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NETbilling

11-07-2012 10:11 AM

How was Romney the best?

I am no political expert but I do know that personally Obama's tax policies screw me and are not good for NETbilling either. However, Mitt was such a tool and a flip flopper and I disagreed with so much he had on the agenda that I just couldn't vote for him. Why was he the best the republicans had?

Mitch

MattPornerBros

11-07-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 19300208)

Did you watch the primary's? He was the best / the only person to not burn up and sink his own campaign

KillerK

11-07-2012 10:52 AM

Calfornia fucked you harder man

enjoy 3%+ more in taxes plus more sales tax.

RKLover

11-07-2012 11:03 AM

History suggests it is very difficult to beat a sitting President. I believe the smart Republicans decided to wait until 2016. Hell, I was willing to bet that Chris Christie's entire family voted Obama so he could run for President in 2016 instead of 2020.

Then again, I though those same Republicans ducked out in 2012 because they thought Hillary would tear them up. I bet they were as surprised as I was when Obama beat her in the Primaries.

The ones who opposed Mitt in the primaries could not use Bain Capital against him, it would have made them appear anti-business.

They could not use his opposition to the Auto Industry Bailout because they opposed it too.

They could not use his $87,000 medical deduction for a horse, because he had not released his taxes.
In the Primaries, Mitt stayed on message, was very conservative, provided very few details in order to win the South. Or as the Republicans call it, "the least informed voters".

Mitt also beat the heck out of his Primary opponents with personal attacks. And Mitt had big Super-PAC $$$ going into negative ads against his opponents

Staying on message really came back to hurt him in the election when he tried to flip to the center to try and win over Independents and Democrats. It destroyed any credibility he might have had - which was very little thanks to his resistance to releasing his taxes.

The Romney campaign also failed to understand the Undecided / Independent Voters in the Swing States. They are mostly ex-Republicans, thanks to Dubya. Romney's people thought if they won a majority of that group, it would signal a victory. But the Independents, while mostly voting Romney turned out to be a net loss.

And his opposition to the Auto Bailout killed him in Ohio.

P.S. I am registered as an Independent voter.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE

11-07-2012 11:04 AM

I'm just happy to see the outcome is this this time and not that of last time.

clickhappy

11-07-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MattPornerBros (Post 19300215)

Did you watch the primary's? He was the best / the only person to not burn up and sink his own campaign

Exactly.
Romney had BY FAR the best chance to win it. The rest was a bizarre group of unelectable of candidates.

Newt Gingrich = Dumped is wife who had cancer, cheated on the other wives (plural). Women hate him.
Michelle Bachman = Shithead with a smile. All fluff and no substance. And an embarassing effeminate husband who is "anti gay", right.
Herman Cain = Seen as a sleazy womanizer who couldn't get away from those charges. Women wouldn't vote for him.
Rick Santorum = Whiny. Church & bigotry was his only platform.
Rick Perry = Not polished enough for world stage, often made big blunders right on stage. Seen as Texan racist (His house is called Ni**erhead?)
Ron Paul = Lots of support but seen as a wimpy whiny old grandpa who flails his wrist while talking. No power in his voice to motivate an army of people.

All of them would have lost by a complete wipeout landslide

Romney was their best chance.

NETbilling

11-07-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RKLover (Post 19300319)

History suggests it is very difficult to beat a sitting President. I believe the smart Republicans decided to wait until 2016. Hell, I was willing to bet that Chris Christie's entire family voted Obama so he could run for President in 2016 instead of 2020.

Then again, I though those same Republicans ducked out in 2012 because they thought Hillary would tear them up. I bet they were as surprised as I was when Obama beat her in the Primaries.

The ones who opposed Mitt in the primaries could not use Bain Capital against him, it would have made them appear anti-business.

They could not use his opposition to the Auto Industry Bailout because they opposed it too.

They could not use his $87,000 medical deduction for a horse, because he had not released his taxes.
In the Primaries, Mitt stayed on message, was very conservative, provided very few details in order to win the South. Or as the Republicans call it, "the least informed voters".

Mitt also beat the heck out of his Primary opponents with personal attacks. And Mitt had big Super-PAC $$$ going into negative ads against his opponents

Staying on message really came back to hurt him in the election when he tried to flip to the center to try and win over Independents and Democrats. It destroyed any credibility he might have had - which was very little thanks to his resistance to releasing his taxes.

The Romney campaign also failed to understand the Undecided / Independent Voters in the Swing States. They are mostly ex-Republicans, thanks to Dubya. Romney's people thought if they won a majority of that group, it would signal a victory. But the Independents, while mostly voting Romney turned out to be a net loss.

And his opposition to the Auto Bailout killed him in Ohio.

P.S. I am registered as an Independent voter.

Makes sense for sure

NETbilling

11-07-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 19300357)

Exactly.
Romney had BY FAR the best chance to win it. The rest was a bizarre group of unelectable of candidates.

Newt Gingrich = Dumped is wife who had cancer, cheated on the other wives (plural). Women hate him.
Michelle Bachman = Shithead with a smile. All fluff and no substance. And an embarassing effeminate husband who is "anti gay", right.
Herman Cain = Seen as a sleazy womanizer who couldn't get away from those charges. Women wouldn't vote for him.
Rick Santorum = Whiny. Church & bigotry was his only platform.
Rick Perry = Not polished enough for world stage, seen as Texan racist (Ni**erhead)
Ron Paul = Lots of support but seen as a wimpy whiny old grandpa who flails his wrist while talking. No power to move people.

All of them would have lost by a complete wipeout landslide

Romney was their best chance.

So how is this + Mitt the best they could come up with?

LAJ	11-07-2012 11:25 AM

Funny thing is a year ago his own party didn't give a shit about him and most republicans weren't "ready" to vote for a mormon. But he flip flopped enough (and so did they) therefore making him the best choice.

MaDalton

11-07-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MattPornerBros (Post 19300215)

Did you watch the primary's? He was the best / the only person to not burn up and sink his own campaign

i think the problem is nowadays that you have to be a borderline psychopath to get through the republican primaries. someone sensible like Jon Huntsman doesnt have a chance anymore in his own party - but would have a chance in a general election (IMHO)

i read this: http://www.ontheissues.org/Jon_Huntsman.htm and can agree with a lot on there. But no way the tea party would let him run

i would say: the lunatics hold the republican party hostage and ruin the US

(just my euro pov)

MediumPimpin

11-07-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19300375)

I voted for Obama both times, but I would have been undecided if Jon Huntsman was the other pick.

clickhappy

11-07-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 19300364)

So how is this + Mitt the best they could come up with?

Had this conversation with a friend yesterday. If I were smart enough to run for president, no fucking way would I run for president, and be the most scrutinized person on the planet.
Someone constantly on tv/facebook/youtube/interviews/twitter ripping you apart no matter what you do.

Fuck that. If I had those skills Id rather run a company for $15million a year than be hated by millions and millions for $400k a year.

clickhappy

11-07-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19300375)

i would say: the lunatics hold the republican party hostage and ruin the US

You should read Free Republic today. The super right religious conservative republicans are going apeshit.
Every other post is fag, dyke, ni***r, sodomite, lol, They are reeling from shock!
The country is changing, rich white men and the good-ol-boys are losing their power. They now will have to (hold their nose and) embrace minorities in order to start winning again.

lol, love it.

Wow mary jane, same sex marriage. never would have seen this 15 years ago.

seeric

11-07-2012 11:44 AM

Hey Mitch,

I've had this exact conversation with many people over the last few months. The current Republican party is so far out of touch with what the country has become over the last 10-15 years that they will have an even tougher time taking the White House back in 2016 if they don't make some drastic moves. They need a complete overhaul.

You could see it in every aspect up to and most visible during the results. They're completely out of touch with the parts of the country that matter in the election. Looking around the Obama gatherings you could see vast diversity and a very, very young showing. People are united in the Democratic voter base. The Republicans lack that to this day. They're fragmented. Looking around the Republican gatherings, all you see is that old establishment. Old white guys, rich people, mid-westerners, cowboy hats. The Internet and social media ages have brought together a whole new lifestyle that the Republicans do not understand. They are old money, with old, scary policies. Mitt Romney scared the shit out of the people who are critical mass in the country.

They need to be recreated if they want the White House back. I wanted to vote Republican, but no way in hell was I going to vote for that conservative, greedy, flip flopping, mormon goofball. The Republican party has no one right now that could be POTUS in 2016. The Dems have several that could be POTUS.

They better get on it, or this base grows and they get more out of touch over the next 4 years. The same shit isn't going to work any more for them.

:2cents

MaDalton

11-07-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 19300402)

i just deleted a "model" (better: broke stripper) from my business FB account cause she was writing about how that ni**er being reelected makes her furious.

next post was that she needs to pay her rent and if someone can book her today for a gig

i wonder if she accepts dollar bills from black customers...

seeric

11-07-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 19300290)

Calfornia fucked you harder man

enjoy 3%+ more in taxes plus more sales tax.

All of those initiatives failed except 1. No new taxes that I saw. Can you post the one you think raises taxes 3%?

Thanks.

HelmutKohl

11-07-2012 11:52 AM

Mitch, at least all of your clients will stay out of prison. Otherwise Mormon President would prosecute the adult industry. Webmasters in prison= no good for your business.

GOP thanks a lot for picking the biggest weirdo on this planet!!!!:thumbsup

Relentless

11-07-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19300375)

EXACTLY.

Bloomberg, Christie, Rubio etc wont even run.
Look at who lost to Romney....

Bachman = Crazy
Santorum = Religious Zealot
Gingrich = Proven Habitual Liar
Cain = Self Promoter Trying To Sell Books
Perry = IQ in the low 90s

The GOP primary is little league.
So you had a little league champ (Romney) against a terrible NFL team (Obama)
The worst NFL team will always beat the best twelve year olds...

Rochard

11-07-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 19300208)

At the end of the day it was a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Our country is pretty bad off right now - unemployment, deficit, people on welfare... Yet Romney was the best they had to offer? I guess it was better than that Herman Cain idiot and much better than that crazy woman.

MattPornerBros

11-07-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 19300364)

So how is this + Mitt the best they could come up with?

What are you going to run then? They wanted Chris, but he didn't want to run against Obama, You can't force someone to run.

MattPornerBros

11-07-2012 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19300375)

Even Ron Paul is sensible and IMO better than anyone else. But candidates with integrity of any kind won't appeal to the moron base and win the nomination. By refusing to go far right many people have little chance to win.

MattPornerBros

11-07-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19300480)

Well if they don't get it together soon, only more sensible kids will keep graduating and voting Democratic and old Republicans will continue to die. If they don't move more center they might be in trouble for a while.

Hillary will probably run in 2016 so there is a big woman vote unless Republicans can counter somehow.

I think Chris Christy is a fantastic candidate (as does probably everyone else)

clickhappy

11-07-2012 01:51 PM

This republican strategist explains it perfectly
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/49720730#49720730
Theyre going to have to be more socially liberal if they want to start winning again. And actually treat women and gay people like humans, lolololol

epitome

11-07-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 19300208)

Thank you for having common sense. It doesn't all come down to money. Surprised how few get it.

That and I don't think there would have been much of an improvement under Romney anyway. Money would have just been spent differently.

epitome

11-07-2012 02:06 PM

As far as I am aware, the wealthiest people I know on a personal level - with the exception of one - was an Obama supporter.

Even the one who voted Romney is extremely left on social issues (for gay marriage, etc) but was hoping Romney would stay center if he won. As a retired executive with nothing but capital gains income he is worried about that going up from 15% back to the old rate.

NETbilling

11-07-2012 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 19300409)

My sentiments exactly.

NETbilling

11-07-2012 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19300656)

You're welcome. My wallet will suffer a bit but Obama is better for the country overall I believe. If we can just get them to all work better together and make policies that benefit the majority.

baddog

11-07-2012 06:37 PM

The other qualified Republicans did not want to take the pay cut.

wehateporn

11-07-2012 06:40 PM

The thing I liked about Romney is the way his events would always have plenty of spare seats. Overcrowding and noise are not good, as Ron Paul discovered.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/m...on%20paul.jpeg

GrantMercury

11-08-2012 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 19300208)

...Mitt was such a tool and a flip flopper and I disagreed with so much he had on the agenda that I just couldn't vote for him. Why was he the best the republicans had?

Because the GOP really has nothing but teabagging, science-denying, crooks and bastards left in the party. Remember the primary? They wanted ANYONE other than Mittens. Michelle Bachman....then...Herman Caine...then...Rick Santorum...then Newt Gingrich...each week it was someone different... Mitt was the only one left that had even a shot at electability. And he sucked. There were no huge, obvious scandals, and he was rich, white, and good looking. They had to go with him.

They've got nothing.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/851957/thu...MNEY-570.jpg?4

Black All Through

11-08-2012 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19301799)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

kane	11-08-2012 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKLover (Post 19300319)

History suggests it is very difficult to beat a sitting President. I believe the smart Republicans decided to wait until 2016. Hell, I was willing to bet that Chris Christie's entire family voted Obama so he could run for President in 2016 instead of 2020.

Then again, I though those same Republicans ducked out in 2012 because they thought Hillary would tear them up. I bet they were as surprised as I was when Obama beat her in the Primaries.

The ones who opposed Mitt in the primaries could not use Bain Capital against him, it would have made them appear anti-business.

They could not use his opposition to the Auto Industry Bailout because they opposed it too.

They could not use his $87,000 medical deduction for a horse, because he had not released his taxes.
In the Primaries, Mitt stayed on message, was very conservative, provided very few details in order to win the South. Or as the Republicans call it, "the least informed voters".

Mitt also beat the heck out of his Primary opponents with personal attacks. And Mitt had big Super-PAC $$$ going into negative ads against his opponents

Staying on message really came back to hurt him in the election when he tried to flip to the center to try and win over Independents and Democrats. It destroyed any credibility he might have had - which was very little thanks to his resistance to releasing his taxes.

The Romney campaign also failed to understand the Undecided / Independent Voters in the Swing States. They are mostly ex-Republicans, thanks to Dubya. Romney's people thought if they won a majority of that group, it would signal a victory. But the Independents, while mostly voting Romney turned out to be a net loss.

And his opposition to the Auto Bailout killed him in Ohio.

P.S. I am registered as an Independent voter.

I agree with most of this, but opponents in the primaries blistered his ass on Bain. The Daily Show just did a big people on why Romney lost and they showed at least half a dozen clips of various primary opponents going after Romney for gutting companies with what they called, "Vulture Capitalism"

In the end Romney made the fewest mistakes and the other candidates were all fatally flawed. You can only conceal batshit crazy for a short period of time. Eventually it leaks out and everyone sees it. That is what happened here. His opponents were all batshit crazy in one way or another and eventually the public saw it for themelves. Eventually Mitt was the least shitty of the shitty options.

kane	11-08-2012 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MattPornerBros (Post 19300560)

The republican trouble with women runs deeps and could only get deeper. Republicans will always be pro-life and that is fine. There are plenty of pro-life women. What we saw in this election cycle is that many republicans seem to be anti-contraception for women and just a basic attitude towards women that their job is produce the babies, cook the food and keep quiet. It isn't 1950 and that attitude won't cut it anymore.

I remember not too long ago seeing an interview with some high ranking republican (I can't remember who it was) and he was asked if insurance companies should be forced to pay for women's birth control. He said no because having sex is a choice not a symptom. When he was then asked if they should have to pay for Viagra he said yes. When asked why he felt that way he said Viagra actually fixes a problem, never mind that the problem only comes around if you make a choice. That kind of thinking makes them look out of touch.

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