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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635
    #1

    Microsoft Obsolete by 2017

    "The only constant is change"....

    Not so long ago Microsoft (MSFT) was the undisputed king of technology, controlling about 90% of the market for operating systems. But as demand moved from desktops to laptops and then to tablets and smartphones, Microsoft lost its market reign to Google (GOOG) and Apple (AAPL).

    A report released today by Gartner, the technology research and advisory firm, forecasts that by 2017 shipments of devices using Google?s Android operating system will dwarf shipments of Windows PCs and phones. Shipments of Apple iPhones and iPads will be almost at parity with devices powered by Microsoft.

    ?Microsoft could be completely irrelevant in three or four years if they can?t make headway in the smartphone or tablet market, where they?ve been struggling,? says The Daily Ticker's Henry Blodget.
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    Enough Said.

    "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"
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    • Manfap
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2013
      • 2626
      #2
      Very late getting into gaming.. but xbox is massive. They´ll get it right with a product again soon.

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        • purecane
          Annakin Skywalker
          • Jan 2013
          • 1324
          #3
          Originally posted by Manfap
          Very late getting into gaming.. but xbox is massive. They´ll get it right with a product again soon.
          I agree...they have the capitol to hire the best and brightest.
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            • ilnjscb
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2009
              • 8957
              #4
              3.2.1 til someone comes in and says "but dude, they OWN the business market"

              No one has forgotten how heavy handed they were with business in the 90s and early 2000. Right now they are thanking the gods that goog and aapl are fighting.

              Remember when MS has the biggest pile of cash?

              now:

              Four months in: Windows 8 adoption is almost at a standstill

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                • wehateporn
                  Promoting Debate on GFY
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 27176
                  #5
                  Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.

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                    • Supz
                      Arthur Flegenheimer
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 11057
                      #6
                      This might be possible for home users. Microsoft owns the desktop in the corporate world. Active Directory / Exchange isn't really going anywhere. No one else offers user control / group policy etc. Even corporations who use google mail still connect it to there active directory server.

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                        • tony286
                          lurker
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 57021
                          #7
                          You can say what you want but they do own the business market. Unless you go into a graphics firm or video production house. Its all windows. Whats going to happen is windows 9 will fix all the mistakes they made.
                          I think phones and tablets will replace pcs in homes for the casual surfer. Going to my parents house all the time to fix computer issues from the printer doesnt work to tons of malware and viruses. For people like them who check email and read an article or two. The ipad with a keyboard would be perfect. Or my cousin all he uses now is his phone.

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                            • Webmaster Advertising
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 1360
                              #8
                              Originally posted by wehateporn
                              Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.
                              He needs to hurry the fuck up and get it done, he could kill millions with all his money

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                                • wehateporn
                                  Promoting Debate on GFY
                                  • Apr 2007
                                  • 27176
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Webmaster Advertising
                                  He needs to hurry the fuck up and get it done, he could kill millions with all his money

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                                    • 96ukssob
                                      So Fucking Banananananas
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 12991
                                      #10
                                      M$ needs to get on the ball with things. They have been slacking in the evolving space of mobile and tablet for sometime now.

                                      They need to suck it up and put the big swinging dick of Nokia in their mouth and join forces in the mobile tablet space. Neither one of these two giants do shit right now but have the potential to do so.

                                      M$ could crush Google and Apple if they out their minds to it, but instead of evolving they are trying to compete in a space where they are destined to lose!
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                                        • Grapesoda
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 46234
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                          "The only constant is change"....



                                          FULL STORY
                                          you don't think the gov will break goggle apart by that point?

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                                            • Kephael
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2013
                                              • 15
                                              #12
                                              The only mainstream product from Microsoft that is really any good is their office suite. But since the economy sucks the only people who are buying it are those who need it for work and students. Does anyone here use Server 2012 or any of their other overpriced enterprise products? It seems open source alternatives in those spaces are much better, I'd pay for CentOS/RHEL before I ever bought Windows Server. I've seen some large corporations use products like Lync but that's most likely because they want support and don't know about alternatives like Jabber.

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                                                • sandman!
                                                  Icq: 14420613
                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                  • 15427
                                                  #13
                                                  almost every small 5-30 employe company i know of here locally has a windows server and half of them have exchange also.




                                                  Originally posted by Kephael
                                                  The only mainstream product from Microsoft that is really any good is their office suite. But since the economy sucks the only people who are buying it are those who need it for work and students. Does anyone here use Server 2012 or any of their other overpriced enterprise products? It seems open source alternatives in those spaces are much better, I'd pay for CentOS/RHEL before I ever bought Windows Server. I've seen some large corporations use products like Lync but that's most likely because they want support and don't know about alternatives like Jabber.
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                                                    • Fetish Gimp
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 1699
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                      Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.
                                                      Considering he hasn't run Microsoft since 2008 he had to find some way to fill up his day.
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                                                        • geedub
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                          • 3489
                                                          #15
                                                          There is a lot more to Microsoft than xbox and Windows... They are doing just fine.
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                                                            • Supz
                                                              Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                              • 11057
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Kephael
                                                              The only mainstream product from Microsoft that is really any good is their office suite. But since the economy sucks the only people who are buying it are those who need it for work and students. Does anyone here use Server 2012 or any of their other overpriced enterprise products? It seems open source alternatives in those spaces are much better, I'd pay for CentOS/RHEL before I ever bought Windows Server. I've seen some large corporations use products like Lync but that's most likely because they want support and don't know about alternatives like Jabber.
                                                              I am sure the bigger companies do. People do not really use Windows Server to run websites. They do it because they have it for other things. But almost every corporation in American has plenty of Windows Server licenses. How do you think they manage there user accounts? How do you think they run accounting applications? How do you think CRM's are run? All on Windows Server machines. As I said. I am sure some of the larger companies in adult have in-house windows servers running these kind of applications. But in corporate america, this is all that is used. Unix only exists for trading platforms and high-latency stuff. But most business applications run off of windows. They sell plenty. I probably sold 500+ windows server licenses myself last year. There is also Microsoft Exchange. Pretty much the only mail server used in corporate america. If you are a hospital or a bank and you have to conform with some kind of compliance. They have to do email archiving etc. This is all Microsoft Exchange. Then there are people who use Terminal Services for remote workers, and anyone who is running Citrix, which is millions of companies, have to have windows servers with terminal services licensing. They sell plenty . They are out there, and in corporate america they are the 800 lb gorilla.

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                                                                • johnnyloadproductions
                                                                  Account Shutdown
                                                                  • Oct 2008
                                                                  • 3611
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Hence, learn Objective C and Java, forget about C# or ASP.net

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                                                                    • PornMD
                                                                      Mainstream Businessman
                                                                      • Jan 2007
                                                                      • 9291
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                      3.2.1 til someone comes in and says "but dude, they OWN the business market"

                                                                      No one has forgotten how heavy handed they were with business in the 90s and early 2000. Right now they are thanking the gods that goog and aapl are fighting.

                                                                      Remember when MS has the biggest pile of cash?

                                                                      now:

                                                                      Four months in: Windows 8 adoption is almost at a standstill
                                                                      Holy fuck @ XP being at 38.99%. Nearly 2/5 are using an operating system that came out 11 and a half years ago?
                                                                      Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.

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                                                                        • WarChild
                                                                          Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                          • 17263
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                          Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.
                                                                          I mean it only makes sense he'd be trying to kill people off on a Continent with some of the very worst infant mortality and life expectancy rates.

                                                                          What's even funnier is that you actually think you're smarter and more informed than the average person and never once questioned the fact that you're a failure in all things life related.
                                                                          Last edited by WarChild; 04-05-2013, 11:13 AM.
                                                                          .

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                                                                            • PR_Glen
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Oct 2006
                                                                              • 9058
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                              Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.
                                                                              more lies from the village idiot/psychopath
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                                                                                • Herb Kornfield
                                                                                  Is on the 1
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 4996
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Exchange, Active Directory and SQL are here to stay for a very long time.

                                                                                  so is excel, PPT, Word and IE ...

                                                                                  My Mainstream IT consulting practice sees these all day long.... and we support them all day long... same for Cisco, netapp, vmware, and AT&T ...

                                                                                  Corporate America is going to be on windows long after all of us here are gone.

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                                                                                    • wehateporn
                                                                                      Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                      • 27176
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                                                                      more lies from the village idiot/psychopath
                                                                                      You really should block me, my posts give you nightmares

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                                                                                        • MaDalton
                                                                                          I am Amazing Content!
                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                          • 39861
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          i run Windows 2011 SBS at the office - and the million of companies that run on Windows architecture will continue to do so for a long time

                                                                                          IBM also once used to be in the consumer market with desktop PCs and DOS - now as B2B only company they're still doing fine

                                                                                          But MS clearly has lost its touch with consumers
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                                                                                            • Best-In-BC
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                                              • 9509
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Yeah Right, Microsoft Rains Supreme :D
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                                                                                                • 2012
                                                                                                  So Fucking What
                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                                                  • 17189
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                                                                                  more lies
                                                                                                  some interesting facts:

                                                                                                  http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7MH2LJ20111117

                                                                                                  http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7MH2LJ20111117

                                                                                                  http://www.gavialliance.org/library/...i-fact-sheets/

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                                                                                                    • wehateporn
                                                                                                      Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                                      • 27176
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by 2012
                                                                                                      some interesting facts:

                                                                                                      http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7MH2LJ20111117

                                                                                                      http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7MH2LJ20111117

                                                                                                      http://www.gavialliance.org/library/...i-fact-sheets/

                                                                                                      http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTE...K:4607,00.html

                                                                                                      Good links

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                                                                                                        • ilnjscb
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                                                          • 8957
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                          3.2.1 til someone comes in and says "but dude, they OWN the business market"

                                                                                                          No one has forgotten how heavy handed they were with business in the 90s and early 2000. Right now they are thanking the gods that goog and aapl are fighting.

                                                                                                          Remember when MS has the biggest pile of cash?

                                                                                                          now:

                                                                                                          Four months in: Windows 8 adoption is almost at a standstill
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                          This might be possible for home users. Microsoft owns the desktop in the corporate world. Active Directory / Exchange isn't really going anywhere. No one else offers user control / group policy etc. Even corporations who use google mail still connect it to there active directory server.
                                                                                                          Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                                          You can say what you want but they do own the business market. Unless you go into a graphics firm or video production house. Its all windows. Whats going to happen is windows 9 will fix all the mistakes they made.
                                                                                                          I think phones and tablets will replace pcs in homes for the casual surfer. Going to my parents house all the time to fix computer issues from the printer doesnt work to tons of malware and viruses. For people like them who check email and read an article or two. The ipad with a keyboard would be perfect. Or my cousin all he uses now is his phone.
                                                                                                          hahaha did I call it or what? What they own is a captive business consumer that they have treated like a red-headed slave girl for the last 20 years. The split second there is a viable alternative, 1/3 of biz will bolt. MS dominance is predicated upon the perception of power. If they seem vulnerable that will fall by the wayside.

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                                                                                                            • EddyTheDog
                                                                                                              Just Doing My Own Thing
                                                                                                              • Jan 2011
                                                                                                              • 25433
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Doh - and I had just reged windows2018.com....

                                                                                                              JK. - I haven't really...

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                                                                                                                • Supz
                                                                                                                  Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                  • 11057
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                  hahaha did I call it or what? What they own is a captive business consumer that they have treated like a red-headed slave girl for the last 20 years. The split second there is a viable alternative, 1/3 of biz will bolt. MS dominance is predicated upon the perception of power. If they seem vulnerable that will fall by the wayside.


                                                                                                                  'as soon as there is a viable alternative' It will take the same 20 years to develop competitive products. If you actually believe that somehow they are going somewhere. You are completely lost and know nothing about corporate network infrastructure. What you are saying is similar to saying Netgear is going to take out Cisco.

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                                                                                                                    • Mike Honcho
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                      • 1608
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                      says The Daily Ticker's Henry Blodget.

                                                                                                                      LOL. STFU. You sir are an idiot

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                                                                                                                        • Supz
                                                                                                                          Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                          • 11057
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
                                                                                                                          Exchange, Active Directory and SQL are here to stay for a very long time.

                                                                                                                          so is excel, PPT, Word and IE ...

                                                                                                                          My Mainstream IT consulting practice sees these all day long.... and we support them all day long... same for Cisco, netapp, vmware, and AT&T ...

                                                                                                                          Corporate America is going to be on windows long after all of us here are gone.
                                                                                                                          Atleast someone here knows what they are talking about.

                                                                                                                          Dont forget EMC

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                                                                                                                            • epitome
                                                                                                                              So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                              • 12156
                                                                                                                              #32

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                                                                                                                                • epitome
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                  • 12156
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
                                                                                                                                  Exchange, Active Directory and SQL are here to stay for a very long time.

                                                                                                                                  so is excel, PPT, Word and IE ...

                                                                                                                                  My Mainstream IT consulting practice sees these all day long.... and we support them all day long... same for Cisco, netapp, vmware, and AT&T ...

                                                                                                                                  Corporate America is going to be on windows long after all of us here are gone.


                                                                                                                                  Never mind the fact that there is still a ton of money in corporate.

                                                                                                                                  Microsoft is staking its claim in cloud hosting... DuPont now uses their hosted exchange service... we're talking $15+ per user, per month. Do the math at 50,000+ users. One company.

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                                                                                                                                    • Supz
                                                                                                                                      Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                      • 11057
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by epitome


                                                                                                                                      Never mind the fact that there is still a ton of money in corporate.

                                                                                                                                      Microsoft is staking its claim in cloud hosting... DuPont now uses their hosted exchange service... we're talking $15+ per user, per month. Do the math at 50,000+ users. One company.
                                                                                                                                      Microsoft office 365 is killing it right now, Hosted Exchange, Hosted Office. Hosted Lync etc...

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                                                                                                                                        • EddyTheDog
                                                                                                                                          Just Doing My Own Thing
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2011
                                                                                                                                          • 25433
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          MS was late to the game on most things - Remember what happened with IE/Netscape?

                                                                                                                                          They didn't think the WWW would take off - lol....

                                                                                                                                          Google have a reputation for coming late to the table as well - Not done them any harm either....

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                                                                                                                                            • epitome
                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                              • 12156
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                                                              Microsoft office 365 is killing it right now, Hosted Exchange, Hosted Office. Hosted Lync etc...
                                                                                                                                              It's actually brilliant. While a lot of other people made money servicing Microsoft users they now do it themselves in house and charge for it on a recurring basis. You know they have to be running on healthy margins.

                                                                                                                                              Edit: the messaging and telephony integration they're doing with exchange and Lync is awesome. They got it all right. Everybody is plugged in.
                                                                                                                                              Last edited by epitome; 04-05-2013, 11:52 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                • Supz
                                                                                                                                                  Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                  • 11057
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                                                                                  It's actually brilliant. While a lot of other people made money servicing Microsoft users they now do it themselves in house and charge for it on a recurring basis. You know they have to be running on healthy margins.

                                                                                                                                                  Edit: the messaging and telephony integration they're doing with exchange and Lync is awesome. They got it all right. Everybody is plugged in.
                                                                                                                                                  Yea. Most people here dont have any need for these technologies so dont know much about it. Ive been selling Lync to companies for the last 2.5 years. It has been a very hot topic in the corporate tech world for some time now. It is a very good product, both hosted and on premise.

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                                                                                                                                                    • ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                      • 8957
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                                                                      'as soon as there is a viable alternative' It will take the same 20 years to develop competitive products. If you actually believe that somehow they are going somewhere. You are completely lost and know nothing about corporate network infrastructure. What you are saying is similar to saying Netgear is going to take out Cisco.
                                                                                                                                                      And I suppose you do? My friend, I know quite a bit about corporate infrastructure, and in many different segments. Your speculation demonstrates that you have very little experience with the people who actually make decisions.

                                                                                                                                                      MS has many good products, but did you buy the stock, say, 10 years ago when it was exactly where it is today? In april 2003 it was at 24, and, why, bless me! today it is at 26. I guess none of the market knows the secrets only you know, just like me.

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                                                                                                                                                        • epitome
                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                          • 12156
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                          And I suppose you do? My friend, I know quite a bit about corporate infrastructure, and in many different segments. Your speculation demonstrates that you have very little experience with the people who actually make decisions.

                                                                                                                                                          MS has many good products, but did you buy the stock, say, 10 years ago when it was exactly where it is today? In april 2003 it was at 24, and, why, bless me! today it is at 26. I guess none of the market knows the secrets only you know, just like me.
                                                                                                                                                          So they are to be penalized for their stability? The stock has split 9 times and in 2003 they decided to start paying dividends instead which is why it's remained consistent.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Supz
                                                                                                                                                              Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                              • 11057
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                              And I suppose you do? My friend, I know quite a bit about corporate infrastructure, and in many different segments. Your speculation demonstrates that you have very little experience with the people who actually make decisions.

                                                                                                                                                              MS has many good products, but did you buy the stock, say, 10 years ago when it was exactly where it is today? In april 2003 it was at 24, and, why, bless me! today it is at 26. I guess none of the market knows the secrets only you know, just like me.
                                                                                                                                                              I am not speculating. You are. I have been selling corporate infrastructures for over 7 years. Prior to that I was a Unix systems administrator for Xo Communications. I have certifications in Cisco, Vmware, Citrix, Emc and a few other small vendors like Barracuda Networks. I would say I qualify....what does the price of the stock have to do with the conversation? Cisco stock i at 20. They are a market leader in many categories. There stock has been hovering around 20 forever. Are you saying Cisco is going out of business? Please....go do some research.
                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by Supz; 04-06-2013, 09:26 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                  • 12156
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                                                                                  I am not speculating. You are. I have been selling corporate infrastructures for over 7 years. Prior to that I was a Unix systems administrator for Xo Communications. I have certifications in Cisco, Vmware, Citrix, Emc and a few other small vendors like Barracuda Networks. I would say I qualify....what does the price of the stock have to do with the conversation? Cisco stock i at 20. They are a market leader in many categories. There stock has been hovering around 20 forever. Are you saying Cisco is going out of business? Please....go do some research.
                                                                                                                                                                  I was waiting for that and you did not disappoint. I guess he didn't know who he was talking to?

                                                                                                                                                                  Edit: about cisco, my friend was a senior sales Engineer before he moved on and it was not uncommon to sell a $7 million contract to a school district every couple of weeks. People didn't even know what they were buying... They would just defer to his expertise. So yeah, at $20/share they aren't going anywhere.
                                                                                                                                                                  Last edited by epitome; 04-06-2013, 10:08 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                      • 12156
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                                                                                      Yea. Most people here dont have any need for these technologies so dont know much about it. Ive been selling Lync to companies for the last 2.5 years. It has been a very hot topic in the corporate tech world for some time now. It is a very good product, both hosted and on premise.
                                                                                                                                                                      It is amazing stuff. I hope in a couple of years small businesses have it just like they might have ring central.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Supz
                                                                                                                                                                          Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                          • 11057
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                                                                                                          I was waiting for that and you did not disappoint. I guess he didn't know who he was talking to?

                                                                                                                                                                          Edit: about cisco, my friend was a senior sales Engineer before he moved on and it was not uncommon to sell a $7 million contract to a school district every couple of weeks. People didn't even know what they were buying... They would just defer to his expertise. So yeah, at $20/share they aren't going anywhere.
                                                                                                                                                                          Cisco is a beast. They are now the industry leader in both the switching & routing market, the video conferencing market & the server market. There stock hasn't moved. They have piles of cash but no hype on the street. Same goes for MSoft. They stay stable, they make money. They pay dividends like clockwork. I also do believe Microsoft pays a higher dividend then Cisco does if I am not mistaken.

                                                                                                                                                                          Those deals are very common. But they usually go to Cisco Gold partners or direct. 6 figure deals are a little more common in the realm I play in. But the margins on the hardware are very very slim. The bigger the deal. The more the customer usually knows about negotiating hardware pricing. Especially schools. They usually fall under GSA Contracts where the pricing is set in stone from the vendor. The money is in the pro services.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2009
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Why are margins so thin though? Aren't they just making the shit in some third world country like everybody else?

                                                                                                                                                                              There seems to be so much waste in corporate America. No accountability. I guess employees don't feel like they are spending their own money like they do in smaller businesses.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12156
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Video conferencing is a great example. Companies spend $20k for a conference room setup when they can go get a HD camcorder they use as a Web cam and two 60" flat panels from Target. Total cost... Less then $2k on the hardware.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Supz
                                                                                                                                                                                      Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                                                                                                                      Why are margins so thin though? Aren't they just making the shit in some third world country like everybody else?

                                                                                                                                                                                      There seems to be so much waste in corporate America. No accountability. I guess employees don't feel like they are spending their own money like they do in smaller businesses.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Margins are not thin for the manufacturers. But most IT Manufacturers don't sell direct. They sell through a channel utilizing distributors. The resellers purchase from distributors.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The distributors work off small margins. Their goal is to do volume. They have some competition but there are just a few of them who do a good majority of the business. Resellers are the ones that have to battle out. A lot pricing online, etc. If you are an IT Director or CIO you do care what you spend because you have a certain budget and have to obtain certain goals within that budget. So the spending is not as free as you would expect and not as free as it used to be. People buy now more for need then for want. But of course its not like spending your own money.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Supz
                                                                                                                                                                                          Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 11057
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                                                                                                                          Video conferencing is a great example. Companies spend $20k for a conference room setup when they can go get a HD camcorder they use as a Web cam and two 60" flat panels from Target. Total cost... Less then $2k on the hardware.
                                                                                                                                                                                          There are systems that you an get for a decent price now. Fully HD and utilizing less bandwidth then most. When Cisco/Tandberg is too expensive. I sell Lifesize. They have units that start on the lower 4 figure end with the same quality. You cannot do on a webcam what you can do on video conferencing. Point to Point HD, File sharing, Presentation sharing, When one person talks they take over main screen etc...a million features. Things that you cannot do with webcams.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Supz
                                                                                                                                                                                              Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              But as ilnjscb said. I'm just speculating and dont know what I'm talking about

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2009
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am not speculating. You are. I have been selling corporate infrastructures for over 7 years. Prior to that I was a Unix systems administrator for Xo Communications. I have certifications in Cisco, Vmware, Citrix, Emc and a few other small vendors like Barracuda Networks. I would say I qualify....what does the price of the stock have to do with the conversation? Cisco stock i at 20. They are a market leader in many categories. There stock has been hovering around 20 forever. Are you saying Cisco is going out of business? Please....go do some research.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Which is why you are pushing MS, because it is what you get paid with - if you were doing the paying, you'd know why MS business share is threatened. See how the thread has devolved into you two confirming each others opinions? Good way to learn something, eh?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  As for the split, dude, the split does not change the market value, that is not a close quote, that is with the splits calculated in. Look at the capitalization, which has remained the same.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Windows 8 has had terrible sales and adoption, similar to Vista. What new markets does MS own? Where have they added share in the last 10 years? So many IT firms that thought they could stranglehold the biz market because they were already there have been disrupted and kicked - that isn't a workable strategy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  MS has a good strategy with Dynamics CRM, with BizSpark, with Azure, with gaming. That is, stop being a "titan" and start making a great product. Encourage and support innovation. Can you, as a self proclaimed expert honestly tell me that MS does that in the biz sphere?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • GrantMercury
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2012
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fucking awesome. NOBODY is too big. Look at Kodak. "Kodak moment" was once a household term.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      The end of Microshit would be a good thing.
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