Pirates Are Not Thieves
 

According to pirates when they download content and proffit from it, it is not theft as the content owner still has the original file, They have not taken anything, all they have done is copied the file from a source.
They also say its different to walking into somebodys shop and stealing, because a theif will actually take some thing from the owner which he no longer has, after the thief has taken it, to them that is theft and not taking a copy from somebody elses work. Thieves and Pirates are different apparently :Oh crap

Fuck them then...

It's the same old chestnut they roll out again and again. It's simplistic, naive and self serving. In their world it's perfectly ok for only one person to buy a music album and then share it with everyone else who wants the album because it's not really theft to do so.

who cares? copying old vhs tapes and distributing them was illegal since the 80's. this is no different.

Sounds legit.

Go fuck yourself.

:2 cents::thumbsup

Stop trolling..

I don't know when to agree with you...

Thievery is not limited to stealing a physical item. Thievery (and piracy) can also be stealing the potential earning revenue of an item such as video or photography.

To that end - they are synonymous.

I might still have the file when thief leave with a copy. thats not the issue.
Its a digital product, I'm always gonna have the product regardless of amount of sales.
The issue is the customer that gets to enjoy it without paying.

I had the chance to sell it to him, but he decided to steal it. sale gone. forever. (i got the copy)
how about i take his money, without giving him a copy. money gone forever. (get a pre bank statement)

See it like this, they are stealing the energy that you put into making your product. He does not pay back with energy he spent making money to buy the product, he just takes it and the rule of equivalent exchange of energy is broken.

The fact that they are copying the item will be moot if you look at it that way.

yeah there is no such thing as copyright or patent theft.

It is like saying there is a beautiful piece of valuable artwork that can only be found inside an art gallery located on such and such street in a certain city. People need to pay a fee to go inside the art gallery. Do you really think the art can only be seen inside that art gallery? Other people will say, “take a look at my imitations, copies, prints, scans, similar drawings, caricatures, etc.” Other people can’t make their own gallery and say, “pay price for my gallery to see that artwork.” However the content was created – they have to deal with the selling rights. Probably, the world would be better if they steal less. The makers of the content are worried about this. A person can buy a music album and share it with someone else. That is different. Creating “text content” is also interesting. It is like talking about plagiarism. How much of the text is in their own words?

first of all, that is not true. quite the opposite.
do u think, if piracy went away tomorrow, that the current generation born and raised on free porn suddenly go "back" to jacking off to lingerie mags etc like back in the day? dads playboy stash.... no, they would go mental and pay whatever it took to get their fix.

second of all, i dont give a fuuuuuuuck if the pirate would never pay anyway. as long as he enjoys my product, i wanna get paid.

They twist their argument to compare something like a pair of sneakers to entertainment that goes into their ear/eye holes. It's not even a valid comparison. When you buy music, the value isn't in the physical product.

These same idiots who make this argument would also download a pair of sneakers for free if it was possible, and make up another self-serving rationale.

This is the same old argument they always make in order to justify what they are doing. It doesn't change the fact that the pirate ends up with a copy of the product that they didn't pay for.

Another pirate favorite is that they aren't distributing the item because when the seed a torrent because they are only giving people a small portion of the file and other people are giving them the rest. It is kind of like saying you aren't guilty of robbing the bank if you drove the robber to the bank then drove them home after they robbed it. Sure, you didn't personally go inside and take the money, but you were sure as hell involved in the crime.

It's not entirely true, but it's true to a significant extent. And far from being the opposite, it's a well established fact that people who experience, for example, music via piracy may go on to buy that music or other music from the same people, which they would not have done if they had not heard them via piracy first. Or they may watch a pirated movie, and enjoy it enough to then pay to see it in the cinema. It's exactly the same principle behind free samples.

You may as well say if crime went away tomorrow every person would be a law abiding citizen.

The only way piracy would go away is if people didn't want to pirate any more. Self evidently if people don't pirate, it means they're be happy to buy the product. Piracy won't go away tomorrow, just as it exists today, precisely because it's a symptom of not wanting to buy.

Theft is a cost of doing business. Always has been and always will be.

Look at it this way:

Copying and printing money is neither thievery. But by doing so, the more amount of money on the markets will reduce the value of the original currency. The ones who worked for their money will get less for their work, and the ones who copied it, did it by scam... not work.

If it was physical thievery of money, you have the opportunity to take your stolen money back and thereby there will be much less economic damage than a situation with copies out of control. Physical thievery will also not affect the total amount on the markets.

So, copying has the potential to generate much more economic damage than thievery, and that's why copying and printing money is punished hard by laws.

two plus two is four

Unauthorized dilution of property rights is stealing.

Fuck the pirates and put them in jail.

Am I a Pirate if I copy music playing off my radio... and then replay it.

It would depend on the context in which you are "replaying" and/or redistributing without permission.

I believe the FBI and US Gov calls it unauthorized duplication and distribution. Its what Fabian and Simon and all the fucks do.

Exactly right. The copying of the product leaves the creator of it without the income that would have been derived from its sale. So what's been stolen is money, a tangible and real asset. Stealing money is even worse in the eyes of society, where shoplifting is a petty crime, but taking money from the cash box is a felony.

Digital copies for sale represent goods for cash. Take the digital copy without paying, and the owner may still be able to make more copies. But he cannot recover the specific money that was due in exchange for the lost copy. If I am selling a car, and the car is stolen before I find a buyer, what I've been deprived of was the income I would have gotten from that car. The actual item for sale is immaterial.

It's not true that all pirates wouldn't have purchased anyway. If something is desirable enough to be taken, there are those who would pay for it.

'nuff said. :thumbsup

The only reason they wont buy it is because there ARE pirated items.

If a surfer does not know about TUbes before...

:1orglaugh

can you tie your own shoes?

of course not, they're pirates

AND WHO PROFITS?!

Western Digital and Seagate.

What ?

You're justifying piracy as "free samples" ? Who gave you, or people like you, the right to decide that you can have a free sample of anything ?



That's another pro piracy chestnut, read it all the time in the comments on anti piracy blogs and articles on sites like Torrent Freak.



And more pro piracy chestnuts. Poorly thought out, simplistic and selfish views shared by all those who believe piracy is ok.

How about you come clean, do you support piracy ?

Jesus Christ. Learn. To. Fucking. Read. I swear your anti-piracy obsession is making you dumber with every post. I said it's the same principle behind free samples. Meaning free samples, or 'freemium', encourages people to pay for the product.

How was that a "pro-piracy chestnut"? Do you even read what you're replying to, or do you just come out with this shit automatically now, without even thinking? Show me one site where someone has said that.

And yet you can't rebut, or even specifically address, any of it.

How about you tell me at which point in my life I had to start answering to you?

Point made, you'd do well in the TorrentFreak comments section, heterskelter808, there's many people there who share your views.

how come people who cant afford something, somehow think they are yet entitled to it and use that to justify their stealing.

if u cant afford windows, get linux. if u cant afford photoshop, get gimp. if u cant afford vmware, get virtualbox, if u cant afford a ferrari, get a fiat.

also, NO pro piracy advocate is a virtual content producer. none what so ever.
prove me wrong, because i would not mind having that guys content and make money off of it/give it away for free.

Hell Yeah. There would be a huge rush to pay porn.

"once you start jacking off to japanese girls puking in each others mouth, you can?t exactly go back to playboy." Randy Marsh

The problem is, and always will been that "The General Public" - ie. Not you/me don't know they are doing anything wrong.

I like putting my mum in front of the computer and seeing what she sees. Its an eye opener.

I taught her well - She can Google anything.

If she sees a film she wants available to download she downloads it - She pays her bills every month - Whats the problem?

That's how she sees it - I pay X amount every month for the internet and this is what I pay for.

The solutions are - Persuade people like my mum that although she pays for her internet its not a free for all (good luck with that) or Work out another way to monetize your product.

The best solution is to remove illegitimate methods of download.

How many people there share your position that piracy is an opportunity to make money?

And no so called "anti-piracy" advocate has clean hands when it comes to piracy. None whatsoever.

Not always true.

Some pirates will actually buy products that they use often or think is worth the price.
They will also tell their friends about the product.

Most people that don't pirate will purchase the product even if there is a pirated version available.

Piracy will always exist.

Overall, piracy has more of a positive effect on sales than negative.
More people knowing about your product. More people using your product.

If you're worried about piracy affecting your sales, then your product probably sucks.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

So we have to call them Robin Hood`s ???

No. I prefer "thieving little cunts".

smart...

Just thinking of pirate porn? Anyone have any?

.45 hollow point should solve them heh

Commercial Piracy is rampant, criminal operations like the Simon Leht/Simon Key/Simon Vega piracy ring only exist because of the profit motive.

helterskelter808, your pro-piracy stance is now clearly a matter of record. You keep running off all the little chestnuts that your pro-piracy buddies spew day in day out.

This is rubbish and proven so many times over.

Commercial piracy accounts for losses to the economy of billions of dollars every year.