The TRUTH About Thanksgiving!
 

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"Those who are indigenous to this land we call ?The United States of America? have been long misrepresented and pushed out of American history textbooks in favor of glorifying those who now rule this nation and represent the dominant culture. What kind of democracy are we when education institutions and teachers refuse to mention the fact that 10 to 30 million Natives were killed at the hands of European invasion and colonialism? What is the point of having a ?free market of ideas? when selective and biased history is being taught to our children?

There is no other way to put it, but erasing the memory of an entire race of people through distorted history is a systematic way of deceiving and lying to our children. Not only are we presented with biased history, but we are also subjected to an ever-growing culture of capitalism, in which commercialization of an ambiguous holiday merely pulls us away from facts and meaning. Turkeys are associated with ?Thanksgiving? in the same way Santa Clause and the Easter bunny have become synonymous with Christmas and Easter, respectively. Through the guise of innocence, capitalism is constantly telling us to consume because consumption equals ?happiness.? Tomorrow is not ?Black Friday? for nothing.

And as children dress up as Pilgrims and Natives to reenact the romanticized version of history, they are not only perpetuating stereotypes, but more importantly, they?re being embedded with lies. What do they really know about the Pilgrims and the Natives? Consider a high school history textbook called ?The American Tradition? which describes the scene quite succinctly:

After some exploring, the Pilgrims chose the land around Plymouth Harbor for their settlement. Unfortunately, they had arrived in December and were not prepared for the New England winter. However, they were aided by friendly Indians, who gave them food and showed them how to grow corn. When warm weather came, the colonists planted, fished, hunted, and prepared themselves for the next winter. After harvesting their first crop, they and their Indian friends celebrated the first Thanksgiving.

This patronizing version of history excludes many embarrassing facts of European history. As stated by James W. Loewen, author of ?Lies My Teacher Told Me,? many college students are unaware of the horrific plague that devastated and significantly reduced the population of Natives after Columbus? arrival in the ?new world.? Most diseases came from animals that were domesticated by Europeans. Cowpox from cows led to smallpox, which was later ?spread through gifts of blankets by infected Europeans.? Of the twelve high school textbooks Professor Loewen studied and analyzed, only three offer some explanation that the plague was a factor of European colonization. The nine remaining textbooks mention almost nothing, and two of them omit the subject altogether. He writes: ?Each of the other seven furnishes only a fragment of a paragraph that does not even make it into the index, let alone into students? minds.?

Why is it important to mention the plague? It reinforced European ethnocentricism which hardly produced a ?friendly? relationship between the Natives and Europeans. To most of the Pilgrims and Europeans, the Natives were heathens, savages, treacherous, and Satanic. Upon seeing thousands of dead Natives, the Governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony, John Winthrop, called the plague ?miraculous.? In 1634, he wrote to a friend in England:

But for the natives in these parts, God hath so pursued them, as for 300 miles space the greatest part of them are swept away by the small pox which still continues among them. So as God hath thereby cleared our title to this place, those who remain in these parts, being in all not fifty, have put themselves under our protect?

The ugly truth is that many Pilgrims were thankful and grateful that the Native population was decreasing. Even worse, there was the Pequot Massacre in 1637, which started after the colonists found a murdered white man in his boat. Ninety armed settlers burned a Native village, along with their crops, and then demanded the Natives to turn in the murderers. When the Natives refused, a massacre followed............."



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I invited all of my neighbors over, broke bread with them, slaughtered them and then took their land.

I prefer accurate reenactments.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Probably as when I was in school things were taught a lot differently.

Pure White Man's propaganda!

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That is just about what the demented group known as "The Pilgrims" did!

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The TRUTH about Thanksgiving:

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Thanksgiving is NOT the busiest travel time of the year:

Merry Thanksgiving, Marion... :winkwink:

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I'lll bet your Indian name would be "Two-dogs-fucking"

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Yes but you know the "Lemmings" thing isn't even real!

LOL!

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Lemmings Suicide Myth

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"The notion that lemmings, overcome by deep-rooted impulses, deliberately run over a cliff in their millions came not from a biologist, but from that other animal behaviourist - Walt Disney.

By Karl S. Kruszelnicki

One myth deeply entrenched in our language is that of the "Lemming Suicide Plunge" - where lemmings, apparently overcome by deep-rooted impulses, deliberately run over a cliff in their millions, to be dashed to their deaths on the rocks below, or to drown in the raging ocean. Indeed, this myth is now a metaphor for the behaviour of crowds of people who foolishly follow each other, lemming-like, regardless of the consequences. This particular myth began with a Disney movie.

Lemmings belong to the rodents. Rodents have been around for about 57 million years. Today, about half of all the individuals mammals on Earth are rodents. There are four genera of lemmings - Collared Lemmings, "True" Lemmings, Wood or Red-Backed Lemmings and Bog Lemmings. They are found in the cooler northern parts of Eurasia and North America. The True Lemming is about 10 cm long, with short legs and tail.

Many of the rodents have strange population explosions. One such event in the Central Valley of California in 1926-27 had mouse populations reaching around 200,000 per hectare (about 20 mice per square metre). In France between 1790 and 1935, there were at least 20 mouse plagues. But lemmings have the most regular fluctuations - these population explosions happen every three or four years. The numbers rocket up, and then drop almost to extinction. Even after three-quarters of a century of intensive research, we don't fully understand why their populations fluctuate so much. Various factors (change in food availability, climate, density of predators, stress of overcrowding, infectious diseases, snow conditions, sunspots, etc) have all been put forward, but none completely explain what is going on.

Back in the 1530s, the geographer Zeigler of Strasbourg, tried to explain these variations in populations by saying that lemmings fell out of the sky in stormy weather, and then suffered mass extinctions with the sprouting of the grasses of spring. Back in the 19th century, the Naturalist Edward Nelson wrote that "the Norton Sound Eskimo have an odd superstition that the White Lemming lives in the land beyond the stars and that it sometimes comes down to the earth, descending in a spiral course during snow-storms." But none of the Intuit stories mention the "suicide leaps off cliffs".

When these population explosions happen, the lemming migrate away from the denser centres. The migrations begin slowly and erratically, with an evolution from small numbers moving at night, to larger groups in the daytime. The most dramatic movements happen with the True Lemmings (also called the Norway Lemming). Even so, they do not form a continuous mass, but instead travel in groups with gaps of 10 minutes or more between them. They tend to follow roads and paths. Lemmings avoid water, and will usually scout around for a land crossing. But if they have to, they will swim. Their swimming ability is such that they can cross a 200 metre body of water on a calm night, but most will drown in a windy night.

So lemmings do have their regular wild fluctuations in population - and when the numbers are high, the lemmings do migrate.

The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan.

So lemmings do not commit mass suicide. Indeed, animals live to thrive and survive. Consider a company like Disney, where one rodent, namely Mickey Mouse, was Royalty. It's rather odd to think that Disney could be so unkind to another rodent, the lemming..."

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Well, that's human history and evolution. Sorry if it hurts anyone's feelings but the stronger group will always overtake the weaker.

Every person on this planet is living on land that at one time was occupied by another group.

Yep that's me a real lemming. Happy Thanksgiving two-dogs-fucking.

You're correct! The genocide perpetrated on the Native Americans by the Whites was quite the public thing!:


The American Indian Genocide Museum:

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GENOCIDE OF NATIVE AMERICANS:
A SOCIOLOGICAL VIEW

The term Genocide derives from the Latin (genos=race, tribe; cide=killing) and means literally the killing or murder of an entire tribe or people. The Oxford English Dictionary defines genocide as "the deliberate and systematic extermination of an ethnic or national group" and cites the first usage of the term as R. Lemkin, Axis Rule in Occupied Europe, (1944) p.79. "By 'genocide' we mean the destruction of a nation or an ethnic group." The U.N. General Assembly adopted this term and defended it in 1946 as "....a denial of the right of existence of entire human groups." Most people tend to associate genocide with wholesale slaughter of a specific people. However, "the 1994 U.N. Convention on the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide, describes genocide beyond outright murder of people as the destruction and extermination of culture." Article II of the convention lists five categories of activity as genocidal when directed against a specific "national, ethnic, racial, or religious group."

These categories are:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of group;
Deliberately infliction on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Genocide or the deliberate extermination of one ethnic group by another is not new, for example in 1937 the Pequot Indians were exterminated by the Colonists when they burned their villages in Mystic, Connecticut, and then shot all the other people -- including women and children -- who tried to escape. The United States Government has refused to ratify the U.N. convention on genocide. There are many facets of genocide which have been implemented upon indigenous peoples of North America. The list of American genocidal policies includes: Mass-execution, Biological warfare, Forced Removal from homelands, Incarceration, Indoctrination of non-indigenous values, forced surgical sterilization of native women, Prevention of religious practices, just to name a few.

By mass-execution prior to the arrival of Columbus the land defined as the 48 contiguous states of America numbered in excess of 12 million. Four centuries later, it had been reduced by 95% (237 thousand). How? When Columbus returned in 1493 he brought a force of 17 ships. He began to implement slavery and mass-extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years five million were dead. Fifty years later the Spanish census recorded only 200 living! Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of numerous accounts of the horrendous acts that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon the indigenous people, which included hanging them en masse, roasting them on spits, hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog food, and the list continues.

This did not end with Columbus' departure, the European colonies and the newly declared United States continued similar conquests. Massacres occurred across the land such as the Wounded Knee Massacre. Not only was the method of massacre used, other methods for "Indian Removal" and "clearing" included military slaughter of tribal villages, bounties on native scalps, and biological warfare. British agents intentionally gave Tribes blankets that were intentionally contaminated with smallpox. Over 100 thousand died among the Mingo, Delaware, Shawnee and other Ohio River nations. The U.S. army followed suit and used the same method on the Plains tribal populations with similar success.
FORCED REMOVAL FROM HOMELANDS

For a brief periods after the American Revolution, the United States adopted a policy toward American Indians known as the "conquest" theory. In the Treaty of Fort Stansix of 1784, the Iroquois had to cede lands in western New York and Pennsylvania. Those Iroquois living in the United States (many had gone to Canada where the English gave them refuge) rapidly degenerated as a nation during the last decades of the eighteenth century, losing most of their remaining lands and much of their ability to cope. The Shawnees, Miamis, Delawaresm, Ottawans, Wyandots, and Potawatomis watching the decline of the Iroquois formed their own confederacy and informed the United states that the Ohio river was the boundary between their lands and those of the settlers. It was just a matter of time before further hostilities ensued.
FORCED ASSIMILATION

The Europeans saw themselves as the superior culture bringing civilization to an inferior culture. The colonial world view split reality into popular parts: good and evil, body and spirit, man and nature, head and hear, European and primitive. American Indians spirituality lacks these dualism's; language expresses the oneness of all things. God is not the transcendent Father but the Mother Earth, the Corn Mother, the Great Spirit who nourishes all It is polytheistic, believing in many gods and many levels of deity. "At the basis of most American Native beliefs is the supernatural was a profound conviction that an invisible force, a powerful spirit, permeated the entire universe and ordered the cycles of birth and death for all living things." Beyond this belief in a universal spirit, most American Indians attached supernatural qualities to animals, heavenly bodies, the seasons, dead ancestors, the elements, and geologic formations. Their world was infused with the divine - The Sacred Hoop. This was not at all a personal being presiding ominpotently over the salvation or damnation of individual people as the Europeans believed.

For the Europeans such beliefs were pagan. Thus, the conquest was rationalized as a necessary evil that would bestow upon the heathen "Indians" a moral consciousness that would redeem their amorality. The world view which converted bare economic self interest into noble, even moral, motives was a notion of Christianity as the one redemptive religion which demands fealty from all cultures. In this remaking of the American Indians the impetus which drove the conquistador's invading wars not exploration, but the drive to expand an empire, not discovery of new land, but the drive to accumulate treasure, land and cheap labor..........."

You are correct and in your correcteness lies the dichotomy.

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Thank you for your post!

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"Florida/Kentucky"?

Hillbilly country?

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Yea a lot of hillbillies in rich Lexington, preppy horse capital of the world and where I'm from on Casey Key. :winkwink:

So those Hillbilies stumpers?

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The Proud Murderers!
 

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Thank you my friend!

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I have native blooded American friends. I did not send out Happy Thanksgivings to anyone unless they sent me one first.

Once I was educated on the history of thanksgiving.. it didn't seem something to be all that proud of anymore.

However, we live in a different time now. The history of the native American Indian is tragic, but what is done is done. We can only remember and pay tribute.

To me and most other Americans, Thanksgiving has transcended not into a tradition of honoring our white pilgrims who turned around and slaughtered natives who welcomed them, but for more about our immediate family and loved ones. Its a time when most (less and less it seems though) have time off from work to sit down with their families and share a meal together. Which is meant to be a bonding experience.

My part native blooded American girlfriend made me a thanksgiving dinner today while I sat on the couch and watched my Lions lose. Traditionally ;) I certainly didn't force her to make it, she wanted to on her own accord and I didn't even buy the food, however she never made a thanksgiving dinner until she met me.

There are many Caucasian Americans who are compassionate to native American History, but we can't just make it go away.

Do I need to eat a traditional thanksgiving dinner? No, but it would feel weird not to. That was the food of native Americans.

Thanksgiving is humble day for me, In some ways I am happy, but there will always be a somber element now when it comes to native Americans. I don't think I am alone.

^^^we don't celebrate it in my family either, it's basically just a day that most people I care about have off work so we can all get together. Between the smallpox blankets and Cornwallis putting a bounty on the heads of my ancestors (Mi'kmaq)...the whole celebratory aspect of the 'holiday' is somewhat diminished

wicked thread Masta

Thank you!

The Spirit lives within you!

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Respect and cherish her.

She must love you very much to do the things of which you have written.

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I give up!

Who are you?

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I recall being taught that Thanksgiving started when pilgrims and indians had a dinner together. This is a bogus fairy tale.

The true origins of Thanksgiving are from a communist settlement in New England that had a history of losing some of their population to starvation in the winter months. So they would sit down for a big feast just before the freezing cold set in and people died. Years later they moved away from communism and suddenly residents started being productive enough to grow enough food for everyone to make it through the winter. They decided to keep the yearly feast tradition anyway.

Fucking commies:disgust

Like all holidays (especially in the west) it has lost all meaning.

You got that right!

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If we start to analyze the story behind each holiday... well, it would be a rude awakening for most.

the victors always write the history books, doesn't make it right, its just what it is.

the massacre of the indians was not the worst genocide the world has ever seen, but it definitely ranks up there

The Indians got a bad deal.

Isn't thanks giving in the U.S, the same as Christmas here. A day people just save to try and get together with family?

I don't see why that's a bad thing, whatever its history.

You're an idiot, there's not a person of normal intelligence who doesn't know that the Native Indians were fucked over. Where do we learn this from? Books, movies, television programs. There's a time for kids to learn about that and it's not in the first grade.

And do you think this only happened in America? Look north, Canada, many of the same Indian nations were north of the 49th parallel. Canadian settlers took their land too and treated them like savages, set up reservations for them to live and die on. Every country on this planet with aboriginal people that was settled by Europeans has the same blood on its hands.

We are talking hundreds of years ago, I don't know how people think there was a better option. We should have come to these vastly undeveloped massively under populated continents and upon seeing there were natives already living there said 'Oh sorry, we didn't know there was anybody here, we apologize for intruding, we shall be going now. Toodles' and gotten back on their ships and never returned? That's ridiculous. So what could we have done? Negotiate with them? Lots of that was done, the island of Manhattan was bought for 24 dollars and some other crap. Bleeding heart liberals are ridiculous people - there view of history is as idiotic as the Thanksgiving story told to 6 year olds, except they try to force their views on adults, educated adults. The Native Indian tribes weren't just these peaceful hunter gathering spiritual cultures the bleeding hearts romanticize about. They were killing each other. To Europeans of the time they were savages just like the bush people of Africa - if you were European a few hundred years ago you'd think they were savages too. So if these new lands were to be settled at all, bloodshed was inevitable, it went both ways.

As far as the millions of Native Americans who died from plagues of diseases. Horrible as it is was it's not like the settlers planned that, it wasn't biological warfare, millions of the European settlers also died from them. Diseases like smallpox had been in Europe for hundreds of years, Europeans had built up some immunities to them. The Indians had never encountered these diseases, had no immunity to them and they wiped them out.

It's a sad tragic story but it's not reasonable to believe it could have been much different.

One neat thing I never knew until a few years ago - horses, so much apart of all the movies we see about the settling of America, Indians on horseback. i always thought horses were indigenous to North America, that American Indians always had horses. They weren't indigenous animals, the Europeans brought horses from Europe. Horses would escape and they bred and spread like crazy in the wild.

And for all the injustices and violence suffered there were many instances of the Indians and white man cooperating. Indians fought along side white men in every war fought on North American soil, most notably the American Civil War.

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Good post Mutt.

I also don't know anyone who celebrates Thanksgiving as a day to pay homage to the pilgrims. Thanksgiving to most Amaericans is a day to get together with friends and family, and realize what there is to be thankful for in our lives.

For all of you who live in the US and think the Indians got a raw deal and you feel so bad about it, maybe you should just kill yourself. After all you're on their land.

Wars are fought for many reasons, land being one of them. One side wins one side loses.

You're killing my turkey high dude. Sigh.

At least the Indians have casinos and are banking now. I don't see too many Pilgrim casinos around. There's a guy here in Tampa that collects a $20,000 a month check from the Seminole tribe just for being 1/4 Seminole. And he could give a fuck less how many of his "tribe" were massacred. Give a black man a check for $10,000 a month and I'll bet he'll never mention the word, "SLAVERY" ever again. Hell, he probably won't even call anyone racist either.

If you look at how fucked up the past is as a whole, we wouldn't have anything to celebrate. Deal with it and revisionist history is here to stay. Either enjoy your turkey or have a warm glass of shut the fuck up.

It's kind of funny that some adults still think that Thanksgiving is an observation of the "First Thanksgiving" with pilgrims and Native Americans feasting together - that's the overly simplified version we tell the children until they're old enough to grasp the true meaning.

Although the history of a "day of thanks" does go back considerably further, it was Lincoln who proposed a National "Thanksgiving Day" - arguably in the hope that it would lead to a faster resolution of the Civil War.

Don't forget your smallpox laced blankets... :(

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OMG AMERICA SLAUGHTERED NATIVE AMERICANS!

So? What is the point of saying something everyone already knows? What purpose does it serve? DON'T CELEBRATE A DAY WITH YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE THE HISTORY OF IT HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO IS BAD! Really? Gee, thanks.

by posting stuff that only children aren't aware of they feel empowered and develop a false sense of intelligence. Just smile and nod like you would a 7 year old talking about politics ;)

Fiddy kiddies.

Maybe you just didn't pay attention, what you posted is common knowledge. :2 cents:

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