equipment in a fort in Colorado...it just takes more time and money to transport everything when and if you are going to war.

Shouldn't that be on the coast somewhere...or a border state? Unless it's there precisely for a "just in case we have to use it against our own citizens" reason?

I'm not claiming that is the case...just pointing out that to me it doesn't make sense. And with our govt.'s history I wouldn't put anything past them.

Just look at what they did in the "Tuskegee Experiment" for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskege...lis_experiment

Or what they did at Ruby Ridge and Waco and God only knows how many other things they've pulled without our knowledge (For instance the CIA selling cocaine in the 1980's to fund illegal military actions in Nicaragua).

Nope...I have a good healthy dose of distrust for power hungry politicians. Just my personal opinion, nothing more.

i don't want the military taking any more super sweet coastland in cali! it's a desert in nv

it doesn't make sense to you that they would spread forces and equipment out so one area is not more vulnerable than another?

Why is this manhunt any different than any other? Besides, the police didn't even find him, a civilian did. The guy was injured anyway, it was only a matter of time before he died from his wounds. He's in critical condition now. So the hunt ramps up again for 12 others from a "sleeper cell" these guys may have been in contact with. Think they will hunt them with the same force? I doubt it. It will be a small group hunting them, just like every other manhunt has been in the past.

I'm glad they did get him eventually, however, my entire point was that it was complete overkill to respond in the manner they did. Did they really need to go inside people's homes without warrants? Couldn't they have just asked the home owners if anyone was inside or not? It is this sort of thing that makes me shake my head in shame, as this sort of activity is OK, accepted, and defended now. Safety over privacy and person rights. Boggles the mind.

What's the final death toll? However many it is, it did not call for that response.

The Christopher Dorner manhunt was in 2 countries, the State of California, and in the mountains of Big Bear. They did it with 200 officers.

Spoken like an American who's never left his own country. :2 cents:

Yes, porn is illegal in Thailand. So what? It's technically not allowed in 48 of the States in the USA either, and it's illegal to work without condoms in LA.

I don't use a VPN to "cover my tracks." I use a VPN because Thailand blocks porn sites, including all of the ones we use for promotion.

And yes, you can buy your way out of some problems. What's wrong with that? Would you rather everyone be drained in the legal system where you will only come out OK if you have a lot of money and hire the best lawyers like in the USA, where you're guilty until proven innocent and they try to tie you up in court to drain your finances? No thanks. I'll take our version of corruption over yours any day of the week. At least here you get a chance.

You said it, not me.

But anyone with a pair of eyes can see it's degrading, and you don't need me to tell you that. There is a reason Americans are renouncing their citizenship or just moving abroad in record numbers.

Everything is illegal? Really? :1orglaugh You're misinformed, but I'm glad you love that I moved. I love it too. You can't even imagine how awesome it is here, or in many other countries. Not to mention, we don't have to pay taxes anymore. So :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh. Don't be mad.