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VenusBlogger

11-29-2012 01:53 PM

No 2257, Model ID's or Signed Releases needed for Clips4Sale ?

So, any guy can pay 50 bucks a hooker, take it in video, upload it and make CASH ???..

Does FEET FETISH sells well, BARE-Foot-Sies ? :pimp

NatalieK

11-29-2012 02:05 PM

I think to sign up, it states hold your own 2257, like putting any photos on the internet.

Want business, run an honest business :)

nikki99

11-29-2012 02:05 PM

what's with the anger recently venusblogger?

srockhard

11-29-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19338727)

So, any guy can pay 50 bucks a hooker, take it in video, upload it and make CASH ???..

If you ask the hooker I bet she'd sign it anyway ;)

Struggle4Bucks

11-29-2012 02:12 PM

When i opened a clips4sale account and put some videos on it, i got a mail from clips4sale to upload the model-id`s and modelreleases... i mailed them back that it was not for them to keep/store/etc... because they are not the producers of the content and that i didn`t want to send it to anyone but me...

PornoMonster

11-29-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19338727)

So, any guy can pay 50 bucks a hooker, take it in video, upload it and make CASH ???..

Does FEET FETISH sells well, BARE-Foot-Sies ? :pimp

Foot stuff has always been crazy to me. I had a cam model this guy would pay to have her put on dirty nasty shoes and work boots.

notinmybackyard

11-29-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19338738)

Well yes you should always do the model release, picture of their ID and 2257 info but I'm sure half of stores on there don't do that at all

They do just what you said.

I estimate that 90% of the porn on the Internet today has no release or copies of ID.
Sooner or later this will come back and bite all those people in the ass. And that time is coming sooner than most want to believe

charlie g

11-29-2012 02:47 PM

I am trying to open a store now but they wanted to see my 2257 docs. I have sent a dozen times and still no response from them. Started before the holiday and still waiting on a reply.

So yes, they do care if you keep 2257 info, just their support is not so good.

Struggle4Bucks

11-29-2012 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 19338829)

Of course i have all modelreleases and model id`s! But...
I refuse to send them to 3rd parties. I am the one who keeps and have to keep all 2257 info... because I am the producer and i own the work... no one else. I will never send such sensative information. I will never send copies of pasports of other people to others.

halfpint

11-29-2012 03:09 PM

2257 is a US law not an international law and countrys have diff laws on pornography You should read up or get legal advice about what laws you should abide by in your own country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_s...et_pornography

VenusBlogger

11-29-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 19338755)

what's with the anger recently venusblogger?

nothing against you, but I dont like the traffic leak in those shemale sites from SMC REVENUE and other sponsors at all, they put twitter and social bookmark links in the landing page affiliates send traffic to, sucks..

thats why I sent you that message the other day.

Todo bien por Chile?..

VenusBlogger

11-29-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19338808)

Foot stuff has always been crazy to me. I had a cam model this guy would pay to have her put on dirty nasty shoes and work boots.

some guys want to get FISTED and ANALLY FUCKED by hot girls FEET...

Thats extreme, but sells at 1:1...

Barry-xlovecam

11-29-2012 04:06 PM

Data disclosure in the EU is protected -- the person's explicit consent is needed or a court order.

This creates a merchantability issue in the USA -- these images, if explicit (§2257) or simulated sex (§2257A) require ''documentation'' to be legally merchantable as "fit for the use intended."

Solution: Not for sale in the USA or take actions not to break your own laws to provide the documents.

I/we give you permission to disclose my/our data to all buyers and sellers of my/our images ... :upsidedow (That will go over well.)

To this end you would need to provide a copy of the person(s) identification with the person(s) names and identity document registration number visible -- the person(s) address could be redacted (blacked out). That is the only way to protect yourself in this situation if you are in the EU or Canada too from what I understand.

Not legal advice -- for discussion purposes only.

DamianJ

11-29-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 19338754)

I think to sign up, it states hold your own 2257, like putting any photos on the internet.

Want business, run an honest business :)

Oh Gary, it's against the rules to get around a ban by setting up a new account you dribbling spastic.

And 2257 is an American law. You can put up pictures of your wife barebacking a stranger for 50 bucks perfectly legally in the UK with no 2257.

Now, fuck off.

Struggle4Bucks

11-29-2012 04:26 PM

Clips4sale does not need your 2257 documentation!

The only one who needs to put documentation available for inspection is the owner/producer of the work.

Clips4Sale can make a statement on their site that they are not the primary producers/owners and can put the adres/contact information on it`s site where
the authorities can find the documentation of that producer.

Struggle4Bucks

11-29-2012 04:28 PM

but uhhh.... yes... if you post something on the internet you better have 2257 docs prepared:-)

SpicyM

11-29-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19339029)

Clips4sale does not need your 2257 documentation

But you wrote that they requested it, right?

They did not wanted it when I opened my shop and I would not give them that of course. Those are private data.

Struggle4Bucks

11-29-2012 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 19339070)

But you wrote that they requested it, right?

They did not wanted it when I opened my shop and I would not give them that of course. Those are private data.

Yes they asked but i didn`t give them... correct...
I don`t understand why they would want to have that...
I really don`t think they want to be the inspection-adress
so they don`t need it.

fitzmulti

11-29-2012 05:11 PM

Geez...in the spot for all of your info, there's a place for you to put where YOU keep your 2257 records...
THEY do not "receive" the records...that just need to know where you keep yours.
They have NEVER asked for mine...if you didn't fill out your info, they may have asked for THAT...
It's simple as fuck and this thread title is fucking STUPID!

Struggle4Bucks

11-29-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzmulti (Post 19339118)

Hey Fitz... they have send me a mail in where they asked me to provide the actual model id`s and consent-forms... not only where I keep them...

Va2k	11-29-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19338727)

So, any guy can pay 50 bucks a hooker, take it in video, upload it and make CASH ???..

Does FEET FETISH sells well, BARE-Foot-Sies ? :pimp

Hey hit me up via email lets chat and talk about the old times you were with me and what we can do to get things back to the way they were brother, remember KNOCKBOOTS ;)

mikesouth

11-29-2012 08:58 PM

I've never had any sort of issue with clips4sale as a storeowner, never been asked to present IDs or anything but I did sign a statement that I maintain all 2257 required documentation and gave the custodian info. That said only a complete moron would not maintain IDs and model releases...I did that even before 2257, it protects you.

they may be asking for that info as proof that you actually own the content, though they are very bvery good about removing stores with unlicensed content its still an ongoing issue

Having been with c4s for many years I can say that neil is one of the all around best people I do business with in this biz always on time with payments, always fixes any issues promptly, the split is by far the best in the biz and he personally takes my calls when I call, and Im not even a top 50 store.....

Nothing but praise for c4s and Neil

VenusBlogger

11-29-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fungus (Post 19339250)

Hey hit me up via email lets chat and talk about the old times you were with me and what we can do to get things back to the way they were brother, remember KNOCKBOOTS ;)

haha right man! that site converted like crazy!

I wonder if this guy BAREFOOTSIES still sells his FOOT FETISH clips on clips store, the guy used to do 15K per month with it.

fitzmulti

11-29-2012 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19339402)

1000% agree!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19339146)

Hey Fitz... they have send me a mail in where they asked me to provide the actual model id`s and consent-forms... not only where I keep them...

I've never been asked ANY time since 2004 when I first started with c4s to present any id's or paperwork.
So some situation must have caused them to ask you...it does NOT seem to be the "norm".

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