Where the fuck does one find the best programmers in the world?
 

I've searched everywhere, Elance, Scriptlance, Programming message boards, whatever.......can't find that one visionary I'm after.....where is he? (or she....just to be fair to the ladies)

I know many good ones, what are ya looking for exactly

CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

India... and they do it for cheap too....

php, xml, perl, c#, c++, mysql, asp to start.

Mastery of the net also helps.

I have a HUGE project I'm planning on starting.

Seems like all the best programmers are Eastern European or Scandanavian......but language barriers are a major pain in the ass in working with them

that's a nice list there although i'm not sure why you would need all of those technologies for a single project.

Me neither, unless the OP was planning on cobbling a slew of existing apps together for some reason.

Or, maybe he's just being czarkaztik...:)

uh huh.

"Where the fuck does one find the best programmers in the world?"

----You won't. They'll find you if they are interested. :Graucho

You've found us - or we've found you.

Your list : php, xml, perl, c#, c++, mysql, asp
suggests you need help narrowing down what you need done. We're principally Microsoft focused, so that means xml, C#, C++, .NET etc usually with SQL Server, but we can help you understand what the best solution is for your project. We work both in mainstream and more recently adult, with a major new service being released here shortly.

Let me know if we can help either in a development or project management role, or sourcing cheap offshore developers if that's what suits your project.

Danny
ICQ : 175562783

IT Moonlighter give them a whirl :thumbsup

And if you need something Linux-based, contact me. "php, xml, perl, c#, c++, mysql," are not a problem. We have done some major projects over the years. Both adult and nonadult.

If you want to discuss this further, contact me at [email protected]

I have a hard time believing the "best programmers in the world" would choose microsoft.
Also being oriented on the m$ SQl Server - "the best programmers in the world" would know that Oracle is superior.

Top 3 programming country at this moment:
1) Russia
2) China
3) Poland

Hi,

Hit me up if you need anything done in Perl/MySQL. [email protected]

I won't get into a big debate about this. However, the best solution for a job is dependant on a number of factors, only a very minor one being whether Oracle could support slightly more transactions per second the SQL Server - and even this is debatable.

Usually the most important consideration is the experience of the development team, and the existing software that comes "for free" with the solution. For example we develop analysis systems for telecoms usage. SQL Server includes an OLAP tool called Analsys Server, at no extra cost, that provides functionality you would pay 10s of K if you chose Oracle. That's before you start writing any software to use it.

Your experience of MS vs Unix/Linux/Apache is probably based on how fast and reliably a server can serve up pages of adult content. Apache wins hands down.

But if you consider a much more complex solution which involves communication between PC clients and servers, the decision is much less clear. The cost of a slightly faster server is trivial compared to the cost of development.

I happen to know Bill Gates regularly reads this board for tips on building his porn empire - I'm sure he'll join in the debate shortly.

ps I'm not really the best programmer in the world. But I'm quite good.

India.

Then why not a Pakistan ? :1orglaugh

The difference between Oracle and the ms SQL server is not exactly a "slight" one - Oracle wins hands down in tests with the standard setup. However, the big benefit of Oracle is that lots of tweaking can be done, which greatly increases performance. So, when properly configured, Oracle doesn't even break a sweat where the ms SQL server would die. (ofcourse, on windows servers I'd still recommend sql server)
Sure, Oracle is expensive, but that's because it's the best by far.

If you want to save on costs, you can use PostgreSQL. Not as good as Oracle, but in my opinion at least as good as the ms SQL server and quite a bit more economical.


With a nice standardized protocol, the benefits of Apache/Unix can also be used when connecting with PC clients and servers. Besides that, prices for software would be quite a bit lower since you have lots of existing open source programs to build on.


For client PCs though, it is obvious you'll have to develop for windows. That sucks, but there really isn't much you can do about it.

I am skilled with the cross referencing platform software also known as XML.

Please let me know when I can begin!

We look forward to hearding from yes.

:)

Thought I should stop lurking and say hello. We just love what you guys are doing with the web, and if I can help out with any projects, just let me know.

We're pretty good on php and Oracle.

"India... and they do it for cheap too...."

... yes, but that stopped until some companies started to pay the average western wages ...

language is not a problem,
we can work per project pay base, hourly or monthly
have good resources and ability to find additional top skilled proffecionals if needed.
get in touch with me, i'm always on icq 13715022

Go back to Elance and look up "Radix Technologies"
They are unreal programmers in India. Very skilled.

I spent 20 years leading teams of programmers in International consulting projects - banking, trading, accounting, etc.

No offence, but the adult industry is plagued by crap programming. Most of the stuff being written is not really suitable for production and I would have thrown away if confronted with it.

If you want a professional programmer, start with somebody that knows the basics. That means they graduated with at least a BS/BA in computer science. If you haven?t studied classical computing problems, you are pretty much destined to do stupid stuff.

Don?t hire anybody under 30. ?Whiz kids? never worked for me ? they make incredibly stupid mistakes in logic because they didn?t take the time to learn classical algorithms. I usually start programmers off with 40-year-old classic books like ?Sorting and Searching? which are essential to a foundation in computer programming. Being smart is helpful in being a programmer, but there are much more important perquisites such as logic and consistency.

Go to dice.com, monster.com, etc. Plenty of them out there with the .com burst. Look through the resumes and interview people with at least a BA in CS and 8-10 years experience.

I can program/use all the requirements you just mentioned and I'm availeble in a week. just hit me on ICQ if you're interested

Buy American.

MYSQL is plenty strong enough to handle most apps. and its free. Oracle is over kill for most projects. A good programmer understands that you need to match tools to the project.

The best programmers in the world are either doing their own thing, or they're already employed by companies that are VERY glad to have them. Funnily enough, one of those guys (the only programmer I know better than I am) - was bored about 6 months ago.. I recommended him to Lensman, and Lens ignored my email. His loss. ;>

As for this DB war going on here, I'll contribute my two cents:

In my experience, Oracle is overkill for almost every project. Not to mention its ridiculous licensing prices and horrendously complicated setup. (I've never seen a db system before or since where we actually had to hire someone just to get the damn thing running.)

SQL Server is a nice DB. It's simple to setup, reliable and high capacity. It may not be as high capacity as Oracle, but few people would ever need more than SQL Server can handle.

MySQL is great, when it isn't crashing, as it does quite often.

PostGres - No idea there, was thinking about trying it but the reputation it has of being slow as molasses put me off.

Cheers,
Backov

They're at http://www.hsisoft.com! Look no more... :)

I am the best programmer of all

150243034:thumbsup

Los Angeles

even though everybody badmouthes Russians, I consider them to be one of the best programmers

I've never had any problems finding capable programmers with elance.com.

I will program you the best basic program you can ever use! The little man will even go to the top of the screen over and over while playing music!


Top that you smart kids!

I can whip you up you almost anything you dream up that would require web developement. I did webmasters.za.net's traffic trading script years back when many thought remote traffic trading was impossible.
Hit me up on icq:144912305

Try Microsoft or Adobe.

The best programmers are commanding very big bucks and got more work than they can handle.

We asked for one to program a plug in gallery and got nothing. Had to go to the guy that did our site. It will be 2 months before he starts. :(

Um,

Do you even know what C# is?

C# is a MICROSOFT language built for the .NET Framework.

99.9% of all C# apps run on MS Servers...why you would even try running C# on *nix has me baffled.

The ports of the .NET Framework that are made for linux don't contain many of the powerful namespaces that the .NET Framework is known for.

Sounds like you are just throwing out some languages.

Why would you even need PHP, ASP, Perl, C++ when you could simply use C# and ASP.NET to do the same things?

Something sounds screwy here.

Only problem with off shore programming compnies... if they don't deliver or support the product what legal recourse do you really have? You gonna sue somoene over in India?

You want the BEST programmers in the world... look at who's making games.

With this post you just ruled yourself out.....thank you for pointing
that out!

DynaMite :1orglaugh

Sorry...I'm not looking for any more work.

Thanks though.

The best programmers i know dont have any eduaction. I totally disagree on this point. If you wanna have creative and border breaking programming then take a whizzkid. If you wanna have some regular db programming take the ones whit an education.

:2 cents:

One thing I have found with older programmers is they know nothing about newer technologies.

They are still stuck on C, VB 3, COBOL, DAO, MS 97 as their database etc.

The younger generation is using the best technology.

My Ex is an S.O.B. but I must admit he's a brilliant programmer and one of the fastest I've seen and he's always looking to take on side jobs. ICQ me if you want his email addy.

~Angel

Oracle is overkill for small projects, I admit. However, for the larger projects (and the project in question according to the thread-starter is HUGE) Oracle is simply the best option. Fast, safe, stable - it can't get much better than that.

SQL Server may be one of microsoft's better products, but it still has serious issues. For one, it follows one of the major microsoft traditions - not complying with standards. Security isn't the best in the world either, following another microsoft tradition.
Besides that, the quality doesn't justify the price. Things you can do with SQL Server can for the most part also be done with MySQL or PostgreSQL.

MySQL is fairly good, and pretty damn quick. Unfortunately, it's rather simple and at times unstable (although that is most often not caused by MySQL itself but by the people handling it the wrong way).

PostgreSQL is more stable than MySQL, more secure as well, and in my experience just as fast as SQL Server at much lower costs - that is, it's free.

So, if you really need the best database available, you should go for Oracle, if not, PostgreSQL. There is no reason to spend money on the MS SQL Server.

we found a lot of good programmers in serbia!

Not all good programmers live in serbia, because I don't live there :thumbsup

Any company in the USA that use out of country programmers are either really cheap or hate America.

:thumbsup